Horror Movie Talk https://www.horrormovietalk.com An opinionated and accidentally funny horror movie review show. Your schlubby hosts each week are Bryce Hanson the cool, collected nihilist, and David Day, an angry man who is always right. New theatrical releases always get priority, but we also review older horror movies both good and horror-ble. Wed, 22 Jan 2020 17:45:38 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.3.2 Two shlubs sit and talk about horror movies that are in theaters, streaming, old classics, and flicks so bad they're good. Bryce Hanson and David Day yes episodic Bryce Hanson and David Day brycestevenhanson@gmail.com brycestevenhanson@gmail.com (Bryce Hanson and David Day) ©2018 Bryce Hanson - Horror Movie Talk A Horror Movie Podcast Horror Movie Talk https://www.horrormovietalk.com/wp-content/uploads/powerpress/Horror_Movie_Talk.jpeg https://www.horrormovietalk.com TV-MA Vancouver, WA Weekly Crawl Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2020/01/22/crawl-review/ Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:01:00 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3636 Our patrons voted for this week’s movie review, and they selected Crawl. This was a movie we let slip by us when it was in theaters. However, now we know, you don’t just slip by gators, they will look for you, they will find you, and they will kill you. Intro - (0:27)Trailer - (7:27) Synopsis - (10:55) Review - (12:01) Score - (16:00) Spoilers - (25:43) Final Recommendations - (53:39) Taglines - (54:54) It Came From Social Media - (1:00:08) Outro - (1:20:50) @dgoebel00 on instagram provided this amazing artwork. Follow him and check out his website. Crawl Trailer https://youtu.be/H6MLJG0RdDE Crawl can is available for rent or purchase on your favorite video platform. Synopsis The movie follows Floridian Haley (Kaya Scodelario), a competitive swimmer that goes to check on her father before a category 5 hurricane hits. She discovers that her father Dave (Barry Pepper) is in the CRAWL space below his house with a broken leg from an alligator attack. She finds out quickly that there are not one, but two hyper-aggressive gators that will stop at nothing to kill them both. What proceeds is a game of gator and mouse where they try to escape the gators in a labyrinthian and increasingly flooded crawlspace. Crawl Poster My Review This movie has a simple set up and delivers exactly what you would want out of it: ridiculous gator action. Before coming to Dave's crawlspace, these gators must have stopped by Tony Montana’s and consumed the mountain of coke on his desk. These gators are ridiculously aggressive. The two main characters are constantly in danger, but are protected by the most powerful substance known to man… plot armor. So for an hour and a half, as we watch them try to outsmart the gators to accomplish the impossible task of… you know crawl a couple feet to the stairs, we are introduced to a steady stream of possible saviors who are immediately attacked and torn apart by ravenous gators. Oil me up daddy, it's dinner time, and I'm a little soup-boy. Chompa. Chompa. I’ve said it before. I’m not a huge fan of monster movies. But I can appreciate the ones that are done well. This is one of those. The situation is creative, the pacing of the plot is great. Even the tension is high throughout the movie because of the rising water. It really is a great device to move the plot forward. There is also a decent amount of character development between Haley and her father.  If all that bores you and you are only coming for alligator attacks, you will not be disappointed. Everything from just plain gator bites to being completely drawn and quartered by a congregation of gators is covered. Getting Drawn and Quartered by Gators Overall it’s a really well written and executed creature feature that maintains tension, has the proper amount of ridiculous action, and doesn’t overstay its welcome. Score for Crawl 7/10 Crawl (2019)Add Crawl to your collectionBuy on Amazon Spoilers Expand for spoilers The Good CGI The CGI is really good in this movie. The alligators looked very real. The only thing that would tip you off that they are CGI alligators is that there are certain lunges and movements that a real gator couldn't pull off in real life. However, these moments are used to great effect, since there is a shocking and creepy factor that comes with them. Water Induced Tension The water rising as a tension building device is fantastic. It almost acts as a meter for their peril. As the movie goes on, the rate of the water rising increases. By the half point of the film, the crawlspace is about halfway filled with water. As the film speeds towards it's conclusion, the levee breaks, and all of a sudden, the water reaches the second floor in minutes. https://youtu.be/uwiTs60VoTM Character Development I don't expect much from Character development, but this movie checks enough boxes for me to say that it has a decent amount. Our patrons voted for this week’s movie review, and they selected Crawl. This was a movie we let slip by us when it was in theaters. However, now we know, you don’t just slip by gators, they will look for you, they will find you, and they will kill you.

  • Intro – (0:27)
  • Trailer – (7:27)
  • Synopsis – (10:55)
  • Review – (12:01)
  • Score – (16:00)
  • Spoilers – (25:43)
  • Final Recommendations – (53:39)
  • Taglines – (54:54)
  • It Came From Social Media – (1:00:08)
  • Outro – (1:20:50)
Crawl Chompa Chompa Featured Image
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Crawl Trailer

https://youtu.be/H6MLJG0RdDE

Crawl can is available for rent or purchase on your favorite video platform.

Synopsis

The movie follows Floridian Haley (Kaya Scodelario), a competitive swimmer that goes to check on her father before a category 5 hurricane hits. She discovers that her father Dave (Barry Pepper) is in the CRAWL space below his house with a broken leg from an alligator attack. She finds out quickly that there are not one, but two hyper-aggressive gators that will stop at nothing to kill them both. What proceeds is a game of gator and mouse where they try to escape the gators in a labyrinthian and increasingly flooded crawlspace.

Crawl Poster

My Review

This movie has a simple set up and delivers exactly what you would want out of it: ridiculous gator action.

Before coming to Dave’s crawlspace, these gators must have stopped by Tony Montana’s and consumed the mountain of coke on his desk. These gators are ridiculously aggressive.

The two main characters are constantly in danger, but are protected by the most powerful substance known to man… plot armor. So for an hour and a half, as we watch them try to outsmart the gators to accomplish the impossible task of… you know crawl a couple feet to the stairs, we are introduced to a steady stream of possible saviors who are immediately attacked and torn apart by ravenous gators.

Oil me up daddy, it’s dinner time, and I’m a little soup-boy. Chompa. Chompa.

I’ve said it before. I’m not a huge fan of monster movies. But I can appreciate the ones that are done well. This is one of those.

The situation is creative, the pacing of the plot is great. Even the tension is high throughout the movie because of the rising water. It really is a great device to move the plot forward. There is also a decent amount of character development between Haley and her father. 

If all that bores you and you are only coming for alligator attacks, you will not be disappointed. Everything from just plain gator bites to being completely drawn and quartered by a congregation of gators is covered.

Getting Drawn and Quartered by Gators

Overall it’s a really well written and executed creature feature that maintains tension, has the proper amount of ridiculous action, and doesn’t overstay its welcome.

Score for Crawl

7/10

Crawl (2019)

Add Crawl to your collection

Spoilers

Expand for spoilers

The Good

CGI

The CGI is really good in this movie. The alligators looked very real. The only thing that would tip you off that they are CGI alligators is that there are certain lunges and movements that a real gator couldn’t pull off in real life. However, these moments are used to great effect, since there is a shocking and creepy factor that comes with them.

Water Induced Tension

The water rising as a tension building device is fantastic. It almost acts as a meter for their peril. As the movie goes on, the rate of the water rising increases. By the half point of the film, the crawlspace is about halfway filled with water. As the film speeds towards it’s conclusion, the levee breaks, and all of a sudden, the water reaches the second floor in minutes.

https://youtu.be/uwiTs60VoTM

Character Development

I don’t expect much from Character development, but this movie checks enough boxes for me to say that it has a decent amount. The relationships within the film feel real, and the audience is allowed to establish empathy with the characters. Which, in turn, gets the audience to actually care whether or not they get eaten. Last weeks film, Underwater, failed in this regard.

Gator Action

Alligators bite people. What more do you want?

The Bad

There isn’t a lot to complain about with this film. The only minor complaint is that it suffers from the “bitch-get-out-tha-house” syndrome. This is where the protagonists fail to make very simple and obvious decisions that will get them to safety. This is a common trope in horror movies, and is really a foundational element in a lot of ways. So overall, there isn’t much to dislike about Crawl.

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Our patrons voted for this week’s movie review, and they selected Crawl. This was a movie we let slip by us when it was in theaters. However, now we know, you don’t just slip by gators, they will look for you, they will find you, Our patrons voted for this week’s movie review, and they selected Crawl. This was a movie we let slip by us when it was in theaters. However, now we know, you don’t just slip by gators, they will look for you, they will find you, and they will kill you.







* Intro - (0:27)* Trailer - (7:27) * Synopsis - (10:55) * Review - (12:01) * Score - (16:00) * Spoilers - (25:43) * Final Recommendations - (53:39) * Taglines - (54:54) * It Came From Social Media - (1:00:08) * Outro - (1:20:50)



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Crawl Trailer




https://youtu.be/H6MLJG0RdDE




Crawl can is available for rent or purchase on your favorite video platform.



Synopsis



The movie follows Floridian Haley (Kaya Scodelario), a competitive swimmer that goes to check on her father before a category 5 hurricane hits. She discovers that her father Dave (Barry Pepper) is in the CRAWL space below his house with a broken leg from an alligator attack. She finds out quickly that there are not one, but two hyper-aggressive gators that will stop at nothing to kill them both. What proceeds is a game of gator and mouse where they try to escape the gators in a labyrinthian and increasingly flooded crawlspace.



Crawl Poster



My Review



This movie has a simple set up and delivers exactly what you would want out of it: ridiculous gator action.



Before coming to Dave's crawlspace, these gators must have stopped by Tony Montana’s and consumed the mountain of coke on his desk. These gators are ridiculously aggressive.



The two main characters are constantly in danger, but are protected by the most powerful substance known to man… plot armor. So for an hour and a half, as we watch them try to outsmart the gators to accomplish the impossible task of… you know crawl a couple feet to the stairs, we are introduced to a steady stream of possible saviors who are immediately attacked and torn apart by ravenous gators.



Oil me up daddy, it's dinner time, and I'm a little soup-boy. Chompa. Chompa.



I’ve said it before. I’m not a huge fan of monster movies. But I can appreciate the ones that are done well. This is one of those.



The situation is creative, the pacing of the plot is great. Even the tension is high throughout the movie because of the rising water. It really is a great device to move the plot forward. There is also a decent amount of character development between Haley and her father. 



If all that bores you and you are only coming for alligator attacks, you will not be disappointed. Everything from just plain gator bites to being completely drawn and quartered by a congregation of gators is covered.



Getting Drawn and Quartered by Gators



Overall it’s a really well written and executed creature feature that maintains tension, has the proper amount of ridiculous action, and doesn’t overstay its welcome.



Score for Crawl



7/10





https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3599 Underwater is in theaters right now and I did not expect much, which left me pleasantly surprised when I didn’t have a bad time. As far as underwater spooks and adventure go, Underwater is unique enough to hold my attention, but it doesn’t pull off anything amazing.  Dgoebel00 on instagram provided this amazing pic. Follow him for more great horror art. Also, check out his website. Skip to Intro - 0:40Skip to Trailer - 4:17Skip to Synopsis - 6:36Skip to Review - 8:39Skip to Score - 10:05Skip to Spoilers - 21:15Skip to Lifetime Movie or Horror Movie - 50:00 Skip to It Came From Social Media - 59:11Skip to Outro - 1:15:26 Underwater Synopsis Underwater stars Kristen Stewart as Norah, T.J. Miller as the unnamed goofball, and Vincent Cassel as the captain who looks just like my friend Brent. https://youtu.be/Rszr56AH3Co This is an incredibly simple story that starts with Kristen Stewart describing life  - underwater - in this massive - underwater - facility that is made to support a drilling operation at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, which of course, is - underwater.  After a few minutes the facility begins to implode, and our leading lady is forced to begin her - underwater - quest to escape.  Along the way she runs into a few friends who have miraculously survived the facility being torn to shred at this crushing depth. Once she meets up with the captain, they hatch a plan to escape but soon find themselves in over their heads! Feel the intense teeth-brushing action! Underwater Review Underwater is a by-the-books movie that reminded me of Sphere (1998) mixed with Aliens and The Abyss.  T.J Miller does exactly what you think he is going to do, and so does Kristen Stewart. In fact, all of the characters do the things you think they are going to do. Does that make it bad? No, just predictable. Pretty cool poster, if I do say so. I liked the monster design in this, which is saying something because I rarely enjoy monster design. Score for Underwater 6/10 Spoilers for Underwater Expand for Spoilers There isn't a whole lot to spoil in this movie. If you read my synopsis, you kind of get it. The monster(s) are really the x-factor and the interesting part of this movie, along with the journey to the bottom of the sea. Kids Piloting Multi-Trillion Dollar Drilling Rigs Ok, this is going to make me sound like a wet, old fart, but goddamnit I'm going to say it anyway. Twenty somethings are not who I would expect to be the focus of this movie. There's a freaking intern for Christ-sake! For another totally implausible underwater scenario, check out our review of The Meg https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2018/08/24/the-meg/ Haggard men in their thirties and forties are the key demo here, both in real life and in movies of old based on similar situations. Call me sexist, but it's true! Here is a list of movies that show remote places and bad situations for what they are - stinky and men-ridden: The ThingBlood DiamondAlienAliensAlien³ "But David, three of those movies have a female lead!" That's the exception that proves the rule. Apart from Aliens, Sigourney Weaver is almost the only female in the whole damn movie, and she looks as stinky and gross as the men she hangs with. I'm not sure where I'm going with this because to be honest, Underwater wouldn't be nearly as attractive without Stewart at the helm. So maybe I'll just swallow my vaguely sexist criticism and enjoy the kids piloting the world's most expensive/dangerous drilling project. The Monster(s) We are introduced to the monsters early and often, but rarely do we get a solid look at them until the very end, which I appreciate. We get to see fleeting quick glimpses of strange blurry hands and octo-faces darting around. Mostly we get to see the remains of others that the monsters leave behind. Eventually, at the crescendo, Underwater is in theaters right now and I did not expect much, which left me pleasantly surprised when I didn’t have a bad time. As far as underwater spooks and adventure go, Underwater is unique enough to hold my attention, but it doesn’t pull off anything amazing. 

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Underwater Synopsis

Underwater stars Kristen Stewart as Norah, T.J. Miller as the unnamed goofball, and Vincent Cassel as the captain who looks just like my friend
Brent.

https://youtu.be/Rszr56AH3Co

This is an
incredibly simple story that starts with Kristen Stewart describing life 
underwater – in this massive – underwater – facility that is made to support a drilling operation at the
bottom of the Mariana Trench, which of course, is – underwater

After a few
minutes the facility begins to implode, and our leading lady is forced to begin
her – underwater – quest to escape. 

Along the
way she runs into a few friends who have miraculously survived the facility
being torn to shred at this crushing depth. Once she meets up with the captain,
they hatch a plan to escape but soon find themselves in over their heads!

Kristen Stewart Underwater brushing teeth
Feel the intense teeth-brushing action!

Underwater Review

Underwater is a by-the-books movie that reminded me of Sphere (1998) mixed with Aliens and The Abyss.

 T.J
Miller does exactly what you think he is going to do, and so does Kristen
Stewart. In fact, all of the characters do the things you think they are going
to do. Does that make it bad? No, just predictable.

Underwater movie poster
Pretty cool poster, if I do say so.

I liked the
monster design in this, which is saying something because I rarely enjoy
monster design.

Score for Underwater

6/10

Spoilers for Underwater

Expand for Spoilers

There isn’t a whole lot to spoil in this movie. If you read my synopsis, you kind of get it. The monster(s) are really the x-factor and the interesting part of this movie, along with the journey to the bottom of the sea.

Kids Piloting Multi-Trillion Dollar Drilling Rigs

Ok, this is going to make me sound like a wet, old fart, but goddamnit I’m going to say it anyway. Twenty somethings are not who I would expect to be the focus of this movie. There’s a freaking intern for Christ-sake!

For another totally implausible underwater scenario, check out our review of The Meg

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2018/08/24/the-meg/

Haggard men in their thirties and forties are the key demo here, both in real life and in movies of old based on similar situations. Call me sexist, but it’s true!

Here is a list of movies that show remote places and bad situations for what they are – stinky and men-ridden:

“But David, three of those movies have a female lead!” That’s the exception that proves the rule. Apart from Aliens, Sigourney Weaver is almost the only female in the whole damn movie, and she looks as stinky and gross as the men she hangs with.

I’m not sure where I’m going with this because to be honest, Underwater wouldn’t be nearly as attractive without Stewart at the helm. So maybe I’ll just swallow my vaguely sexist criticism and enjoy the kids piloting the world’s most expensive/dangerous drilling project.

The Monster(s)

We are introduced to the monsters early and often, but rarely do we get a solid look at them until the very end, which I appreciate.

We get to see fleeting quick glimpses of strange blurry hands and octo-faces darting around. Mostly we get to see the remains of others that the monsters leave behind.

Eventually, at the crescendo, we see a bevvy of the monsters hanging from – you guessed it – the bottom of the Roebuck drilling station that our surviving crew needs to enter. As the crew make their way through the forest of limp floating arms of the creatures, the awake.

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My friend Brenners, AKA the captain from Underwater

They are hideous and effective, but obviously small compared to something else that we hear throughout the movie – the leviathan!

The leviathan is a truly massive monster, larger than most Kaiju I’ve seen. probably on par with Cthullu. The most interesting part about the leviathan is that the smaller humanoid creatures seem to live on it, and do it’s bidding.

I liked the monster(s), which is rare for me.

Final Recommendations

If you like monster movies, godzilla/kaiju, or Cthullu then Underwater is for you. It’s a action oriented monster movie that has a quippy T.J. Miller and a sexy Kristen Stewart – standard stuff.

It’s not great but I thoroughly expected to hate it and I didn’t. I would watch this again while drunk or high.

]]> Underwater is in theaters right now and I did not expect much, which left me pleasantly surprised when I didn’t have a bad time. As far as underwater spooks and adventure go, Underwater is unique enough to hold my attention, Underwater is in theaters right now and I did not expect much, which left me pleasantly surprised when I didn’t have a bad time. As far as underwater spooks and adventure go, Underwater is unique enough to hold my attention, but it doesn’t pull off anything amazing. 







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Underwater Synopsis



Underwater stars Kristen Stewart as Norah, T.J. Miller as the unnamed goofball, and Vincent Cassel as the captain who looks just like my friend
Brent.




https://youtu.be/Rszr56AH3Co




This is an
incredibly simple story that starts with Kristen Stewart describing life 
- underwater - in this massive - underwater - facility that is made to support a drilling operation at the
bottom of the Mariana Trench, which of course, is - underwater. 



After a few
minutes the facility begins to implode, and our leading lady is forced to begin
her - underwater - quest to escape. 



Along the
way she runs into a few friends who have miraculously survived the facility
being torn to shred at this crushing depth. Once she meets up with the captain,
they hatch a plan to escape but soon find themselves in over their heads!



Feel the intense teeth-brushing action!



Underwater Review



Underwater is a by-the-books movie that reminded me of Sphere (1998) mixed with Aliens and The Abyss.



 T.J
Miller does exactly what you think he is going to do, and so does Kristen
Stewart. In fact, all of the characters do the things you think they are going
to do. Does that make it bad? No, just predictable.



Pretty cool poster, if I do say so.



I liked the
monster design in this, which is saying something because I rarely enjoy
monster design.



Score for Underwater



6/10



Spoilers for Underwater



Expand for Spoilers




There isn't a whole lot to spoil in this movie. If you read my synopsis, you kind of get it. The monster(s) are really the x-factor and the interesting part of this movie, along with the journey to the bottom of the sea.



Kids Piloting Multi-Trillion Dollar Drilling Rigs



Ok, this is going to make me sound like a wet, old fart, but goddamnit I'm going to say it anyway. Twenty somethings are not who I would expect to be the focus of this movie. There's a freaking intern for Christ-sake!



For another totally implausible underwater scenario, check out our review of The Meg




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The Grudge (2020) Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2020/01/08/the-grudge-2020-review/ Wed, 08 Jan 2020 08:01:00 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3582 We went and saw The Grudge, and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, because I liked it. That's because it's a dark and moody sequel/reboot of The Grudge. Nicolas Pesce wrote and directed the film, and brings a more serious and weighty tone to the proceedings. This is the first Grudge film to earn an R-rating, and it is warranted not only for the violence, but also for the mature subject matter. Intro - (0:11)Trailer - (5:44) Synopsis - (10:05) Review - (11:46) Score - (22:35) Spoilers - (30:33) Critics Corner - (1:08:07) Outro - (1:21:48) @Dgoebel00 on instagram provided this amazing image. Follow him for more greatness. https://youtu.be/O2NKzO-fxwQ See The Grudge can in theaters now The Grudge 2020 Synopsis This film is a soft reboot sequel of the American Grudge from 2004. It tells the story of a single mother Detective Muldoon (Andrea Riseborough) as she moves to a new police force and discovers a dead body in the woods. Muldoon's partner Detective Goodman (Demián Bichir) is disturbed when the body is connected with previous murder cases he investigated. As established in the previous Grudges and the opening credits, when someone is killed in a violent rage, a curse is formed around the place of death. Goodman mysteriously tries to dissuade Muldoon from investigating too deeply, and DEFINITELY NOT GO IN THE HOUSE. As you can guess, she goes in the house. As Detective Muldoon investigates the current and previous murders, the film flashes back to tell the story of three families in different stages of life all being haunted, and hunted by the same curse. Review of The Grudge (2020) I haven’t seen any of the previous Grudge’s or the original Ju-On, so I was going in blind. However, the information I needed was provided in the opening credits: Murder bad. Make curse. Curse Bad. This technique I actually liked, but I admit it does lessen the mystery a bit. But since this is a sequel, all that information has already been established. Dark Tone The director Nicolas Pesce sets a measured pace and a moody tone for this movie, which for me, helped to build up the dread. There isn’t much mystery, or any real surprises in terms of the plot, but it does still feel compelling because of the inevitability of what you know is going to happen. It’s like watching a slow-mo train wreck.  The first act takes it’s time to develop characters. Each family is introduced in turn with a unique situation that inspires empathy. Therefore it does feel like there are stakes. The most interesting of the bunch is probably the elderly Matheson family that is dealing with dementia and assisted suicide.  R-Rated Horror This is definitely a one trick pony though. Along the lines of The Conjuring movies, it’s more of a vehicle for jump scares. Some of the scares are effective, but they are generally pretty sparse until the end. With the R-rating, it is able to delve into some more graphic violence. This is a pretty “light R” since there are only a few moments that earn the rating, but they are effective and pack a punch. When we left the theater, both David and I thought it was a good movie. Despite it’s slow pace and general predictability, it’s a well crafted movie with a distinctive tone and gravitas. We covered Nicolas Pesce's last movie, Piercing a while ago and I think he has an really interesting style. Negative Reactions on Twitter Upon checking twitter, we are in the minority on this movie. People and critics apparently HATE this movie. It has worse scores on Rotten Tomatoes than CATS, which is ridiculous to me. I felt like I saw a completely different movie. I don’t know what people were expecting from it, but apparently they were VERY disappointed with the film. Most of the criticisms about it are that it is “boring” or that it didn’t feature the original girl ghost “Kayako” as much as they wanted.  Score for The Grudge (2020) 6/10 We went and saw The Grudge, and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, because I liked it. That’s because it’s a dark and moody sequel/reboot of The Grudge.

Nicolas Pesce wrote and directed the film, and brings a more serious and weighty tone to the proceedings.

This is the first Grudge film to earn an R-rating, and it is warranted not only for the violence, but also for the mature subject matter.

  • Intro – (0:11)
  • Trailer – (5:44)
  • Synopsis – (10:05)
  • Review – (11:46)
  • Score – (22:35)
  • Spoilers – (30:33)
  • Critics Corner – (1:08:07)
  • Outro – (1:21:48)
The Grudge Tub Draino
@Dgoebel00 on instagram provided this amazing image. Follow him for more greatness.
https://youtu.be/O2NKzO-fxwQ

See The Grudge can in theaters now

The Grudge 2020 Synopsis

This film is a soft reboot sequel of the American Grudge from 2004. It tells the story of a single mother Detective Muldoon (Andrea Riseborough) as she moves to a new police force and discovers a dead body in the woods.

Muldoon’s partner Detective Goodman (Demián Bichir) is disturbed when the body is connected with previous murder cases he investigated. As established in the previous Grudges and the opening credits, when someone is killed in a violent rage, a curse is formed around the place of death. Goodman mysteriously tries to dissuade Muldoon from investigating too deeply, and DEFINITELY NOT GO IN THE HOUSE. As you can guess, she goes in the house.

As Detective Muldoon investigates the current and previous murders, the film flashes back to tell the story of three families in different stages of life all being haunted, and hunted by the same curse.

Review of The Grudge (2020)

I haven’t seen any of the previous Grudge’s or the original Ju-On, so I was going in blind. However, the information I needed was provided in the opening credits:

  1. Murder bad.
  2. Make curse.
  3. Curse Bad.

This technique I actually liked, but I admit it does lessen the mystery a bit. But since this is a sequel, all that information has already been established.

Dark Tone

The director Nicolas Pesce sets a measured pace and a moody tone for this movie, which for me, helped to build up the dread. There isn’t much mystery, or any real surprises in terms of the plot, but it does still feel compelling because of the inevitability of what you know is going to happen. It’s like watching a slow-mo train wreck. 

The first act takes it’s time to develop characters. Each family is introduced in turn with a unique situation that inspires empathy. Therefore it does feel like there are stakes. The most interesting of the bunch is probably the elderly Matheson family that is dealing with dementia and assisted suicide. 

R-Rated Horror

This is definitely a one trick pony though. Along the lines of The Conjuring movies, it’s more of a vehicle for jump scares. Some of the scares are effective, but they are generally pretty sparse until the end. With the R-rating, it is able to delve into some more graphic violence. This is a pretty “light R” since there are only a few moments that earn the rating, but they are effective and pack a punch.

When we left the theater, both David and I thought it was a good movie. Despite it’s slow pace and general predictability, it’s a well crafted movie with a distinctive tone and gravitas. We covered Nicolas Pesce’s last movie, Piercing a while ago and I think he has an really interesting style.

Negative Reactions on Twitter

Upon checking twitter, we are in the minority on this movie. People and critics apparently HATE this movie. It has worse scores on Rotten Tomatoes than CATS, which is ridiculous to me. I felt like I saw a completely different movie. I don’t know what people were expecting from it, but apparently they were VERY disappointed with the film. Most of the criticisms about it are that it is “boring” or that it didn’t feature the original girl ghost “Kayako” as much as they wanted. 

Score for The Grudge (2020)

6/10

The Grudge (2020)

Pre-order on Amazon.com.

Final Recommendations

I stand by my original impressions upon leaving the theater. I think it’s worth a watch.

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We went and saw The Grudge, and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, because I liked it. That's because it's a dark and moody sequel/reboot of The Grudge. Nicolas Pesce wrote and directed the film, and brings a more serious and weighty tone to the p... We went and saw The Grudge, and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, because I liked it. That's because it's a dark and moody sequel/reboot of The Grudge.



Nicolas Pesce wrote and directed the film, and brings a more serious and weighty tone to the proceedings.



This is the first Grudge film to earn an R-rating, and it is warranted not only for the violence, but also for the mature subject matter.







* Intro - (0:11)* Trailer - (5:44) * Synopsis - (10:05) * Review - (11:46) * Score - (22:35) * Spoilers - (30:33) * Critics Corner - (1:08:07) * Outro - (1:21:48)



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The Grudge 2020 Synopsis



This film is a soft reboot sequel of the American Grudge from 2004. It tells the story of a single mother Detective Muldoon (Andrea Riseborough) as she moves to a new police force and discovers a dead body in the woods.



Muldoon's partner Detective Goodman (Demián Bichir) is disturbed when the body is connected with previous murder cases he investigated. As established in the previous Grudges and the opening credits, when someone is killed in a violent rage, a curse is formed around the place of death. Goodman mysteriously tries to dissuade Muldoon from investigating too deeply, and DEFINITELY NOT GO IN THE HOUSE. As you can guess, she goes in the house.



As Detective Muldoon investigates the current and previous murders, the film flashes back to tell the story of three families in different stages of life all being haunted, and hunted by the same curse.



Review of The Grudge (2020)



I haven’t seen any of the previous Grudge’s or the original Ju-On, so I was going in blind. However, the information I needed was provided in the opening credits:



* Murder bad. * Make curse. * Curse Bad.



This technique I actually liked, but I admit it does lessen the mystery a bit. But since this is a sequel, all that information has already been established.



Dark Tone



The director Nicolas Pesce sets a measured pace and a moody tone for this movie, which for me, helped to build up the dread. There isn’t much mystery, or any real surprises in terms of the plot, but it does still feel compelling because of the inevitability of what you know is going to happen. It’s like watching a slow-mo train wreck. 



The first act takes it’s time to develop characters. Each family is introduced in turn with a unique situation that inspires empathy. Therefore it does feel like there are stakes. The most interesting of the bunch is probably the elderly Matheson family that is dealing with dementia and assisted suicide. 



R-Rated Horror



This is definitely a one trick pony though. Along the lines of The Conjuring movies, it’s more of a vehicle for jump scares. Some of the scares are effective, but they are generally pretty sparse until the end. With the R-rating, it is able to delve into some more graphic violence. This is a pretty “light R” since there are only a few moments that earn the rating, but they are effective and pack a punch.



When we left the theater, both David and I thought it was a good movie. Despite it’s slow pace and general predictability,]]>
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Best and Worst Horror Movies of 2019 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2020/01/01/best-and-worst-horror-movies-of-2019/ Wed, 01 Jan 2020 08:01:00 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3561 2019 treated us very well in terms of how our podcast is doing and in terms of great horror movies. I would even go so far as to say we were spoiled by 2019. So let's take a look at what we love and hated about the horror movies that we reviewed in 2019. We had such a great time with horror in 2019! Skip to Intro - 0:40Skip to 2019 Expectations - 5:17Skip to Worst of 2019 - 17:27Skip to Best of 2019 - 32:35Skip to Which Episodes did Best - 1:06:55Skip to Which Episodes did Worst - 1:12:40 Skip to Most Excited for in 2020 - 1:17:45Skip to Horror or Porno - 1:36:04 Worst Horror Movies of 2019 The Prodigy This was such a boring movie that I resent it for technically being decent enough to be called mediocre. This is a movie that holds the title of "mediocrity" high above it's head and smiles. From Miles, the boring antagonist child, to his boring parents that boring birthed him, this movie is one that I will not watch again. Greta While not committing any mortal sins, Greta manages to be more forgettable than The Prodigy. This PG-13 thriller has a great trailer that leads one to believe that things will get real crazy, real fast. All that ends up happening is kidnapping and some Boo-box play. Yawn. The Curse of La Llorona Looking back on this, we only gave it a 4/10 but this movie was (in my mind) a 2/10. The real curse was having to sit through an hour and a half long movie that could have been 22 minutes of witless bullshit. This was a clear cash grab that the studio behind The Conjuring franchise, and hopefully not a sign of things to come. Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark To be honest with you, SStTitD was not that bad. It was really my fault for getting my hopes up about a movie that is nodding at my childhood nostalgia and winking. This is a fine movie to introduce young teens to the genre, but if you are looking for interesting concepts or a fun time, look elsewhere. Best Horror Movies of 2019 The Dead Don't Die The Dead Don't Die is lowkey one of the best movies of the year in terms of entertainment value, star power, script, and acting. Taking a totally fucked-out premise like zombies and making it fun and funny again is always impressive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs5ZOcU6Bnw You can't do better than this cast: Bill Murray Adam Driver Tom WaitsChloë Sevigny Steve Buscemi Danny Glover RZATilda Swinton Iggy Pop Selena Gomez Sturgill Simpson Midsommar Think cults are spooky? What about being drugged? Bright colors? Yea, this movie mashes up some of the most unused tropes and ideas into a terrifically horrific masterpiece. https://youtu.be/1Vnghdsjmd0 As director Ari Aster's second hit horror movie, this is a ride and a half for the viewer. The whole movie resembles a drug trip in a very innocuous way, and the end crescendos into one of the most upsetting things I witnessed all year. You must see this. Ready or Not Ready or Not came straight out of left field and clocked me. Everything about this movie was charming and fun. This will go down as one of the great meta-horror/comedies of all time. https://youtu.be/ZtYTwUxhAoI Our podcast review of Ready or Not makes me believe that scream queens are back. Make sure to listen to our podcast review of Ready or Not to hear the Debut of our best game to date: Horror or Porno. Doctor Sleep I can't believe how much I enjoyed this adventure horror movie! I thought for sure that any movie trying to follow The Shining would fail miserably. How wrong I was! https://youtu.be/BOzFZxB-8cw Everything about this movie enthralled me. The story was fun, the characters were believable. The baddies in this movie were so bad, so evil, it made me want nothing more than to see them suffer! Here's to 2020! Thank you for listening to the podcast and supporting the show! We couldn't do it without you! 2019 treated us very well in terms of how our podcast is doing and in terms of great horror movies. I would even go so far as to say we were spoiled by 2019. So let’s take a look at what we love and hated about the horror movies that we reviewed in 2019.

Ready or Not covered in blood
We had such a great time with horror in 2019!
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Worst Horror Movies of 2019

The Prodigy

This was such a boring movie that I resent it for technically being decent enough to be called mediocre. This is a movie that holds the title of “mediocrity” high above it’s head and smiles.

From Miles, the boring antagonist child, to his boring parents that boring birthed him, this movie is one that I will not watch again.

Greta

While not committing any mortal sins, Greta manages to be more forgettable than The Prodigy. This PG-13 thriller has a great trailer that leads one to believe that things will get real crazy, real fast.

All that ends up happening is kidnapping and some Boo-box play. Yawn.

The Curse of La Llorona

Looking back on this, we only gave it a 4/10 but this movie was (in my mind) a 2/10. The real curse was having to sit through an hour and a half long movie that could have been 22 minutes of witless bullshit.

This was a clear cash grab that the studio behind The Conjuring franchise, and hopefully not a sign of things to come.

Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark

To be honest with you, SStTitD was not that bad. It was really my fault for getting my hopes up about a movie that is nodding at my childhood nostalgia and winking.

This is a fine movie to introduce young teens to the genre, but if you are looking for interesting concepts or a fun time, look elsewhere.

Best Horror Movies of 2019

The Dead Don’t Die

The Dead Don’t Die is lowkey one of the best movies of the year in terms of entertainment value, star power, script, and acting. Taking a totally fucked-out premise like zombies and making it fun and funny again is always impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs5ZOcU6Bnw

You can’t do better than this cast:

Midsommar

Think cults are spooky? What about being drugged? Bright colors? Yea, this movie mashes up some of the most unused tropes and ideas into a terrifically horrific masterpiece.

https://youtu.be/1Vnghdsjmd0

As director Ari Aster’s second hit horror movie, this is a ride and a half for the viewer. The whole movie resembles a drug trip in a very innocuous way, and the end crescendos into one of the most upsetting things I witnessed all year.

You must see this.

Ready or Not

Ready or Not came straight out of left field and clocked me. Everything about this movie was charming and fun.

This will go down as one of the great meta-horror/comedies of all time.

https://youtu.be/ZtYTwUxhAoI

Our podcast review of Ready or Not makes me believe that scream queens are back.

Make sure to listen to our podcast review of Ready or Not to hear the Debut of our best game to date: Horror or Porno.

Doctor Sleep

I can’t believe how much I enjoyed this adventure horror movie! I thought for sure that any movie trying to follow The Shining would fail miserably. How wrong I was!

https://youtu.be/BOzFZxB-8cw

Everything about this movie enthralled me. The story was fun, the characters were believable.

The baddies in this movie were so bad, so evil, it made me want nothing more than to see them suffer!

Here’s to 2020!

Thank you for listening to the podcast and supporting the show! We couldn’t do it without you!

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2019 treated us very well in terms of how our podcast is doing and in terms of great horror movies. I would even go so far as to say we were spoiled by 2019. So let's take a look at what we love and hated about the horror movies that we reviewed in 201... 2019 treated us very well in terms of how our podcast is doing and in terms of great horror movies. I would even go so far as to say we were spoiled by 2019. So let's take a look at what we love and hated about the horror movies that we reviewed in 2019.







We had such a great time with horror in 2019!



* Skip to Intro - 0:40* Skip to 2019 Expectations - 5:17* Skip to Worst of 2019 - 17:27* Skip to Best of 2019 - 32:35* Skip to Which Episodes did Best - 1:06:55* Skip to Which Episodes did Worst - 1:12:40* Skip to Most Excited for in 2020 - 1:17:45* Skip to Horror or Porno - 1:36:04



Worst Horror Movies of 2019



The Prodigy



This was such a boring movie that I resent it for technically being decent enough to be called mediocre. This is a movie that holds the title of "mediocrity" high above it's head and smiles.



From Miles, the boring antagonist child, to his boring parents that boring birthed him, this movie is one that I will not watch again.



Greta



While not committing any mortal sins, Greta manages to be more forgettable than The Prodigy. This PG-13 thriller has a great trailer that leads one to believe that things will get real crazy, real fast.



All that ends up happening is kidnapping and some Boo-box play. Yawn.



The Curse of La Llorona



Looking back on this, we only gave it a 4/10 but this movie was (in my mind) a 2/10. The real curse was having to sit through an hour and a half long movie that could have been 22 minutes of witless bullshit.



This was a clear cash grab that the studio behind The Conjuring franchise, and hopefully not a sign of things to come.



Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark



To be honest with you, SStTitD was not that bad. It was really my fault for getting my hopes up about a movie that is nodding at my childhood nostalgia and winking.



This is a fine movie to introduce young teens to the genre, but if you are looking for interesting concepts or a fun time, look elsewhere.



Best Horror Movies of 2019



The Dead Don't Die



The Dead Don't Die is lowkey one of the best movies of the year in terms of entertainment value, star power, script, and acting. Taking a totally fucked-out premise like zombies and making it fun and funny again is always impressive.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs5ZOcU6Bnw




You can't do better than this cast:



* Bill Murray * Adam Driver * Tom Waits* Chloë Sevigny * Steve Buscemi * Danny Glover * https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3541 We streamed Rare Exports, and much like Finland, it was cold and dark. This horror film has more to do with Lovecraft than a run-of-the-mill slasher or monster movie. There is a lot of dread and high-concept build up. While the ending might not be satisfying, it stands out as the most entertaining part of the movie, and is worth the wait. Skip to Intro - 0:54Skip to Trailer - 4:39Skip to Synopsis - 7:52Skip to Review - 8:25Skip to Score - 12:33Skip to Spoilers - 20:45Skip to Taglines - 53:14 Skip to It Came From Social Media - 58:58Skip to Outro - 1:26:04 @Dgoebel00 on instagram provided this amazing pic. Follow him for more great horror art. Rare Exports can be found streaming free on Crackle, or on Amazon Prime or Hulu if you subscribe to either of those. https://youtu.be/PwT3wtUCv9Y Rare Exports Synopsis Rare Exports tells that tried and true christmas yarn of a young boy discovering that Santa Claus is real. This heartwarming tale set in Finland follows Pietarri and his widowed father as they try to make ends meet in the frosty North. But tragedy strikes when the winter livestock tragically dies, it’s up to Pietarri to discover the magic of Santa and save Christmas. Review of Rare Exports This movie is a lot of fun in retrospect, but to be honest you really have to be in the mood for this type of film. Like most scandinavian films it is very dry and has a real particular type of slow drip black humor. It has a very unique mix of lovecraftian horror and schlock that you really don’t see very often. Like most Lovecraftian stories, a lot of the exposition is third hand and can feel rather clinical. However, the ideas in this movie are genuinely fun if you can endure the desert-level dryness of the humor. The film is played SO straight that it is easy to miss how crazy and fun the concepts are within it. Erin walked in on the ending scene and upon explaining the plot to her, I realized how fun the movie must sound.  It's at the top of a lot of Christmas Horror Movie lists, but it’s not personally my favorite. That spot is still reserved for Silent Night, Deadly Night. Score for Rare Exports Score 7/10 Rare ExportsWatch the full movie now on Amazon PrimeWatch on Amazon Rare Exports Spoilers The film opens with the excavation of big hill. It feels straight out of Lovecraft, specifically At the Mountain of Madness. There are allusions to a discovery of ancient origins underneath a layer of insulation sawdust. Pietari and Jusso watch the men excavating, later Pietari discovers a bunch of ancient legends of Santa Claus being an evil entity with horns that punished naughty children. Mysterious footprints show up around Pietari’s house, and he assumes they are from Santa. On the yearly hunt, it’s discovered that all of the reindeer have been slaughtered close to the mountain with the drilling. The men want compensation from the drilling company for their lost livelihood. ...Rudolph? Pietari studies more about Santa legends and discovers ancient tales of Santa being captured in ice. Wolf trap is tripped and an old bearded man is discovered. Pietarri's father and his friends try to communicate with the man, but are unable. The old man seems to be drawn to Pietari. This convinces Pietari that the man is Santa. The group decides to sell santa to the drilling company. When the American running the excavation arrives he informs them that it isn’t Santa, it’s one of his “helpers”. All of a sudden they are swarmed by hundreds of naked old men “helpers”. When they escape to a hanger and discover that there is a giant block of ice with horns sticking out of it. All the towns heaters, hairdryers, and radiators are pointing at it. Also, all of the towns children are sacked up around the ice block. Disney's Santa On Ice They use all the bagged children as bait for the helpers and blow up iceblock santa. We streamed Rare Exports, and much like Finland, it was cold and dark. This horror film has more to do with Lovecraft than a run-of-the-mill slasher or monster movie. There is a lot of dread and high-concept build up. While the ending might not be satisfying, it stands out as the most entertaining part of the movie, and is worth the wait.

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Rare Exports can be found streaming free on Crackle, or on Amazon Prime or Hulu if you subscribe to either of those.

https://youtu.be/PwT3wtUCv9Y

Rare Exports Synopsis

Rare Exports tells that tried and true christmas yarn of a young boy discovering that Santa Claus is real. This heartwarming tale set in Finland follows Pietarri and his widowed father as they try to make ends meet in the frosty North. But tragedy strikes when the winter livestock tragically dies, it’s up to Pietarri to discover the magic of Santa and save Christmas.

Rare Exports Poster

Review of Rare Exports

This movie is a lot of fun in retrospect, but to be honest you really have to be in the mood for this type of film. Like most scandinavian films it is very dry and has a real particular type of slow drip black humor.

It has a very unique mix of lovecraftian horror and schlock that you really don’t see very often. Like most Lovecraftian stories, a lot of the exposition is third hand and can feel rather clinical. However, the ideas in this movie are genuinely fun if you can endure the desert-level dryness of the humor.

The film is played SO straight that it is easy to miss how crazy and fun the concepts are within it. Erin walked in on the ending scene and upon explaining the plot to her, I realized how fun the movie must sound. 

It’s at the top of a lot of Christmas Horror Movie lists, but it’s not personally my favorite. That spot is still reserved for Silent Night, Deadly Night.

Score for Rare Exports

Score 7/10

Rare Exports

Watch the full movie now on Amazon Prime

Rare Exports Spoilers

The film opens with the excavation of big hill. It feels straight out of Lovecraft, specifically At the Mountain of Madness. There are allusions to a discovery of ancient origins underneath a layer of insulation sawdust.

Pietari and Jusso watch the men excavating, later Pietari discovers a bunch of ancient legends of Santa Claus being an evil entity with horns that punished naughty children.

Mysterious footprints show up around Pietari’s house, and he assumes they are from Santa.

On the yearly hunt, it’s discovered that all of the reindeer have been slaughtered close to the mountain with the drilling. The men want compensation from the drilling company for their lost livelihood.

Dead Reindeer in Rare Exports
…Rudolph?

Pietari studies more about Santa legends and discovers ancient tales of Santa being captured in ice.

Pietari studying Santa

Wolf trap is tripped and an old bearded man is discovered. Pietarri’s father and his friends try to communicate with the man, but are unable. The old man seems to be drawn to Pietari. This convinces Pietari that the man is Santa.

Captured Santa in Rare Exports

The group decides to sell santa to the drilling company. When the American running the excavation arrives he informs them that it isn’t Santa, it’s one of his “helpers”. All of a sudden they are swarmed by hundreds of naked old men “helpers”.

When they escape to a hanger and discover that there is a giant block of ice with horns sticking out of it. All the towns heaters, hairdryers, and radiators are pointing at it. Also, all of the towns children are sacked up around the ice block.

Santa frozen solid in Rare Exports
Disney’s Santa On Ice

They use all the bagged children as bait for the helpers and blow up iceblock santa.

With all the excess helpers no longer under Santa’s spell, they spend the whole year training them to be mall santas and ship them out all over the world at a price.

Santa Training
Santa Training

Final Recommendations

Rare Exports is worth seeing. It is a high quality, quirky christmas horror movie that deserves acclaim. Keep in mind that it is more of a high concept horror than an actual slasher or monster movie.

]]> We streamed Rare Exports, and much like Finland, it was cold and dark. This horror film has more to do with Lovecraft than a run-of-the-mill slasher or monster movie. There is a lot of dread and high-concept build up. We streamed Rare Exports, and much like Finland, it was cold and dark. This horror film has more to do with Lovecraft than a run-of-the-mill slasher or monster movie. There is a lot of dread and high-concept build up. While the ending might not be satisfying, it stands out as the most entertaining part of the movie, and is worth the wait.







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Rare Exports can be found streaming free on Crackle, or on Amazon Prime or Hulu if you subscribe to either of those.




https://youtu.be/PwT3wtUCv9Y




Rare Exports Synopsis



Rare Exports tells that tried and true christmas yarn of a young boy discovering that Santa Claus is real. This heartwarming tale set in Finland follows Pietarri and his widowed father as they try to make ends meet in the frosty North. But tragedy strikes when the winter livestock tragically dies, it’s up to Pietarri to discover the magic of Santa and save Christmas.







Review of Rare Exports



This movie is a lot of fun in retrospect, but to be honest you really have to be in the mood for this type of film. Like most scandinavian films it is very dry and has a real particular type of slow drip black humor.



It has a very unique mix of lovecraftian horror and schlock that you really don’t see very often. Like most Lovecraftian stories, a lot of the exposition is third hand and can feel rather clinical. However, the ideas in this movie are genuinely fun if you can endure the desert-level dryness of the humor.



The film is played SO straight that it is easy to miss how crazy and fun the concepts are within it. Erin walked in on the ending scene and upon explaining the plot to her, I realized how fun the movie must sound. 



It's at the top of a lot of Christmas Horror Movie lists, but it’s not personally my favorite. That spot is still reserved for Silent Night, Deadly Night.



Score for Rare Exports



Score 7/10











Rare ExportsWatch the full movie now on Amazon PrimeWatch on Amazon





Rare Exports Spoilers



The film opens with the excavation of big hill. It feels straight out of Lovecraft, specifically At the Mountain of Madness. There are allusions to a discovery of ancient origins underneath a layer of insulation sawdust.



Pietari and Jusso watch the men excavating, later Pietari discovers a bunch of ancient legends of Santa Claus being a...]]>
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Black Christmas (2019) Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/12/18/black-christmas-2019-review/ Wed, 18 Dec 2019 08:01:00 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3507 Bury Christmas everyone! ROFLOLOLOL!!!! No, but seriously folks, we like to joke... This week we review the new 2019 Model of Black Christmas. It’s a genuine attempt to reimagine Bob Clark's 1974 classic through the lens of today's modern woman. Listen to our full review on our latest episode or read the summary below. Also in this episode, we play Taglines and a new game called "Black Christmas or Black Christmas or Black Christmas". Enjoy. @Dgoebel00 on instagram provided this amazing pic. Follow him for more great horror art. Skip to Intro - 0:05Skip to Trailer - 5:01Skip to Synopsis - 7:37Skip to Review - 9:09Skip to Score - 12:55Skip to Spoilers - 20:22 Skip to Taglines - 1:21:09 Skip to Black Christmas or Black Christmas or Black Christmas - 1:25:20Skip to Outro - 1:31:31 Synopsis of Black Christmas 2019 Sabina, Elena, and Jane are working for the mysterious Charles Townsend, whose security and investigative agency has expanded internationally. With the world's smartest, bravest, and most highly trained women all over the globe, there are now teams of Angels guided by multiple Bosleys... Oh wait that’s charlies angels Black Christmas is the second in the increasingly loosely based remakes of Bob Clark’s 1974 Black Christmas. The story follows 4 close-knit Hawthorne College sorority sisters named Riley (Imogen Poots), Kris (Aleyse Shannon), Marty (Lily Donoghue), and Jesse (Brittany O'Grady) during the very beginning of winter break. While most of the campus is abandoned by students going home for the holidays, these bold gen-z women opt to stay on campus and party with the other christmas holiday “orphans”. Soon it is apparent that they are being stalked by a mysterious man or men who are attacking and killing sorority sisters one by one. As we follow Sophie and company, it is revealed that the stalker/stalkers are part of a larger more nefarious conspiracy: THE PATRIARCHY. Black Christmas (1974)Add the BLuray to your collection or stream it now.Buy on Amazon Written, directed, and led by young women, this film’s diva cup runneth over with female empowerment. It is so loosely based on the original that it barely maintains the scaffolding of women at college being stalked by a killer. What it does bring to the party is straight ahead, unsubtle social commentary for today’s generation of women.  Quick Review of Black Christmas 2019 I imagine that this film is going to get a lot of hate, and there are a lot of creative and studio decisions that hinder its success, but I must say that I admire the creative vision of this movie. This film seems like a genuine attempt to reimagine Black Christmas through the lens of today's generation, with today’s technology. Supplanting the themes of abortion rights and women's lib, are the modern themes of rape culture and well, still women’s lib... I guess we’re still working on that.  Like I said before, it is not subtle in its message of social commentary, but in this case, I prefer the straight ahead messaging vs lame tacked-on virtue of other “woke” horror films. In terms of plot, this film goes charging off the rails in the third act. The end is truly ridiculous, but it is good campy fun.  The biggest hindrance and distraction of the film was its pg-13 rating. It’s so distracting and jarring at some points that it resembles a television edit from the late 80’s. But since they wanted to market the film to the younger generation of women movie goers, they had to say “yippee ki yay, mr. falcon” to their R-rating. https://youtu.be/DuQP4d_r_Gs?t=233 Score for Black Christmas (2019) 6/10 Spoilers for Black Christmas Expand for spoilers The film doesn't go to great lengths to create a mystery over who the killer is. It is shown early on that the killer is obviously from the same fraternity that Riley's rapist is from. Riley stumbles into a secret ritual involving an old bust that is weeping black goo. Bury Christmas everyone! ROFLOLOLOL!!!! No, but seriously folks, we like to joke… This week we review the new 2019 Model of Black Christmas. It’s a genuine attempt to reimagine Bob Clark’s 1974 classic through the lens of today’s modern woman. Listen to our full review on our latest episode or read the summary below. Also in this episode, we play Taglines and a new game called “Black Christmas or Black Christmas or Black Christmas”. Enjoy.

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Synopsis of Black Christmas 2019

Sabina, Elena, and Jane are working for the mysterious Charles Townsend, whose security and investigative agency has expanded internationally. With the world’s smartest, bravest, and most highly trained women all over the globe, there are now teams of Angels guided by multiple Bosleys…

Oh wait that’s charlies angels

Black Christmas (2019) Poster

Black Christmas is the second in the increasingly loosely based remakes of Bob Clark’s 1974 Black Christmas. The story follows 4 close-knit Hawthorne College sorority sisters named Riley (Imogen Poots), Kris (Aleyse Shannon), Marty (Lily Donoghue), and Jesse (Brittany O’Grady) during the very beginning of winter break. While most of the campus is abandoned by students going home for the holidays, these bold gen-z women opt to stay on campus and party with the other christmas holiday “orphans”. Soon it is apparent that they are being stalked by a mysterious man or men who are attacking and killing sorority sisters one by one. As we follow Sophie and company, it is revealed that the stalker/stalkers are part of a larger more nefarious conspiracy: THE PATRIARCHY.

Black Christmas (1974)

Add the BLuray to your collection or stream it now.

Written, directed, and led by young women, this film’s diva cup runneth over with female empowerment. It is so loosely based on the original that it barely maintains the scaffolding of women at college being stalked by a killer. What it does bring to the party is straight ahead, unsubtle social commentary for today’s generation of women. 

Quick Review of Black Christmas 2019

I imagine that this film is going to get a lot of hate, and there are a lot of creative and studio decisions that hinder its success, but I must say that I admire the creative vision of this movie. This film seems like a genuine attempt to reimagine Black Christmas through the lens of today’s generation, with today’s technology. Supplanting the themes of abortion rights and women’s lib, are the modern themes of rape culture and well, still women’s lib… I guess we’re still working on that.

 Like I said before, it is not subtle in its message of social commentary, but in this case, I prefer the straight ahead messaging vs lame tacked-on virtue of other “woke” horror films. In terms of plot, this film goes charging off the rails in the third act. The end is truly ridiculous, but it is good campy fun. 

The biggest hindrance and distraction of the film was its pg-13 rating. It’s so distracting and jarring at some points that it resembles a television edit from the late 80’s. But since they wanted to market the film to the younger generation of women movie goers, they had to say “yippee ki yay, mr. falcon” to their R-rating.

https://youtu.be/DuQP4d_r_Gs?t=233

Score for Black Christmas (2019)

6/10

Spoilers for Black Christmas

Expand for spoilers

The film doesn’t go to great lengths to create a mystery over who the killer is. It is shown early on that the killer is obviously from the same fraternity that Riley’s rapist is from.

Riley stumbles into a secret ritual involving an old bust that is weeping black goo.

bust in Black Christmas
I cry because of my dying privilege

If you’re wondering if they ever explain what the black goo is. Don’t hold your breath. It’s bad, and it makes men bad. That’s pretty much the extent of it.

The bust is of the founder of the frat, and apparently he dabbled a bit in black magic and left instructions on how to use said magic (and goo?) to put women back in their place.

It is eventually revealed that the killer is actually killers. The whole frat is out to kill or force into servitude all the women on campus. It’s pretty crazy.

In the end, the women come off victorious.

Final Recommendations

With the holiday season and Star Wars coming out, it’s slim pickings for horror movies in the theater. This was a fun movie that genuinely tried to be some thing new. It’s not terrible, and is a little bit better than average. At the very least it will spark conversation. I’d recommend you see it. Star Wars will still be there in a week.

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Bury Christmas everyone! ROFLOLOLOL!!!! No, but seriously folks, we like to joke... This week we review the new 2019 Model of Black Christmas. It’s a genuine attempt to reimagine Bob Clark's 1974 classic through the lens of today's modern woman. Bury Christmas everyone! ROFLOLOLOL!!!! No, but seriously folks, we like to joke... This week we review the new 2019 Model of Black Christmas. It’s a genuine attempt to reimagine Bob Clark's 1974 classic through the lens of today's modern woman. Listen to our full review on our latest episode or read the summary below. Also in this episode, we play Taglines and a new game called "Black Christmas or Black Christmas or Black Christmas". Enjoy.







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Synopsis of Black Christmas 2019



Sabina, Elena, and Jane are working for the mysterious Charles Townsend, whose security and investigative agency has expanded internationally. With the world's smartest, bravest, and most highly trained women all over the globe, there are now teams of Angels guided by multiple Bosleys...



Oh wait that’s charlies angels







Black Christmas is the second in the increasingly loosely based remakes of Bob Clark’s 1974 Black Christmas. The story follows 4 close-knit Hawthorne College sorority sisters named Riley (Imogen Poots), Kris (Aleyse Shannon), Marty (Lily Donoghue), and Jesse (Brittany O'Grady) during the very beginning of winter break. While most of the campus is abandoned by students going home for the holidays, these bold gen-z women opt to stay on campus and party with the other christmas holiday “orphans”. Soon it is apparent that they are being stalked by a mysterious man or men who are attacking and killing sorority sisters one by one. As we follow Sophie and company, it is revealed that the stalker/stalkers are part of a larger more nefarious conspiracy: THE PATRIARCHY.











Black Christmas (1974)Add the BLuray to your collection or stream it now.Buy on Amazon





Written, directed, and led by young women, this film’s diva cup runneth over with female empowerment. It is so loosely based on the original that it barely maintains the scaffolding of women at college being stalked by a killer. What it does bring to the party is straight ahead, unsubtle social commentary for today’s generation of women. 



Quick Review of Black Christmas 2019



I imagine that this film is going to get a lot of hate, and there are a lot of creative and studio decisions that hinder its success,]]>
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Backcountry (Movie) Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/12/11/backcountry-movie-review/ Wed, 11 Dec 2019 08:01:00 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3479 We saw Backcountry on Netflix, and it is an effective enough one-trick pony. I laughed and cried, and sometimes it wasn’t ironic! Skip to Intro - 0:26Skip to Trailer - 9:07Skip to Synopsis - 11:08Skip to Review - 12:20Skip to Score - 13:50Skip to Spoilers - 20:00 Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:00:00 Skip to Taglines - 1:08:14 Skip to Outro - 1:12:32 Oh my God, @Dgoebel00 on INSTA provided this amazing pic. Check him out on his site as well. https://youtu.be/46uwmzTf5nA Backcountry Synopsis Backcountry is the 2014 story of a woodsy kind of guy named Alex (Jeff Roop) and his urban girlfriend, Jenn (Missy Peregrym), who are heading into the woods for a late-season camping trip. It’s directed and written by Adam MacDonald. Watch Backcountry Watch it on AmazonBackcountry Movie Early in the movie, we meet a Park Ranger (Nicholas Campbell) who warns the couple that they should probably bring a map and look out for inclement weather, but Alex don’t need none of that shit! He’s a man’s man who knows these woods like the back of his country, and he don’t need no stinking map. As the couple heads into the woods they quickly end up with more camping trip than they bargained for. Backcountry Review Backcountry is a one-trick pony that relies on a surprisingly well-grounded theme - The woods are scary, and so are wild animals. Most of the movie left me scratching my head and rewinding to try to make sense of dialog or acting that didn’t seem to fit the situation. Why are they worried about a single snapped tree? Why didn’t the movie make a point of that tree before it was snapped to show the audience that this is certainly out of place? Lots of little details like this made the movie a little frustrating for me.  Overall, I do appreciate the simplicity of this movie and its premise and the stakes. It was fun to watch with a friend and plays on a very reliable fear, being alone in the woods at night. Score for Backcountry 6/10 Spoilers for Backcountry Backcountry is a barebones kind of movie. Lots of it is composed of vaguely wandering through the woods, with little to no dialog. There are only four characters in the movie, our two protagonists, the park ranger at the beginning, and Brad in the first third of the movie. Unless you count the bear, I mean. So beware, those are the stakes. Check Out The Big Knife on Brad! After they canoe across the lake and set up camp initially, we meet Brad, a dreamy outdoorsman who starts to chat up Jenn while Alex is off gathering wood. Alex is cagey upon meeting Brad, and this causes a rift in the new relationship. Stupid sexy Brad! Brad shares his fish with the two before doling out his machismo upon Alex. Brad reveals that he is an outdoor guide who is well-versed in the area. He also reveals a huge skinning knife and his disdain for the snap judgment that Alex made on him and his kindness. Brad leaves our couple after dinner, a wink, and a slug of whiskey, which left me extremely uneasy. Humans in the woods are, by far, the scariest thing to me. People represent a very creepy and unreliable X-factor, in a place that’s far away from law and order. Brad is a great addition to the story because he sets up the stakes, which feel alarmingly high for a hike in the woods. The Path Less Traveled As our couple gets on their way, there is a point where Alex chooses the path less traveled. He seems sure of himself, so Jenn follows, and they eventually set up camp. Every night we get to see them sleeping and hear the creepy sounds of the woods. This is effective in all the right ways. Who knows what’s out there? The couple wakes up each day to a campsite that is a little different than they left it. As Alex recognizes the signs that they are almost to the waterfall they set out to see, he quickens his pace. When they walk out into the open, they both realize that they are not in the right plac... We saw Backcountry
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Backcountry Synopsis

Backcountry is the 2014 story of a woodsy kind of guy named Alex (Jeff Roop) and his urban girlfriend, Jenn (Missy Peregrym), who are heading into the woods for a late-season camping trip. It’s directed and written by Adam MacDonald.

Watch Backcountry

Watch it on Amazon

Early in
the movie, we meet a Park Ranger (Nicholas Campbell) who warns the couple that they should probably
bring a map and look out for inclement weather, but Alex don’t need none of
that shit! He’s a man’s man who knows these woods like the back of his country,
and he don’t need no stinking map.

As the
couple heads into the woods they quickly end up with more camping trip than
they bargained for.

Backcountry Review

Backcountry movie poster

Backcountry is a one-trick
pony that relies on a surprisingly well-grounded theme – The woods are scary,
and so are wild animals.

Most of the
movie left me scratching my head and rewinding to try to make sense of dialog
or acting that didn’t seem to fit the situation. Why are they worried about a
single snapped tree? Why didn’t the movie make a point of that tree before it
was snapped to show the audience that this is certainly out of place?

Lots of
little details like this made the movie a little frustrating for me. 

Overall, I
do appreciate the simplicity of this movie and its premise and the stakes. It
was fun to watch with a friend and plays on a very reliable fear, being alone
in the woods at night.

Score for Backcountry

6/10

Spoilers for Backcountry

Backcountry is a barebones kind of movie. Lots of it
is composed of vaguely wandering through the woods, with little to no dialog. There
are only four characters in the movie, our two protagonists, the park ranger at
the beginning, and Brad in the first third of the movie. Unless you count the
bear, I mean.

So beware, those are the stakes.

Check Out The Big Knife on Brad!

After they canoe across the lake and set up camp initially, we
meet Brad, a dreamy outdoorsman who starts to chat up Jenn while Alex is off
gathering wood. Alex is cagey upon meeting Brad, and this causes a rift in the new
relationship.

Brad from Backcountry movie
Stupid sexy Brad!

Brad shares his fish with the two before doling out his machismo
upon Alex. Brad reveals that he is an outdoor guide who is well-versed in the
area. He also reveals a huge skinning knife and his disdain for the snap judgment
that Alex made on him and his kindness.

Brad leaves our couple after dinner, a wink, and a slug of
whiskey, which left me extremely uneasy. Humans in the woods are, by far, the scariest
thing to me. People represent a very creepy and unreliable X-factor, in a place
that’s far away from law and order.

Brad is a great addition to the story because he sets up the
stakes, which feel alarmingly high for a hike in the woods.

The Path Less Traveled

As our couple gets on their way, there is a point where Alex
chooses the path less traveled. He seems sure of himself, so Jenn follows, and they
eventually set up camp. Every night we get to see them sleeping and hear the
creepy sounds of the woods. This is effective in all the right ways. Who knows
what’s out there?

The couple wakes up each day to a campsite that is a little
different than they left it.

As Alex recognizes the signs that they are almost to the
waterfall they set out to see, he quickens his pace. When they walk out into
the open, they both realize that they are not in the right place at all – they are
totally lost.

Until this point in the movie there has been a lot of filler
of the couple just walking through the woods, almost like a montage set to bird
and woods sounds. It is at this point where the action begins, and thank God. I
couldn’t take five more minutes of boring plodding.

Panic Sets In

Jenn is confused and scared, and rightfully so. She throws a
series of questions at Alex:

Where are we? I don’t know. How did we get here? I guess I
don’t remember the area as I did in High School. Are you stupid? Yes.

Alex and Jenn from Backcountry movie
Concern grips the actors.

The couple has a big argument, and it is revealed that Alex
was going to propose to Jenn once they got to the waterfall.

The fight feels like it erupts out of the blue, which it
does. It was decently setup with the campfire banter throughout the movie thus
far. It’s just a bit comical how it plays out with high school relationship
levels of volatility.

Backcountry Bear Attack

One morning they wake up, and their food is gone, they frame
a raccoon, but we all know who the culprit really is. They are panicked, foodless,
and one toke over the line, trying to make sense of where they are. They go to
bed and wake up looking at a big black bear outside the tent.

Bear from Backcountry movie
Don’t be fooled, that cute bear would step over his own mother to eat you!

That bear attacks them, and I do mean it attacks the shit
out of them. If I had to draw a picture with words – imagine a bear with speed
lines and ultra-roaring powers. Wiggle-cam is in full effect during the attack.
Jenn has a can of bear mace in-hand throughout the whole attack, and she gives
it a shot once, but mostly she just watches Alex get eaten alive.

https://youtu.be/X0AHvPpGrDU
Compare this bear attack against The Revenant bear attack below
https://youtu.be/GOlVRHsVzE4
No contest, but this is a blockbuster, so not a fair comparison

I enjoy how true to life this attack is. The bear is just a
bear, not some super-bear with a laser attached to its butt. It’s just a bear
that does what you might expect a late-season bear to do – eat what it finds.
Jenn’s actions, while super annoying, are pretty realistic too. Failing to use
the bear spray in her hands is what I might expect from my wife in such a situation.

Run, Jenny, Run

At this point Jenn is running from the bear. I did mention
this was a one-trick-pony, right?

At some point she finds the waterfall, climbs down it, suffers
a crunchy fall that surely breaks some bones. She finds the canoe, crosses the
lake and finds the search party is set to come look for her being headed by –
you guessed it, Brad.

She’s definitely going to marry Brad.

Plenty of parts in the chase made me squeamish because of
how real and plausible they seemed. It was a pretty obvious ending, but hey, it’s
pretty real too.

Final Recommendations

This is an easy choice for a Friday night movie
at home, snuggled up on the couch, poking your friend at every twig snap.
Nothing showy or hard to get into, and it really does tap into a primal fear
that is magnified artificially by our distance from nature now. Backcountry is
fun and ironically funny, and mostly coherent. 

If you want a similar but better movie, check
out The
Ritual
,
which centers on a group of friends who have to deal with
something more sinister in the woods.

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and sometimes it wasn’t ironic!







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https://youtu.be/46uwmzTf5nA




Backcountry Synopsis



Backcountry is the 2014 story of a woodsy kind of guy named Alex (Jeff Roop) and his urban girlfriend, Jenn (Missy Peregrym), who are heading into the woods for a late-season camping trip. It’s directed and written by Adam MacDonald.





Watch Backcountry Watch it on AmazonBackcountry Movie











Early in
the movie, we meet a Park Ranger (Nicholas Campbell) who warns the couple that they should probably
bring a map and look out for inclement weather, but Alex don’t need none of
that shit! He’s a man’s man who knows these woods like the back of his country,
and he don’t need no stinking map.



As the
couple heads into the woods they quickly end up with more camping trip than
they bargained for.



Backcountry Review







Backcountry is a one-trick
pony that relies on a surprisingly well-grounded theme - The woods are scary,
and so are wild animals.



Most of the
movie left me scratching my head and rewinding to try to make sense of dialog
or acting that didn’t seem to fit the situation. Why are they worried about a
single snapped tree? Why didn’t the movie make a point of that tree before it
was snapped to show the audience that this is certainly out of place?



Lots of
little details like this made the movie a little frustrating for me. 



Overall, I
do appreciate the simplicity of this movie and its premise and the stakes. It
was fun to watch with a friend and plays on a very reliable fear, being alone
in the woods at night.



Score for Backcountry



6/10



Spoilers for Backcountry



Backcountry is a barebones kind of movie. Lots of it
is composed of vaguely wandering through the woods, with little to no dialog. There
are only four characters in the movie, our two protagonists, the park ranger at
the beginning, and Brad in the first third of the movie. Unless you count the
bear, I mean.



So beware, those are the stakes.



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American Psycho Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/12/04/american-psycho-review/ Wed, 04 Dec 2019 08:01:00 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3441 American Psycho is, without a doubt, one of my favorite movies of all time. This thriller is one of the most hilarious and disturbing tongue-in-cheek movies ever made.  Skip to Intro - 0:34Skip to Trailer - 4:37Skip to Synopsis - 6:38Skip to Review - 7:54Skip to Score - 9:42Skip to Spoilers - 14:04Skip to Outro - 1:44:16 Oh my God, @Dgoebel00 on INSTA provided this amazing pic. Check him out on his site as well. American Psycho can be found on Netflix right now for free, and just about everywhere else for a nominal rental fee.  American Psycho Synopsis This is the story of Patrick Bateman, a Wall Street investment banker who is wealthy, materialistic, and totally insane. As you get to know Bateman, you will realize that you are witnessing an interesting turning point in his life. The emptiness that he feels inside is forcing his addictive habits further into the open than is wise.  American Psycho StreamingWatch it on AmazonClick Here to Watch By day he frets about having the perfect business card, or the best suit, or reservations at the most trendy restaurant. By night he is a psychopathic serial killer.  But how much of this lunacy is real? With Patrick as our unreliable narrator, we get a behind the scenes look at the mind of a real nutjob – a true “happy camper”. American Psycho Review American Psycho is, in my opinion, a masterpiece that looks directly at the human condition as it is today. This movie is based on the 1991 Bret Easton Ellis novel by the same name and is set in the late ’80s, amid the extreme excess and consumerism that marked the time. And it holds to this day.  The restraint shown in this movie is perhaps the most impressive part of an already very impressive movie. The acting is perfect. To my mind, this is the movie that put Christian Bale on the map as one of the best actors we have ever seen, and definitely my favorite method actor.  https://youtu.be/RjKNbfA64EE What to do if your face is a little puffy Mary Harron, the director of the film, describes it as “feminist,” which may not be as accurate as saying it relishes all of the most despicable masculine traits. It’s an exercise in rage, lust, vanity, and boredom. I love the message, I love the presentation, and I love the story. The character of Patrick Bateman is as strangely relatable as he is totally alien. Score for American Psycho 10/10 Spoilers for American Psycho Before spoilers, do consider listening to the podcast instead of reading my review. We go very deep into this movie, and it would be a shame for you not to listen to our analysis of it, at least, that’s my opinion. Bateman is an Utterly Insane Narrator Patrick is lots of things, and top of that heap is nuts. He is also our narrator. This is important because the whole way through the movie, we get to see him doing and saying things that are absolutely horrific, and no one seems to bat an eye. Is it because they didn’t hear him, don’t care, or did he actually do that? I think the more important point that this movie makes is, it doesn’t really matter. GOTDAM! Lethal! So much of what we do and say and excuse is completely unacceptable, yet totally accepted in today’s culture. We all have a little Bateman in us. His morning routine is where we start, and boy is it a doozy. He is extremely superficial, vain, and egotistical, and it’s all apparent from the opening scene. Did You know Joker is basically American Psycho? It's true, While American Psycho maybe one of the most unique movies I've ever seen, Joker is essentially the same movie with an antihero who starts from the bottom instead of the top. Bateman is the Boss He tells his receptionist, Jean (Chloe Sevigny), what she should wear. He refuses to marry his fiancé, Evelyn (Reese Witherspoon), because he doesn’t want to take time off work. He threatens to kill his dry cleaner American
Psycho
is, without a doubt, one of my favorite movies of all time. This
thriller is one of the most hilarious and disturbing tongue-in-cheek movies
ever made. 

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American
Psycho
can be found on Netflix right now for free, and just about
everywhere else for a nominal rental fee. 

American
Psycho
Synopsis

This is the story of Patrick Bateman, a Wall Street investment banker who is wealthy, materialistic, and totally insane. As you get to know Bateman, you will realize that you are witnessing an interesting turning point in his life. The emptiness that he feels inside is forcing his addictive habits further into the open than is wise. 

American Psycho Streaming

Watch it on Amazon

By day he
frets about having the perfect business card, or the best suit, or reservations
at the most trendy restaurant. By night he is a psychopathic serial killer. 

But how much of this lunacy is real? With Patrick as our unreliable narrator,
we get a behind the scenes look at the mind of a real nutjob – a true “happy
camper”.

American
Psycho
Review

American Psycho movie poster

American
Psycho
is, in my opinion, a masterpiece that looks directly at the human
condition as it is today. This movie is based on the 1991 Bret Easton Ellis novel by the same name and
is set in the late ’80s, amid the extreme excess and consumerism that marked
the time. And it holds to this day. 

The
restraint shown in this movie is perhaps the most impressive part of an already
very impressive movie. The acting is perfect. To my mind, this is the movie
that put Christian Bale on the map as one of the best
actors we have ever seen, and definitely my favorite method actor. 

https://youtu.be/RjKNbfA64EE
What to do if your face is a little puffy

Mary Harron, the director of the film,
describes it as “feminist,” which may not be as accurate as saying it relishes
all of the most despicable masculine traits. It’s an exercise in rage, lust,
vanity, and boredom.

I love the
message, I love the presentation, and I love the story. The character of
Patrick Bateman is as strangely relatable as he is totally alien.

Score for American
Psycho

10/10

Spoilers for
American Psycho

Before
spoilers, do consider listening to the podcast instead of reading my review.
We go very deep into this movie, and it would be a shame for you not to listen
to our analysis of it, at least, that’s my opinion.

Bateman is an
Utterly Insane Narrator

Patrick is lots
of things, and top of that heap is nuts. He is also our narrator. This is
important because the whole way through the movie, we get to see him doing and
saying things that are absolutely horrific, and no one seems to bat an eye. Is
it because they didn’t hear him, don’t care, or did he actually do that? I
think the more important point that this movie makes is, it doesn’t really
matter.

Patrick Bateman naked tanning
GOTDAM! Lethal!

So much of
what we do and say and excuse is completely unacceptable, yet totally accepted
in today’s culture. We all have a little Bateman in us.

His morning
routine is where we start, and boy is it a doozy. He is extremely superficial,
vain, and egotistical, and it’s all apparent from the opening scene.

Did You know Joker is basically American Psycho?

It’s true, While American Psycho maybe one of the most unique movies I’ve ever seen, Joker is essentially the same movie with an antihero who starts from the bottom instead of the top.

Bateman is
the Boss

He tells
his receptionist, Jean (Chloe
Sevigny
), what she should wear. He refuses to marry his fiancé,
Evelyn (Reese Witherspoon),
because he doesn’t want to take time off work. He threatens to kill his dry cleaner
because she speaks a different language and can’t get some … stains … out of
his bedsheets. It’s clear that Patrick is the boss of his world, and he doesn’t
care who gets hurt because of it.

https://youtu.be/TerDDWpE-iE
Are you trying to say “Bleaching?”

People Don’t
Matter To Bateman

I say that
people don’t matter to Bateman, but people don’t even really matter to each other
in American Psycho. Every character is having an affair with every other
character, and no one seems to mind. All anyone wants is, “…to fit in.” As long
as everyone gets what they want or who they want, they are happy.

American Psycho blood splatter
He’s Just a-rockin’ and a-rollin’!

As I write
this out I am beginning to wonder why I revel so in the abominable messages and
themes of American Psycho. It’s damn depressing that this is somewhat
true of American culture today and for the past several decades. It’s also a
breath of fresh air. It’s nice not to be lied to. It’s fun to see something and
call it what it is – sickening!

Business
Cards DO Matter To Bateman

People may
not matter to Patrick, but things certainly do! The business card scene where
Patrick almost has an aneurysm over his peer’s cards is perhaps one of the most
iconic scenes in all of movie history. The whole movie is one big commercial
for the best suit, real estate, haircut, music, and restaurant.

https://youtu.be/E1nSwpxRuJo
Hello Halberstram, nice tie!

Ironically, Bateman’s tastes are so mainstream and safe that
none of them amount to a hill of beans. Every business card that he fawns over
is the same as the others; every song he enjoys is vapid and painfully pop. It’s
all just consuming to consume.

Bateman Isn’t Really Bateman

Patrick is only himself for about half of the movie. The
rest of the time, he charades around as Paul Allen (while banging and killing
prostitutes) or Marcus Halberstram. In-fact his own lawyer mistakes him for
someone called Davis at the end of the movie, suggesting that no one even knows
who anyone is. At least, the idea of Bateman, as he says, isn’t real. It’s just
an idea, an inkling of the murderous, disgusting, letch that haunts us all. Who
is Patrick? Does it really matter?

https://youtu.be/Ruw9fsh3PNY
When you want to be someone else, you just kill them and pretend to be them – right?

American Psycho Ending Explained

There is lots of speculation to this day about what exactly
happens at the end of American Psycho. It’s confusing! He has spent so
much time lying to the audience, having delusions, maybe killing people, acting
as others, it’s hard to know. Many people suppose that he did all of the
murders that everything is the truth.

https://youtu.be/gE6AVp-2Jic
Good joke! Saying you killed all those people!

Others say that none of it happened, that we are witnessing
the mind of a sick man, a psycho. Some say that it’s some amalgamation of the
two.

I would pose that the point of the American Psycho ending is to say that it doesn’t matter at all. Whether it was a total farce or completely real, it’s real enough in our society. It’s a thought experiment meant to make you ask what part you play in this fucked up world. How much of Bateman lives inside you?

Final Recommendations

This is a fabulous film. Although it will leave the faint of heart and empathetic queasy, it’s still worth the watch. I whole-heartedly recommend this film to everyone who is interested in having a little peak at insanity.

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American Psycho is, without a doubt, one of my favorite movies of all time. This thriller is one of the most hilarious and disturbing tongue-in-cheek movies ever made.  Skip to Intro - 0:34Skip to Trailer - 4:37Skip to Synopsis 6:38Skip to Re... American
Psycho is, without a doubt, one of my favorite movies of all time. This
thriller is one of the most hilarious and disturbing tongue-in-cheek movies
ever made. 







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Oh my God, @Dgoebel00 on INSTA provided this amazing pic. Check him out on his site as well.



American
Psycho can be found on Netflix right now for free, and just about
everywhere else for a nominal rental fee. 



American
Psycho Synopsis



This is the story of Patrick Bateman, a Wall Street investment banker who is wealthy, materialistic, and totally insane. As you get to know Bateman, you will realize that you are witnessing an interesting turning point in his life. The emptiness that he feels inside is forcing his addictive habits further into the open than is wise. 





American Psycho StreamingWatch it on AmazonClick Here to Watch











By day he
frets about having the perfect business card, or the best suit, or reservations
at the most trendy restaurant. By night he is a psychopathic serial killer. 




But how much of this lunacy is real? With Patrick as our unreliable narrator,
we get a behind the scenes look at the mind of a real nutjob – a true “happy
camper”.



American
Psycho Review







American
Psycho is, in my opinion, a masterpiece that looks directly at the human
condition as it is today. This movie is based on the 1991 Bret Easton Ellis novel by the same name and
is set in the late ’80s, amid the extreme excess and consumerism that marked
the time. And it holds to this day. 



The
restraint shown in this movie is perhaps the most impressive part of an already
very impressive movie. The acting is perfect. To my mind, this is the movie
that put Christian Bale on the map as one of the best
actors we have ever seen, and definitely my favorite method actor. 




https://youtu.be/RjKNbfA64EE
What to do if your face is a little puffy



Mary Harron, the director of the film,
describes it as “feminist,” which may not be as accurate as saying it relishes
all of the most despicable masculine traits. It’s an exercise in rage, lust,
vanity, and boredom.



I love the
message, I love the presentation, and I love the story. The character of
Patrick Bateman is as strangely relatable as he is totally alien.



Score for American
Psycho



10/10



Spoilers for
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Patreon Sneak Peak: American Pyscho Afterpod https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/11/30/patreon-sneak-peak-american-pyscho-afterpod/ Sun, 01 Dec 2019 00:50:11 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3463 We decided it would be a good idea for all you regular listeners to get a taste of the exclusive Patreon content, and let you know that there is a whole lot more where that came from! This Afterpod was recorded with our guest who we had on for the American Psycho review that will be released later this week - my buddy Marc! Every post needs a picture but we don't prepare very well. Listen to us wax about what makes a horror movie a horror movie, what "feminist movies" do wrong, and what we did for Thanksgiving. As always, click the green Patreon button at the top of the page to become a Patreon member for more exclusive content! We decided it would be a good idea for all you regular listeners to get a taste of the exclusive Patreon content, and let you know that there is a whole lot more where that came from!

This Afterpod was recorded with our guest who we had on for the American Psycho review that will be released later this week – my buddy Marc!

David Day Horror Movie Talk host
Every post needs a picture but we don’t prepare very well.

Listen to us wax about what makes a horror movie a horror movie, what “feminist movies” do wrong, and what we did for Thanksgiving.

As always, click the green Patreon button at the top of the page to become a Patreon member for more exclusive content!

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We decided it would be a good idea for all you regular listeners to get a taste of the exclusive Patreon content, and let you know that there is a whole lot more where that came from! This Afterpod was recorded with our guest who we had on for the A... We decided it would be a good idea for all you regular listeners to get a taste of the exclusive Patreon content, and let you know that there is a whole lot more where that came from!



This Afterpod was recorded with our guest who we had on for the American Psycho review that will be released later this week - my buddy Marc!



Every post needs a picture but we don't prepare very well.



Listen to us wax about what makes a horror movie a horror movie, what "feminist movies" do wrong, and what we did for Thanksgiving.



As always, click the green Patreon button at the top of the page to become a Patreon member for more exclusive content!
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ThanksKilling Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/11/27/thankskilling-review/ Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:01:22 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3428 Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Since it's so close to the holiday, we decided to review ThanksKilling this week. It's dumb and bad, but in the best way. In this episode, we give out review, play a round of Taglines, and share what Horror Movie Talk is thankful for. @Dgoebel00 on instagram provided this amazing pic. Follow him for more great horror art. Skip to Intro - 0:23Skip to Trailer - 4:49Skip to Synopsis - 7:53Skip to Review - 8:23Skip to Score - 11:19Skip to Spoilers - 16:38Skip to Taglines - 52:02 Skip to A Horror Movie Talk Thanksgiving - 57:47Skip to Outro - 1:03:38 The full movie of Thankskilling can be found streaming for free on Youtube and also on Amazon Prime. Here is the trailer: https://youtu.be/nPlg9U5YbY4 ThanksKilling Trailer ThanksKilling Synopsis Thankskilling is about a group of “teens” that are terrorized by an ancient killer turkey. The turkey, named Turkie was summoned after the very first Thanksgiving by a disgruntled Native American. Turkie has laid dormant for over 500 years until he is awakened when a dog pees on his grave. A group of friends on their way home for Thanksgiving are then terrorized by the fowl fowl. They then band together and work to destroy the homicidal turkey. Watch ThanksKillingStream it on AmazonClick here to Watch Review of ThanksKilling This movie is not a great movie. It’s actually pretty terrible. But it does hit the sweet spot of being bad enough to enjoy, which is exactly what they were going for. The acting is bad, and the writing is awful, but there are some shining moments. Any scene that features the killer turkey is very entertaining, mostly because it’s so cheap and stupid. But, I’m a sucker for cheap and stupid, so the steady drip of Turkie moments kept the viewing experience from being completely miserable. It’s only 66 minutes long, but you will definitely feel every second of that 66 minutes. Considering this movie was filmed on a budget of $3500, it is actually a rousing success. Score for ThanksKilling 3/10 Spoilers for ThanksKilling Click to see spoilers The Opening This movie has what I call a strong opening. The very first image, even before the soundtrack plays is a big 'ol boob. Just one. Taking up the whole frame. Then it pans back to a frightened Pilgrim woman with chest exposed running away from an unseen terror. When she trips, the villain is revealed. A demonic turkey utters the first line of the movie: Nice Tits Bitch!-Turkie And then a feathered hand raises holding a bloody axe and comes down killing the chesty milkmaid. Cultural Appropriation The legend of Turkie is that he was summoned by a disgruntled Native American to murder the pilgrims. He is essentially eternal, but only kills every 505 years. In the current generation, Turkie is summoned by his grave being peed on by a dog. Please note that Turkie's grave marker is a tiny totem pole. This is, I assume, because it is a close approximation of a cross? The Crew You can't get more generic than the horror archetypes in this movie: Johnny Football - JohhnyNerd Guy - DarrenHick - BillySlut - AliNot Slut - Kristen I make fun, but it’s shocking how even terrible writing and filmmaking is improved with strong and even cliche character types. You may laugh at how dumb the characters are, but at least you know the characters. Best Scenes The best scenes are any that involve Turkie. However, the best of these are those with Turkie and Kristen's father, and then the resulting disguised Turkie that wears the fathers face. Give Daddy a kiss... Final Recommendations If you are looking for schlocky horror this Thanksgiving, look no further than ThanksKilling. It's bad enough to be enjoyable, and short enough to not thoroughly overstay it's welcome. Trust us, we've reviewed worse. Here's to independent horror! Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Since it’s so close to the holiday, we decided to review ThanksKilling this week. It’s dumb and bad, but in the best way. In this episode, we give out review, play a round of Taglines, and share what Horror Movie Talk is thankful for.

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The full movie of Thankskilling can be found streaming for free on Youtube and also on Amazon Prime. Here is the trailer:

https://youtu.be/nPlg9U5YbY4
ThanksKilling Trailer

ThanksKilling Synopsis

Thankskilling is about a group of “teens” that are terrorized by an ancient killer turkey. The turkey, named Turkie was summoned after the very first Thanksgiving by a disgruntled Native American. Turkie has laid dormant for over 500 years until he is awakened when a dog pees on his grave. A group of friends on their way home for Thanksgiving are then terrorized by the fowl fowl. They then band together and work to destroy the homicidal turkey.

Watch ThanksKilling

Stream it on Amazon

Review of ThanksKilling

This movie is not a great movie. It’s actually pretty terrible. But it does hit the sweet spot of being bad enough to enjoy, which is exactly what they were going for. The acting is bad, and the writing is awful, but there are some shining moments. Any scene that features the killer turkey is very entertaining, mostly because it’s so cheap and stupid. But, I’m a sucker for cheap and stupid, so the steady drip of Turkie moments kept the viewing experience from being completely miserable. It’s only 66 minutes long, but you will definitely feel every second of that 66 minutes. Considering this movie was filmed on a budget of $3500, it is actually a rousing success.

Score for ThanksKilling

3/10

Spoilers for ThanksKilling

Click to see spoilers

The Opening

This movie has what I call a strong opening. The very first image, even before the soundtrack plays is a big ‘ol boob. Just one. Taking up the whole frame.

Then it pans back to a frightened Pilgrim woman with chest exposed running away from an unseen terror. When she trips, the villain is revealed.

A demonic turkey utters the first line of the movie:

Nice Tits Bitch!

-Turkie

And then a feathered hand raises holding a bloody axe and comes down killing the chesty milkmaid.

Cultural Appropriation

The legend of Turkie is that he was summoned by a disgruntled Native American to murder the pilgrims. He is essentially eternal, but only kills every 505 years.

In the current generation, Turkie is summoned by his grave being peed on by a dog. Please note that Turkie’s grave marker is a tiny totem pole. This is, I assume, because it is a close approximation of a cross?

The Crew

You can’t get more generic than the horror archetypes in this movie:

  • Johnny Football – Johhny
  • Nerd Guy – Darren
  • Hick – Billy
  • Slut – Ali
  • Not Slut – Kristen

I make fun, but it’s shocking how even terrible writing and filmmaking is improved with strong and even cliche character types. You may laugh at how dumb the characters are, but at least you know the characters.

Best Scenes

The best scenes are any that involve Turkie. However, the best of these are those with Turkie and Kristen’s father, and then the resulting disguised Turkie that wears the fathers face.

Give Daddy a kiss…

Final Recommendations

If you are looking for schlocky horror this Thanksgiving, look no further than ThanksKilling. It’s bad enough to be enjoyable, and short enough to not thoroughly overstay it’s welcome. Trust us, we’ve reviewed worse. Here’s to independent horror!

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Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Since it's so close to the holiday, we decided to review ThanksKilling this week. It's dumb and bad, but in the best way. In this episode, we give out review, play a round of Taglines, Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Since it's so close to the holiday, we decided to review ThanksKilling this week. It's dumb and bad, but in the best way. In this episode, we give out review, play a round of Taglines, and share what Horror Movie Talk is thankful for.







@Dgoebel00 on instagram provided this amazing pic. Follow him for more great horror art.



* Skip to Intro - 0:23* Skip to Trailer - 4:49* Skip to Synopsis - 7:53* Skip to Review - 8:23* Skip to Score - 11:19* Skip to Spoilers - 16:38* Skip to Taglines - 52:02 * Skip to A Horror Movie Talk Thanksgiving - 57:47* Skip to Outro - 1:03:38







The full movie of Thankskilling can be found streaming for free on Youtube and also on Amazon Prime. Here is the trailer:




https://youtu.be/nPlg9U5YbY4
ThanksKilling Trailer



ThanksKilling Synopsis



Thankskilling is about a group of “teens” that are terrorized by an ancient killer turkey. The turkey, named Turkie was summoned after the very first Thanksgiving by a disgruntled Native American. Turkie has laid dormant for over 500 years until he is awakened when a dog pees on his grave. A group of friends on their way home for Thanksgiving are then terrorized by the fowl fowl. They then band together and work to destroy the homicidal turkey.





Watch ThanksKillingStream it on AmazonClick here to Watch











Review of ThanksKilling



This movie is not a great movie. It’s actually pretty terrible. But it does hit the sweet spot of being bad enough to enjoy, which is exactly what they were going for. The acting is bad, and the writing is awful, but there are some shining moments. Any scene that features the killer turkey is very entertaining, mostly because it’s so cheap and stupid. But, I’m a sucker for cheap and stupid, so the steady drip of Turkie moments kept the viewing experience from being completely miserable. It’s only 66 minutes long, but you will definitely feel every second of that 66 minutes. Considering this movie was filmed on a budget of $3500, it is actually a rousing success.



Score for ThanksKilling



3/10



Spoilers for ThanksKilling



Click to see spoilers
The Opening



This movie has what I call a strong opening. The very first image, even before the soundtrack plays is a big 'ol boob. Just one. Taking up the whole frame.



Then it pans back to a frightened Pilgrim woman with chest exposed running away from an unseen terror. When she trips, the villain is revealed.







A demonic turkey utters the first line of the movie:



Nice Tits Bitch!-Turkie



And then a feathered hand raises holding a bloody axe and comes down killing the chesty...]]>
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Dawn of the Dead (1978) Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/11/20/dawn-of-the-dead-1978-review/ Wed, 20 Nov 2019 08:01:00 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3407 We saw Dawn of the Dead for free on Youtube because it’s available for free on youtube. This is a Patreon request, so if you want to have a say in what we review, join our Patreon and you will get to weigh in on what we review once a month. This movie is the classic sequel to Night of the Living Dead by George A. Romero that really upped the ante on the zombie concept, and shock factor of the time.  Skip to Intro - 0:37Skip to Trailer - 7:35Skip to Synopsis - 8:31Skip to Review - 10:06Skip to Score - 15:46Skip to Spoilers - 23:23Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:01:44Skip to It Came From Social Media - 1:16:00 Skip to Horror Movie News - 1:09:11 Skip to Outro - 1:16:55 @Dgoebel00 on INSTA provided this amazing pic. Check him out on his site as well. One of our listeners called us "Moronic Man Children", and they are depicted here as a zombie writing in their own blood...Don't cross us! https://youtu.be/FlQ_DgOPrBg Dawn of the Dead Synopsis Dawn of the Dead starts in an emergency broadcast television station with lots of disarray and confusion before it settles on some National Guard troops who have set upon some public housing with an outbreak of zombies.  Pretty soon the movie settles in on the lives of four individuals - two National Guard members (Peter played by Ken Foree and Roger played by Scott H. Reiniger), a traffic reporter (Stephen played by David Emge), and his TV Exec girlfriend (Francine played by Gaylen Ross). This group sets their sights on a Mall in the rust belt and try their best to fortify the mall. Eventually, things calm down, and life returns to ), pace before outside forces beyond their control throw everything into disarray. One of the most iconic movie posters ever, Dawn of the Dead Dawn of the Dead Review The time has passed for Dawn of the Dead to be a shocking movie, while it was crucial to the horror genre in upping the stakes of gore and satire, it’s just not that impressive anymore. What Dawn is still good at is taking a hard look at the human condition and posing the question of what would you do in the event of a zombie apocalypse.  There was a period where I watched every single zombie movie I could get my hands on with the intent of breaking down my own obsession with building a firm tactical plan for some such zombie occasion. Goofy? Yes, but man was it satisfying building “fool-proof” plans that my friends would tear apart with zombie-like fervor. Buy Dawn of the DeadBuy it on AmazonClick here to buy Dawn of the Dead is an important movie, and it’s has a historical place in the vaults of horror, but it’s slow for today, and it’s not that shocking when you compare it to any modern horror. Like I mentioned, it does do a great job of exploring the human condition and posing fun and interesting questions about all kinds of societal ailments.  For anyone who wants to check it out today who hasn’t seen it or hasn’t seen it for several decades, remember to parse it through the lense of “this came out in 1978”. https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/06/19/the-dead-dont-die-review/ Check out or review of this OTHER zombie movie! Score for Dawn of the Dead 8/10 Spoilers for Dawn of the Dead Click to Expand Spoilers Dawn of the Dead is a pretty barebones movie and as such, there isn’t much to spoil. People living in zombie hellscape, find mall, settle down, are overrun by biker gang. “But David, there is so much more to this movie than just that story structure!” I agree! Most of what Dawn of the Dead brings to the table is conversation fodder and philosophical debates. So let’s take a look at some of the more interesting talking points that are found in Dawn. We Are Already Zombies! This is a theme that we are presented with a few times. Why are these zombies here at the mall? Why are they picking up items and using them in a vain attempt to act human? Because this is what they know, this is what is familiar to them. We saw Dawn
of the Dead
for free on Youtube because it’s available for free on youtube.
This is a Patreon request, so if you want to have a say in what we review, join
our Patreon and you will get to weigh in on what we review once a month. This
movie is the classic sequel to Night of the Living Dead by George A. Romero that really upped the ante on the zombie concept,
and shock factor of the time. 

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Dawn of the Dead cartoon of Horror Movie Talk Moronic Man Children
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https://youtu.be/FlQ_DgOPrBg

Dawn of the Dead Synopsis

Dawn of the Dead starts in
an emergency broadcast television station with lots of disarray and confusion
before it settles on some National Guard troops who have set upon some public
housing with an outbreak of zombies. 

Pretty soon the movie
settles in on the lives of four individuals – two National Guard members (Peter
played by Ken Foree and Roger played by Scott H. Reiniger), a traffic reporter (Stephen played by David Emge), and his TV Exec girlfriend (Francine played by Gaylen Ross). This group sets their sights on a Mall in the
rust belt and try their best to fortify the mall. Eventually, things calm down,
and life returns to ), pace before outside forces beyond their control throw
everything into disarray.

Dawn of the Dead movie poster
One of the most iconic movie posters ever, Dawn of the Dead

Dawn of the Dead Review

The time has passed for Dawn
of the Dead
to be a shocking movie, while it was crucial to the horror
genre in upping the stakes of gore and satire, it’s just not that impressive
anymore. What Dawn is still good at is taking a hard look at the human
condition and posing the question of what would you do in the event of a zombie
apocalypse. 

There was a
period where I watched every single zombie movie I could get my hands on with
the intent of breaking down my own obsession with building a firm tactical plan
for some such zombie occasion. Goofy? Yes, but man was it satisfying building
“fool-proof” plans that my friends would tear apart with zombie-like fervor.

Buy Dawn of the Dead

Buy it on Amazon

Dawn of the
Dead
is an important movie, and it’s has a historical place in the
vaults of horror, but it’s slow for today, and it’s not that shocking when you
compare it to any modern horror. Like I mentioned, it does do a great job of
exploring the human condition and posing fun and interesting questions about
all kinds of societal ailments. 

For anyone
who wants to check it out today who hasn’t seen it or hasn’t seen it for
several decades, remember to parse it through the lense of “this came out in 1978”.

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/06/19/the-dead-dont-die-review/
Check out or review of this OTHER zombie movie!

Score for Dawn of the Dead

8/10

Spoilers for Dawn of the Dead

Click to Expand Spoilers

Dawn of the Dead is a pretty barebones movie and as
such, there isn’t much to spoil. People living in zombie hellscape, find mall,
settle down, are overrun by biker gang. “But David, there is so much more to
this movie than just that story structure!” I agree! Most of what Dawn of
the Dead
brings to the table is conversation fodder and philosophical debates.
So let’s take a look at some of the more interesting talking points that are
found in Dawn.

We Are Already Zombies!

This is a theme that we are presented with a few times. Why
are these zombies here at the mall? Why are they picking up items and using
them in a vain attempt to act human? Because this is what they know, this is
what is familiar to them. When you boil that down, what these zombies knew
before death was just going to the mall and buying stuff, the real terror
starts to set-in. We are just slaves to commercialism!

Our very purpose is to consume what is put in front of us
until we die and have to eat brains! Ok, maybe not that brains part, but still.

What’s even scarier is that our four alive protagonists do
the same damn thing!
They play in the mall and have a great time until the
novelty wears off, and they start to fall into the rut of mall life. And then
the marauding biker gang came. C’est la vie.

The Death AlleGORY

Zombies take what scares us the most, and shoves it in our
face in the form of an insatiable horde who wants us to join their ranks. They
force us to look at our fear of social collapse and civil unrest.

Unruly mobs scare us. Social unrest scares us. Death scares
us.

Zombies are the personification of all of these things. They
force us to deal with these issues face to face.

The Death Reality

Dawn of the Dead forces us to deal with the real life
issue of death as it enters our life. What do I mean by this, and how is it
different than the death allegory? I mean the fact that at some point in every
single zombie movie you are invested in the protagonists, and at least a few of
them become zombies that the group has to “deal with”. The protagonists turn,
against their will, into the antagonists.

And once you realize that, you place yourself in that
position, often with a group of friends or family members and you ask yourself,
“Could I do it? Could I put down my friend/lover/parent?”

Ken Foree in Dawn of the Dead
Hard to think of hurting a loved one? Yep.

The Strategic Mind of Zombie Preppers

Look – if you haven’t found someone to talk about strategy
and tactics for the eventual zombie apocalypse, just hit me up! This is one of
the best parts of zombie movies, figuring out how you would handle yourself and
your family in the event of an outbreak. I’ve reached such a fevered pitch in
this arena that I am actually outfitting my truck to be able to double as a
zombie bug-out vehicle (if you talk to my wife, it’s a family camper) for just
such an occasion.

Dawn of the Dead does a great job of taking the “what
would you do” portion of the zombie problem and taking it to the extreme right
away. Well, first off, you have to think about your party. You need good cohesion
and morale, and it helps to have some people who know their way around
firearms.

Next, you need a diverse array of skills. We are talking
about people who can pilot a helicopter, who maybe have a CDL for handling
those big semis with double clutches and people who know their way around
communications equipment. Dawn of the Dead gives us all of that.

Finally, we need someone who understands how to fortify a structure or location for optimal living in a zombie-infested world.

Dawn has all of the above in spades.

Seriously, if you want to talk about zombie tactics, please
reach out to me on this site or any of our social media.

Final Recommendations

If you are a fan of classic horror movies or
zombie films, this is not only good; it’s still the standard today. Dawn of
the Dead
and it’s predecessor, Night of the Living Dead basically
define zombie movies, check them out. Also Check out the 2004 remake of Dawn,
which was written by Romero and James Gunn, and was the first feature length
movie directed by Zack Snyder. All of them are iconic and interesting and
really make you question what it is to be human.

Horror Movie News

If you listen to our podcast (find the player at
the top of this post), you will hear some horror movie news at the end of the
show. Here are the links to those stories:

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of the Dead for free on Youtube because it’s available for free on youtube.
This is a Patreon request, so if you want to have a say in what we review, join
our Patreon and you will get to weigh in on what we review once a month. This
movie is the classic sequel to Night of the Living Dead by George A. Romero that really upped the ante on the zombie concept,
and shock factor of the time. 







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Dawn of the Dead Synopsis



Dawn of the Dead starts in
an emergency broadcast television station with lots of disarray and confusion
before it settles on some National Guard troops who have set upon some public
housing with an outbreak of zombies. 



Pretty soon the movie
settles in on the lives of four individuals - two National Guard members (Peter
played by Ken Foree and Roger played by Scott H. Reiniger), a traffic reporter (Stephen played by David Emge), and his TV Exec girlfriend (Francine played by Gaylen Ross). This group sets their sights on a Mall in the
rust belt and try their best to fortify the mall. Eventually, things calm down,
and life returns to ), pace before outside forces beyond their control throw
everything into disarray.



One of the most iconic movie posters ever, Dawn of the Dead



Dawn of the Dead Review



The time has passed for Dawn
of the Dead to be a shocking movie, while it was crucial to the horror
genre in upping the stakes of gore and satire, it’s just not that impressive
anymore. What Dawn is still good at is taking a hard look at the human
condition and posing the question of what would you do in the event of a zombie
apocalypse. 



There was a
period where I watched every single zombie movie I could get my hands on with
the intent of breaking down my own obsession with building a firm tactical plan
for some such zombie occasion. Goofy? Yes, but man was it satisfying building
“fool-proof” plans that my friends would tear apart with zombie-like fervor.





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The Shining Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/11/13/the-shining-review/ Wed, 13 Nov 2019 08:01:32 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3378 This week, we are reviewing the prequel to Doctor Sleep, Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece, and Stephen King's least favorite adaptation of his work: The Shining. Plue we have a big announcement in "It Came From Social Media" and play another round of "Horror or Porno". Skip to Intro - 0:55Skip to Trailer - 6:24Skip to Synopsis - 8:46Skip to Review - 11:01Skip to Score - 13:23Skip to Spoilers - 25:22Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:14:03Skip to It Came From Social Media - 1:16:00 Skip to Horror or Porno - 1:21:23Skip to Outro - 1:38:41 https://youtu.be/5Cb3ik6zP2I Synopsis of The Shining The Shining is the tale of an aspiring writer Jack Torrence (Jack Nicholson) taking his wife Wendy (Shelley Duvall), and son Danny (Some kid named Danny) to The Overlook Hotel. It lies secluded, deep within the heavily forested mountains of Colorado. He is hired to be the caretaker of The Overlook in the winter off-season. While there he intends to write the next great american novel whose protagonist is worn down by the pressures of capitalism and the lack of leisure time. Meanwhile Danny Torrence is tutored by a magical negro about Danny’s ability to see the future and read minds. Also, the hotel is haunted and Jack goes crazy. Do you really not know the plot to THE SHINING? https://youtu.be/WJfhB3Vj_G8 Review of The Shining OK, here we go. I appreciate this movie. It is one of Kubrick’s masterpieces. It’s visually stunning and meticulously crafted. It’s undeniably an great and important movie. I just don’t like it. It’s slow. The characters are empty shells of people that lack most semblance of humanity and motivation, other than to: be scared, or be menacing. To be frank, I couldn’t figure out what was going on and why most of the time. The book was better. COME AT ME HORROR FANS, I don’t like your precious SHINING. Original artwork by Dustin Goebel whose Instagram you should follow @Dgoebel00 Score for The Shining Score 8/10 FIGHT ME. (It should be noted that this is the opinion of only one of the hosts of Horror Movie Talk, David gives it a 10/10) The ShiningAdd The Shining to your collection or rent the full movie on Amazon.Buy/Rent from Amazon Spoilers for The Shining Expand for Spoilers Differences Between the Book and the Film The start out, I wanted to talk about the differences between the book The Shining, and the movie The Shining. Dick HalloranIn the book, Dick Halloran lives and ends up being instrumental in saving Wendy and DannyIn the film, Dick gets pretty much instantly murdered, and only helps circumstantially by bringing up the snow cat.The OverlookThe hotel is a real entity in the book, it is very literally trying to consume the Torrence familyIn the film, the hotel seems to be haunted and there are hints that it is steering Jack, but the connection between Jack's psychosis and the hotel is unclear.TonyTony in the book is Danny's "imaginary friend" that talks to him and shows him things. But really, Tony is a spirit that is more of a guardian angel.In the film Tony is... What is tony? He seems to be Danny's subconscience or a spirit possessing him... or something.Hedge Animals (The one welcome change)In the book, there were a bunch of topiary animals that would move and eventually attack Wendy, Danny, and Dick.In the film, the hedge animals don't exist, but there is a hedge maze, which figures into the ending.The EndingIn the book, Jack is distracted by trying to kill his family and forgets to release pressure from the aging boiler in the basement. As a result, the boiler explodes, ripping a hole through the Overlook, and causing it to be burned down to the ground.In the film, Jack gets lost in the hedge maze and freezes to death. https://youtu.be/uGOd_cM_voY Needless to say, Stephen King wasn't a huge fan of the film. Differences in the Doctor Sleep Movie/Book The differences are very interesting given that a sequel to ... This week, we are reviewing the prequel to Doctor Sleep, Stanley Kubrick’s masterpiece, and Stephen King’s least favorite adaptation of his work: The Shining. Plue we have a big announcement in “It Came From Social Media” and play another round of “Horror or Porno”.

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The Shining Poster
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Synopsis of The Shining

The Shining is the tale of an aspiring writer Jack Torrence (Jack Nicholson) taking his wife Wendy (Shelley Duvall), and son Danny (Some kid named Danny) to The Overlook Hotel. It lies secluded, deep within the heavily forested mountains of Colorado. He is hired to be the caretaker of The Overlook in the winter off-season. While there he intends to write the next great american novel whose protagonist is worn down by the pressures of capitalism and the lack of leisure time. Meanwhile Danny Torrence is tutored by a magical negro about Danny’s ability to see the future and read minds. Also, the hotel is haunted and Jack goes crazy. Do you really not know the plot to THE SHINING?

https://youtu.be/WJfhB3Vj_G8

Review of The Shining

OK, here we go. I appreciate this movie. It is one of Kubrick’s masterpieces. It’s visually stunning and meticulously crafted. It’s undeniably an great and important movie.

I just don’t like it.

It’s slow. The characters are empty shells of people that lack most semblance of humanity and motivation, other than to:

  1. be scared, or
  2. be menacing.

To be frank, I couldn’t figure out what was going on and why most of the time. The book was better.

COME AT ME HORROR FANS, I don’t like your precious SHINING.

The Shining Review Featured Image
Original artwork by Dustin Goebel whose Instagram you should follow @Dgoebel00

Score for The Shining

Score 8/10

FIGHT ME.

(It should be noted that this is the opinion of only one of the hosts of Horror Movie Talk, David gives it a 10/10)

The Shining

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Spoilers for The Shining

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Differences Between the Book and the Film

The start out, I wanted to talk about the differences between the book The Shining, and the movie The Shining.

  • Dick Halloran
    • In the book, Dick Halloran lives and ends up being instrumental in saving Wendy and Danny
    • In the film, Dick gets pretty much instantly murdered, and only helps circumstantially by bringing up the snow cat.
  • The Overlook
    • The hotel is a real entity in the book, it is very literally trying to consume the Torrence family
    • In the film, the hotel seems to be haunted and there are hints that it is steering Jack, but the connection between Jack’s psychosis and the hotel is unclear.
  • Tony
    • Tony in the book is Danny’s “imaginary friend” that talks to him and shows him things. But really, Tony is a spirit that is more of a guardian angel.
    • In the film Tony is… What is tony? He seems to be Danny’s subconscience or a spirit possessing him… or something.
  • Hedge Animals (The one welcome change)
    • In the book, there were a bunch of topiary animals that would move and eventually attack Wendy, Danny, and Dick.
    • In the film, the hedge animals don’t exist, but there is a hedge maze, which figures into the ending.
  • The Ending
    • In the book, Jack is distracted by trying to kill his family and forgets to release pressure from the aging boiler in the basement. As a result, the boiler explodes, ripping a hole through the Overlook, and causing it to be burned down to the ground.
    • In the film, Jack gets lost in the hedge maze and freezes to death.
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Needless to say, Stephen King wasn’t a huge fan of the film.

Differences in the Doctor Sleep Movie/Book

The differences are very interesting given that a sequel to the book and a sequel to the movie were created.

So the sequel to the book The Shining includes Dick Halloran being a personal mentor to Danny, and the Overlook no longer existing.

The sequel to the movie uses the source material from the book sequel, but doesn’t have the physical presence of Dick, and does have the Overlook still standing in it. Considering the problems that presents, Mike Flanagan does a great job.

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/11/06/doctor-sleep-review/
Speaking of the sequel, check out our review of Doctor Sleep from last week.

It goes without saying that Jack Nicholson is fantastic in this film. He is 100% Jack.

Shelly Duvall is also iconic in this film. She is also the weirdest proportioned human being on film imo.

The Good Bits

There are a few shining moments in this film, where people act like humans. They are:

  1. Wendy speaking to the pediatrician, and
  2. Dick Halloran speaking with Danny about the shining.

Music is also a huge part of what makes this film work. The score is filled with mid-20th century composers like György Ligeti , Krzysztof Penderecki, and Béla Bartók. The aleatoric music of Penderecki has in particular become the de facto style of modern horror films.

The Confusing Parts

I still have questions about this film. I’ve read the book, which filled in most of the gaps, but really it’s a completely different story. So here are a few things that I still don’t understand what Kubrick was going for:

  • What causes Jack to go insane?
  • What purpose do the ghosts serve in the hotel? To be spooky?
  • What’s up with Tony? Is Danny Possessed? Is it Danny’s Subconcience?
  • The sexual stuff… why? 
  • Why does Dick come back?
  • Why is Jack in that photo at the end?

So really, my beef with this movie is that there isn’t a lot ofconnective tissue, or rather, it does a really bad job of answering “why” things happen.

Final Recommendations

Definitely see The Shining if you haven’t. It is a really important and influential film in the genre and in filmmaking as a whole. However, be prepared to be disappointed that it doesn’t live up to the hype, and like me, you find it slow and emotionally cold.

Horror Movie Talk Episode 71: The Shining Review Transcript

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Get help dot com Hello and welcome to horror movie talk and opinionated and accidentally funny Horror Movie review Show your panel of expert hosts each week are Dr Bryce Hansen, who holds a phD in spook ology, and Professor David Day, the foremost expert on scare. No nose. New theatrical releases always get priority. But we also review older horror movies both good and horrible. I’m Bryce Hanson, and I’m Davide. And we have a special special special guest today. Our friend Aaron Hanson, our friend. Aaron. How are you doing, Aaron? Doing good. Thanks for Kevin. How dare you? Bryce knows I have a new toy, and he’s being the the child that we all know he is and denying the use of it. He’s not gonna allow me to do my my my sound effects. Yeah. So we’re gonna have a lot of clips today because David has has his computer set up now drops. Oh, we’re at risk of too much entertainment. No, no. Watch out. Is the fun patrol. Okay, so, uh, we’ve got a great episode today. I’m super excited about this one. Before we get into it. Let’s talk about our website. It’s at horror movie talk dot com. Please go there and you’ll find past episodes and posts and block post of a horror movie topics and also links to our social media. You can follow us on Facebook. Twitter, instagram, tic tac picked on YouTube you to Lincoln Din. Just search for horror movie talk or horror movie talk podcasting. He’ll find us there. We post new episodes every Wednesday. So please subscribe and leave a rating on iTunes. We’re trying to get up to 200 ASAP, and we’re at, you know, 48 right now. So, uh, you ready? If you leave a rating that it is a big impact on our visibility. So what are we gonna talk about? We’re gonna talk about the Shining. Have been So I’ve been so like, excited for and dreading this episode because Bryce Bryce is not a a cubic fan, and, uh, I don’t know. I’m just I’m just worried. I’m just worried about how this will go. Don’t worry. Okay. Ah, we’ll start out giving a brief review and our score for the movie. We score on a scale of 1 to 10 1 being a miserable dredge where it makes you angry. Five being an average film that hits all the expected marks and 10 being so good it transcends genre boundaries. After we give our score will get into spoilers and take a deeper dive in one into what we liked and hated about the film. Um, you know, it’s the shining. So if you’re if you’re worried about spoilers, yeah, I mean, you know, really shouldn’t. Why are you listening to this show? Should have watched it by now. Right? It’s been years on kind of What kind of pathetic person hasn’t seen the shining It? I mean what? I mean, no one in this room, right? Yeah. We’ve all seen the Shining. Yeah, later will be doing a couple special special bits. I’m really excited about this one we’re going to do it came from social Media, where we’ll read a couple comments from our social media feeds on people reaching out to us. And then, yes, it returns horror or porno. Theo. The last time we played this, Aaron was also a special guest on the show. That was for the already or not show. You’ve done this on purpose. There’s one or two things happening either either. I mean, either the porno is following Aaron around or she’s bringing it here with this thing is not the case. This is just basically the only thing that gets us in the mood anymore. Is that your movie or a porno on the podcast. Yeah, You gotta listen to this Really necessary for a relationship at this point, those screams and suffering, and then you just like it’s time to go. So if you’ve never listened a horror porno the game before, buckle up and we definitely earn are not safe for work. Yeah, connotation. Yeah. This is a great game. I’m very excited. Now. You just do it when I’m on so that you know, I can’t recommend it to any of my friends. Yeah, exactly. Well, I don’t know. Maybe still recommend. Yeah. See, that’s one of the problems with me sharing the podcast with my network on Facebook because it’s all just chock full of Mormons. It’s like, Well, I’m got, like, 500 friends that are Mormon and, like the story that are not you say that like it’s a problem. But Utah has the biggest porn porn usage per of any state in all of the United States. Is that true? That is 100% true, according to Pornhub statistics. Interesting. Yeah. So this week we watch the shining, and it’s pretty good. Hello. Oh, wait. What? Really? Here is the trailer. I don’t suppose they told you anything in Denver about the tragedy we had up here during the winter of 1970? Well, a man named Charles Grady is the winter caretaker. He came up here with his wife and two little girls think Muddy. From what I’ve been told me, he seemed like a completely normal individual. But at some point during the winter, he must have suffered some kind of a complete mental breakdown. Ran a muck, killed his family with an ax. You can rest assured, Mr Own. And that’s not gonna happen with me. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I guess so. For some people, solitude, isolation, Johnny the Shining is available to rent on most streaming platforms. But if your horror movie fan, you should probably have this on DVD line around anyways. It’s the shining, right? Yeah. Um, so let’s give it snaps. The Shining is a tale of an aspiring writer, Jack Torrance, played by Jack Nicholson, taking his wife, Wendy, played by Shelley Duvall. Hello. I’m Shelley Duvall on and, uh, thanks, Shelly. She’s a special guest today, and, ah, his son Danny played by some kid named Danny, and he takes them to the Overlook hotels. It lies secluded deep within the heavily forested mountains of Colorado. He’s hired to be the caretaker of the Overlook in the winter off season. While there, he intends to write the next Great American novel, whose protagonist is worn down by the pressures of capitalism and the lack of leisure time. Meanwhile, Danny Torrance is tutored by a magical Negro about Danny’s ability to see into the future and read minds. Also, the hotel is haunted and Jack goes crazy. Do you really not know what the plot of the shining is? It’s the shining. It is that. Is that true? I’m just a little taken aback by your usage of of, um, the word, uh, the shining. No, that’s a trope. The magical Negro. You never heard of that before? No. Yeah. You need to defend yourself immediately. Well, yeah, like the legend of Bagger Vance. Like where it’s or driving Miss Daisy where you know, white people are. You have all these problems and their life is out of order. And then some super folksy African American person enters their life and solved all their problems and teaches them how to love again, or something like that. Oh, so it’s a trope. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But also, he is magical. And he is a Negro. That is, it’s the most direct A representation of that trophy there could possibly be. I’m sad that the the joke fell flat of the of the novel. I’m gonna be honest. Whose protagonist was worn down by the pressures of capitalism in the lack of leisure time. Well, I mean, man, I love this movie so much. Uh, there’s so many different things about this movie that All right, calm down. Okay, here we go. I appreciate this movie. It is one of the It is one of Kubrick’s masterpiece is It’s visually stunning and meticulously crafted. It’s undeniably a great and important movie. I just don’t like it proves you it’s slow. The characters are empty shells of people that lack most semblance of humanity and motivation other than a to be scared or B to be menacing. And to be frank, I couldn’t figure out what was going on or why. Most of the time the book was better. Come at me, horror fans. I don’t like your pressure shiny. Wow. I mean, it’s just it’s It’s I mean the real lesson to learn in this show is it’s OK to be wrong, which is which is to say that everybody’s taste is very different and and sometimes we get people who are very angry at us. And you come at us about very strange things that are like they’re like, What? What? What was It was the guy, The guy I really liked the curse a la Llorona, but hated like terrified. And it was like terrified is objectively terrible movie. But the curse of La Llorona, though wow, really itch on my body was scratched up. OK, you fucking lunatic. He was He was really concerned for people that would listen to our show and take our advice and not see the curse of law. You’re ona that he thought, like we’re leading people away from really great or movies, which is fair. He’s got a different taste in us. Yeah, he’s like you. He’s just like you. You know, I liked watching like Siskel and Ebert back in the day, and I always disagreed with him, always disagreed with both of them. Like a lot of the time. I would usually disagree with critics when I was growing up, Um, so I mean, I don’t feel bad about it, but when it gets to vitriol when they’re like, these guys are fucking idiots. How dare they not like, first of all, your own? A. That’s just so telling of them, you know? I mean, it’s it’s just a taste thing. Yeah, it’s just a taste this anyways, the shining is terrible way. What did you give it? Oh, yeah, we gotta give the score. I give it an eight out of 10. Fight me. That wasn’t terrible. Yeah, that doesn’t sound like someone. I mean, it’s a good movie. It’s, you know, it’s a classic. It’s visually stunning. It’s amazing to watch in terms of filmmaking and craft, but storytelling leaves much to be desired. Seen my opinion? Seems so, uh, this movie. I feel like this movie’s responsible for my taste in in horror. Yeah, it’s hugely influential to and and I watched it when I was very young. Ah, it may have been one of the first. It may have been the first horror movie I ever saw, and, um, and and there was so much about it that was mysterious and vague and And that in and of itself was creepy to me. And not only creepy, but like, titillating like it made. It made me think about it, all that, you know, it may be like, Oh, what was that? What? What was that? What was that? And so you go back to the movie hoping that you you get something more from it, and but and in each time you would. But he would still be mysterious and in clinical and cold and weird. And it’s just it’s what I love Now you know, it’s almost like it. It recreates that feeling of when you’re a kid and you’re seeing something that’s inappropriate and you just cannot process it or understand it exactly. Even as an adult, it’s exactly that you watch it and you’re like, I don’t understand what’s going on. Yeah, yeah, it’s just this is just this vague wash of like terror and unease and just like Whoa! Hey, what? Wait a minute. What the fuck was that like? And then it really builds into and the music killed me as a kid, like it was like, you know, all those strings and all, and just so much intensity with the heartbeat and like, yeah, so what do you give it? Oh, this is the most solid 10 I’ve ever given, Aaron. Um, well, it is purpose that eyes this. This is the first time you’ve seen way Watched it days ago, three days ago, I had never seen it. I mean, I’ve seen clips and parodies, and but I have seen it start to finish, but yeah, it was. I mean, I can see why it’s beloved by so many people. And at the same time, I there were a couple moments. It’s story wise that I kind of shook my head and it’s like, Well, that was abrupt and there was no really leading to it Other than foreshadowing liken our previous. But I don’t know, it’s I’d say filmmaking wise brings it up a notch for me, just the mastery of it. So I’d probably say, nine out of 10 9 being the reflection of like there I feel like there should be a clear like story that, if that that you should at least understood. Even if you don’t understand what’s happening, you should understand the character’s motivations for what’s happening or you understand their motivations. But you don’t understand what’s happening. And I don’t think either one of those things occurred. Yeah, and we should. We should also mention that for those of you who aren’t who haven’t listened to Aaron, she’s been on a few episodes. I think you were on hereditary. And then also ready or not, Yeah, Hereditary was just like a special interview. She she wasn’t on the regular podcast, most of it. And Aaron is, of course, prices wife, and she is not a big horror fan. So she it’s like pulling teeth, getting her to watch a horror movie. So the context of getting her to watch the shining was that she saw a trailer starring the dreamy Ewan McGregor on She was like, Well, I got to see Dr Sleep So I want to see that which is on the face just completely shocking to me. I had to like I had to just dragger to see Interview with the vampire like that is the level of discomfort. Wait, what was in that movie released in 1994. Yeah. Oh, wait. Yeah, I was like, I was just really like she really dislike score movies you took. Wait, you took Aaron to see Vacher make her watch. Okay? He said he said, drag her too. So I was like, What? Have you guys drag her to the living room for ever? Um, what was the so anyways? The context was she wanted to see Dr Sleep, and she felt like she needed to see the Shining to understand it, which you don’t. But I definitely jumped at the opportunity to get her to watch the Shining so she could be on the episode today. Yeah, in terms of in terms of just being scared or feeling, feeling worried and that kind of thing as someone who’s not really a horror movie fan. How did the shining hit you? Um well, I think I was kind of ruined by, you know, 39 years of parody and endlich clips. But, um, I mean, the most shocking part is when Jack is like full psychopath mare, and that’s like the only thing you see it from the movie. I don’t know. The movie is so disconcerting to me. It’s It’s like I don’t know. There’s something so strange about a little kid riding around in a big, empty hotel and then he likes stops. And then the blood gets off the elevator and you’re like, What the fuck was that? No, that was It was definitely disturbing. And, um, I think there’s more instead of frightening, it was more just disturbing and uneasiness and then seeing the I won’t say a descent into madness because it was a hard left hand. But the, uh I mean, just seeing, like the setup for it and then the super weird sex scene with the dead person and are almost sexy. And I should say And then I don’t know, it just seemed like make out. We’ll talk about it later. But it wasn’t it wasn’t frightening. Yeah, I mean, she she didn’t really? Well, yeah, it’s not a movie that a non horror movie person would hate because it’s it’s pretty. Well, here’s that’s pretty tame compared to hereditary. Here’s the thing, Though. Internet Aaron has always done well. Yeah, in my experience with hereditary. No, she’s great. It’s just she just does not like the feeling of being scared. Of course. Does not like the feeling of dread. Yeah, like she does not like living there. Yeah, and that’s just my entire life. So, yeah, it’s like going It’s like wrapping myself in a warm blanket. Warm embrace. Yeah, All right. So let’s ah do mineral real quick. 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On what? On things I need to watch. Like cinematically Thea Other day I was talking to him and he said, You absolutely need toe. Here’s Here’s the things the two things he gave me He was like, You absolutely need to watch the raid to which I think is a Thai movie. Or maybe is that a horror movie? I think that’s an action. It is not a horror movie. It is an action. When he’s like we were talking about Commando and I was like, I action movies and he was like, Yeah, but the raid to this is the best action movie you’ll ever see. The camera works amazing. So I gotta watch that. And then and then also berserk. The the enemy Siri’s from the nineties, I believe, which was a mango thing anyway. So check out dust and he’s got some great stuff. Yeah, let me adjust this thing here real quick, so he does a for each of the posts for the last, like, a month and 1\/2 fish. He’s He’s created a custom artwork for it, and they’re all awesome. I especially like the lighthouse, one where he has bird characters with Siegel shit on him. And what’s the other really funny one that he did the pumpkinhead one with the Yabba Pumpkinhead one was with earbud was that that was great. It was better than that movie dessert. Yeah, it was good. So thanks again for listening and let’s get into spoilers. First of all, we just watched Doctor sleep, too. So that’s the context of this whole thing is that Dr Sleep was coming out. We wanted to shining before it. We usually do. You know the source material, like the original movie if there’s a remake coming out or the original if there’s a sequel coming out and we looked out and there was, ah, Week advanced screening for Dr Sleeps and now we’re doing the shiny Yeah, not that you care about any of this information, but that’s what it is. So let’s talk about first the I guess only I will be talking about this, but the movie versus the book okay for the Shining. Yeah, and we can even talk about the book versus the movie Doctor sleep because there’s a lot of crossover that’s interesting for people that are going to Dr Sleep this week. Aren’t yeah next week or whatever. So the main difference is in, I think the Shining is like Stephen King’s best selling work. Yeah, I think it is the one thing that got him. No, I guess the Kerry probably got him the most attention. I think that was the first, like, really big one. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. But I think the Shining is his number one book. Yeah, ever. And I’ll tell you after I watched the movie, you know, I didn’t I watch The movie is the first time as an adult, So I was in my twenties at least, and I was kind of underwhelmed or just like I. It’s one of those things where you get told something so important over and over again that when you watch it, it could never live up to it. But mostly I was confused. Yeah, and that’s like the taste it left in my mouth. And then I listened to the Audio Book of the Shining and it filled in all of the gaps. I was like, Oh, yeah, it made me see the movie in a different light and I started understanding right that Stanley Kubrick was telling his very own story. He was telling his very own story, but also telling it in like the vibe of it like that. He’s telling the story of seclusion and claustrophobia and insanity with vibe with with vibe and visuals but none of like the establishing story. It’s the same reason why you could never understand. I still don’t understand what the end of 2000 won is supposed to mean a fucking lord of 2001. It’s just he’s a visual artist, but he doesn’t necessarily tie it to a story or like conveying information other than look at how cool this looks look and listen like it’s all looking. Listen stuff, Yeah, So watching the shining and listen listening to you describe like how the book fills in gaps. Um, like, reminded me of reading 2001. A Space Odyssey think is in seventh grade and then watching the movie after we read it in our science class and you read the Shine, the Shining No. 4001. I apologize and uh huh. And still what? Well, it was okay. The teacher, like I walk in on parent orientation night and you know, the whatever orientation night, and he’s got like, various versions of the Enterprise models hanging from the ceiling and Star Trek. The next generation is playing cause it’s six o’clock and it’s on the TV. So anyway, so this is all coming in the front. So we read 2001 and then we watch the movie. And even like at that time, when we were discussing the book, he talked about how Kubrick was not necessarily making an adaptation. He was making a companion right to the book. So, um, I kind of feel like maybe that’s what he was like Maybe doing maybe he was making a companion to the Shining the book, but also, I guess he changed it a lot to make it his own. Yeah, there’s definitely so I think probably one of the best people to explain this is Stephen King himself. I have a clip of Stephen King. I don’t know if you know this or not, but Stephen King hate this movie like he absolutely hates Kubrick. Virgin of the Shine, which blows me away because this because it’s widely regarded to be maybe maybe one of the best horror films ever made ever. Right and use, You know he’s fair. But all of these points that Stephen King makes about Kubrick Shining are all completely valid to me. Like it totally valid, but explains why. Um, I prefer the book over over the movie. Anyways, here’s here. Stephen King talking about his take on the Shining The movie in the novel Shining Jack Torrance is a difficult character, but he’s fundamentally a sympathetic character, and I always visualized him is a piece of metal that’s bent 1st 1 way and the other by these malignant spirits who basically want Hiss son because his son is a psychically powerful person. So I saw these always warm characters characters that were being threatened by forces from without, from ghosts from riel supernatural creatures. And the film is extremely cold. Stanley Kubrick saw The haunting is coming from Jack Torrance from the Jack Nicholson character, whereas I always saw it from outside. So we had a fundamental a difference of opinion about, and I always thought that really difference between my take on it and Stanley Kubrick’s take on It was this. In my novel, the Hotel Burns in Kubrick’s movie, the hotel freezes. It’s a difference between more coal, but the images are striking, there’s no doubt about it. I mean, Jack Nicholson’s face in the doorway, his bearded, crazy printing face says, Here’s Johnny, which was his ad lib, and it became, you know, part of the movie. So the images is striking. But to me, that surface, it’s not substance. So I used to describe the Shining. The film is something like a beautiful car that had no engine in it. This this is so like this is so perfect to me like that. I love that I love. I love everything, Stephen King says. I hate everything he writes typically, but But I mean, the dude like I’ve said it before, did like Amazing Powerhouse of a writer. He’s a great storyteller. Yeah, here’s the thing. A great storyteller. It’s interesting to me that still, he can’t see this as art inspired by art like he’s so wrapped up in his own art that he like that he’s that he’s mad about the story being told in someone else’s. Aren’t that was inspired by Hiss? Yeah, I mean, yes, but it has. The only problem is probably has the name The Shining. It’s one of the most important books for him personally, probably because not just because it’s one of the best selling, but also it’s a pretty personal tale about alcoholism. Yeah, and being a writer and basically peeing on the edge of insanity because of, you know, disease and outside, you know, forces, supposedly And um, yeah, I mean, I would even go this far. It’s Stephen King said that the ending was the difference. Is the book the hotel Burns? I’d say, Instead of the hotel freezes and Stanley Kubrick’s It’s Jack Freeze like that, it really shows the focus of where the story is because in the book it’s It’s the hotel itself has power, and it’s trying to consume the family very literally Night and in the movie. It’s all about Jack Torrance and his inner demons. And then, in the end, it’s just it shows him him dying. And in the book, it’s the hotel dine. So it’s it’s kind of interesting that way. Yeah, I mean, it’s you can’t deny that this movie is very cold. Oh, yeah, absolutely not. Not not just literally, but emotionally. It’s very cold and detached. Yeah, absolutely. And but I mean, you know, and it’s But it’s, you know, I’m I’m an adult child of an alcoholic and and and I experienced alcoholism as a child. And I know that everybody, you know and I’ve talked to many kids or people who have also gone through that, and everyone’s experience is so similar, but also so different, you know, and it’s all. And I mean, maybe that’s just, uh, you know, maybe it’s just speaks to Maybe Q bricks. Experience with alcoholism was very different than kings. Actually, I’m sure it was because because they’re very different people. Yeah, but I knew it was even that the alcoholism is a much bigger part in the book, like it’s a main story point that it’s a source for the reason for why he is watching the Overlook Hotel because he got fired from his teaching job are like lashing out at a student. There is less alcohol in the movie then, then we’ll and it also explains it in the in the book. There’s no alcohol like he’s not consuming alcohol, but he’s acting like right. He is because the hotel is basically getting him drunk off of its off of its power. Um, so a couple things to talk about people that are interested in What’s the difference between the book and the movie The Shining and Dr Sleep? We can talk. I can talk about it briefly together cause I listen to the audio book for both, and I’ve watched both. Now the main differences are in the shining Tony, and this is one of the really confusing parts for me when I first watch it like, What exactly is Tony? Is it something possessing Danny? Or is it Danny Subconscious? Where? It was my impression, just from watching the movie that it was that it was the shine within Danny. Yet in the book, it’s much more specific. Tony is an actual spirit that communicates with Danno, so it’s It’s an imaginary friend that is, apart from Danny and Danny can see and talk with, and that’s that’s how it works, Okay, and then the in the movie, it’s like what? It’s Danny talking in a different voice mints like he’s make believing. It’s like he’s doing a puppet show. It’s like he’s fucked up to begin with. So you’re not it’s not. It’s not detached from Danny at all, right? It is so it’s somehow integrated into Danny. But really, it’s supposed to be his imaginary friend. That’s actually a ghost. Another one, this is Ah, this’d probably a good choice on Stanley Cooper. Expert Big part in the novel was these hedge animals. There is no hedge maze. But there was these hedge animals out in the front, and the hedge animals attacked like and it was all sweetie. The biggest part of menace was these hedge animals. Well, it was really creepy in the book. Like it was used to great effect in that they be like that. Did that hedge animal just move? Did it? Didn’t just start looking at me. You’re talking like topiaries or bushes, okay? And, uh, I’m sorry, Topiaries. She just She just listened to Dr Sleep, and she put me on blast for calling her out for saying u N z a U N. And, uh, her audio book e wing is what he prefers to be called. She’s It’s okay. It’s not your fault. You in your fucking buddies. It’s not your fault being Scottish in Norwegian, us, Welsh and Irish and British like we know. What’s up? Hey, I am Well, you’re Scottish English. I’m all that. And I just say, E wing, Yeah, you in that? Your your snooty and, uh and, uh, condescending. Yeah, And I’m like, Ah, that guy got nothing. The other changes that we’ve already explained. The hotel burns at the end of the book the Shining, which is difficult because in Dr Sleep the movie, you have to adapt a source where the hotel doesn’t exist. Well, so they hotel still exists in the movie, Doctor sleep on dhe, then the other main differences. Dick Hallorann survives in the book. I’m in the movie he’s murdered. So if you’re if you’re Mike Flanagan adapting Dr Sleep and Dr Sleep, the book exists in a world that Dick Hallorann is still alive and mentoring Danny and the Overlook Hotel no longer exists. It gives you some interesting, but I thought that they dealt with it really well. You would not be ableto notice that anything was out of place, the way he handled Dick Hallorann and and the hotel. And I think the hotel in Dr Sleep was very satisfying in the ending. And basically, if you if you know the books, you see that the ending of Dr Sleep. The movie is basically the same as the end of the shining. The book. Yeah, right. Yeah, it’s not being left with shining cue bricks shining on and then having to do Doctor a doctor sleep movie would not be terribly hard because they did leave the hotel intact. And so now you can just have an intact hotel to go to and be spooked out in and then and then blow up. Okay, so that’s enough about the books in the movies. Um, Jack Nicholson is 100% Jack Nickle sentence. He’s full, Full Jack. It’s creepier. I know, right? I really I really love. I was gonna share this leader, but I’ll jump the gun and just share this clip about, um, this isn’t what Ari asked Ari Astor says about the Shining, which is an interesting take Hey mentioned specifically about Jack, the character to which I agree with a SZ for his atmosphere is concerned. Like the Shining was, you know, it was a big one. I kind of I think the Shining is almost more, but it works almost for me more as a comedy than it does a horror film What’s that? You got technical cities like crazy from the beginning, before they even get up to the hotel like he’s ready to kill his family well before he even gets the job you want was being taken on. And then you have, like the title slamming into Monday and Wednesday. He’s gone totally insane. Three days then it was important to me to sort of sustain this doom laden tone where you know something awful is coming. So yeah, he is wrong. It doesn’t happen in three days, but yeah, it’s in the movie. It jumps forward a month, and it’s basically the same. And then Jacko’s and saying within like, three days. But I agree with him like if you if you watch Jack on the car ride to the Overlook, he’s basically like, I want to take this fucking car off the road. I’m gonna give everybody here. Yeah, he’s When you look at Jack Nicholson, you just always assumed that he’s insane. And a psychopath who are on this earth, or at least just supremely sarcastic right. I like he gives off this. He gives off the vibe of like, I get fucked every night. You know, like and twice on Sundays And, like, just and it’s it’s It’s it’s like, ominous, you know, he’s just he’s got that. It’s like super straight Tom Cruise, you know? What are you insinuating? I don’t know if they both have this weird striking to give anything more straight than Tom Cruise. My apologies. Have you ever seen risky business? So, um, Shelley Duvall is the weirdest proportioned human being ever. Hey, you be nice to poor Shelly. Jesus. Hello. I’m Shelley Duvall. I forgot she was here. Um, so sorry. Yeah. Shelley Duvall is She’s she’s greatness. She’s in terms of the character existing solely. Toe look terrified. I can’t think of anyone better than Shelley Duvall. And apparently Kubrick borderline tortured that he tortured her to get those react on the side of this movie to make her to basically give her ptsd. Um, not cool. There’s There’s a few shining moments in this no pun intended for me. And one of them is Shelley Duvall. When, when she’s talking with the child psychiatrist, it’s the pediatrician that comes to check on a pediatrician or whatever. So the there’s there’s just two moments that I can point to where humans act like human people. In this movie, one is Shelley Duvall. Talking to the pediatrician and two is when Dick Hallorann is talking to Danny. Yeah, when he’s sitting with him with the ice cream, those areas like, Look, kid, what’s up? Those were the two most like, resonant human moments where people act like normal people. Yeah, and then the rest of it’s just like I don’t understand, Like what they’re feeling or what’s going on internally with them. Well, Shelley Shelley is provide. I would I would argue that that she has a lot of humanity when she’s scared. Yeah, it’s specifically when she like when she finds what he’s been writing this whole time. And it’s just all all all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy at written a 1,000,000 different ways. And then, like in prose and then, like in straight lines and stuff and she’s like, Who? Shit? And then and then he starts coming at her and she’s got the bat and she’s backing up snaking her way through that room, and she’s like, I don’t know, I’m just really confused. I mean, if you if you if you want someone this acting menacing and someone that’s acting terrified, you will be completely satisfied with this movie. But, um, other than mad like Yeah, yeah, yeah, It’s a standard Q Brick. Uh, right tick. And for me, I do love some Kubrick movie is like, I’m not a huge fan where I’m just all upon Kubrick stick for everything. But what your favorite one of my favorite ones are Clockwork orange. Okay, Like, fabulous. And his coldness works in that one. Yeah. Like, absolutely works. Um and then, um, full metal jacket. Oh, Forman. Oh, yeah, Absolutely. But I mean, I consider that, like to movies like the first, the first movie of full metal jackets, like 11 out of 10. What about you, Aaron? Do you dare You fan of any any Q brick films? I’ve only seen the shining in 2001. And what do you think about 2001? I thought it was great. I really liked it. Well, I read the book too, so I understood what’s happening. And then I got this very nice visual presentations. Not already read. Was that Arthur C. Clarke? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think that my reaction to 2001 was very similar to my reaction of the shining ones like it’s slow and boring and I don’t understand, Like what the story is supposed to be telling right now. You know, stuff happens. Yeah, and I see stuff happening and it looks great, but I don’t know why I should care. Like my family was big were big cubic fans, and so and they were big, Um, symphony fans like symphonic music like Old Classic And so So by virtue of the fact that, like a lot of his movies, had some amazing tracks, we just end up watching them a lot. And so 2001 was like the most like, another very formative movie for me, where I was like Oh my God, what is this? What’s interesting? Kubrick is very particular about everything, like use super particular, and I don’t know if you know this, But he commissioned a composer to write an original soundtrack for 2001 which does exist like completely new music, and what he did was, he said, the film to he like included tracks. I want the the score to sound like these pieces and So he includes a blue Danube he includes, like all the music that’s in the movie now and gives it to the composer composer it kills. It kills it like there’s a full score and Kubrick listens to it. He’s like, I think I like the blue Dan. I think I just like the songs that I picked better and so use that. But you can Sometimes you see concerts of the actual score that was wow created from the shining So cool. Yeah, if you haven’t watched room to 37 that the Yeah, the 3 to 37 is basically, like the equivalent of 9 11 truthers talking about their obsession with the Shining. Yeah, like Kubrick has a master plan where Look at these cans in the back and see the cans of Cal You meant in the background with the Indian head on it that the Native American head on Yeah, that stands for Western expansion. Literally. That’s literally like something that said in that I watched about, like, 30 minutes and then I’m like, Okay, I get like, these people are crazy. It’s like three hours worth of talk about a two and 1\/2 hour movie. Yeah. Um, the music. We were gonna talk about the music. The music in the Shining is a huge part of the impact of the movie. Great. One of the reasons why a lot of the moments work without the music and without the score, this movie would not be talked about. And I should say, I will. You have mentioned. But when this came out, it was a critical failure. People didn’t like it, really. And I don’t think a lot of people that watch it early on liked it either. Because it was different from anything that was done before. Hugely influential now. But, I mean, it’s really interesting Thio here about movies that weren’t received well when it first was released and now is considered a masterpiece. And sometimes I agree with the original audience. I’m like, Yeah, it’s not back. Great. Yeah, yeah, I mean, but then you got silent night, Deadly night that beat out nightmare on Elm Street first week and then got pulled for being too obscene. Yeah. So, um, the both me and Aaron have music, degrees, bachelors and music, and and a lot of the composer’s that air featured on the soundtrack for The Shine in a recognizable 20th century composers, Penderecki is featured in most of the music, which is, if you think about a horror movie soundtrack, it’s gonna sound like Penderecki. And then he’s, like, legit, considered a classical composer of the 20th century. Like, um, academics and music professors like make students study his music. And it sounds like a horror soundtrack, like in your music history classes, like the string stings like the right and the weird kind of timpani sounds. And I’m so Inger Ceramic Buller, the Water Bowl or whatever it is that they hit. I’m so interested in these artists who choose to live their life in this fucking jar space. Oh, man, like you actually like you should listen to. I know you’re not a huge symphony fan, but Penderecki, there’s, ah, he did that thready, right? What was it but like, but artists like HR Geiger, who, you know, inspired did all the inspiration for alien. And in these binned and apparently Penderecki, who just lives in this audio space of terror of just like Oh my God, this is so horrifying. I know. I need to introduce you to some mid century 20th century classical music because it’s like all the Alia Tor IQ and a tonal stuff. I think that you’re all right up your alley. I love I love like Have you listen any like Scott Walker’s Like It’s So Low Career Oh my God, it’s terrifying. There’s there’s there’s pieces where it sounds where it sounds like like wet meat dripping. And it’s and what it is, is it’s him. He has a holding. What? Meet a stripping. If you haven’t seen 30th Century Man, it’s It’s a documentary about about Scott Walker. He died this year, and, uh, and he for this for the set to make this sound. He got like, this slab this half of, ah, of a pig, and he just was punching it, punching it next to a nice microphone. So one the Penderecki piece that I really like is threatening t to the victims of Hiroshima Symphony number three. That’s that’s a really good one, fits Jesus. As you can imagine, some other composers that we found there’s bar talk lickety licky like and bear Leo’s, um, the producer of the dreaded lickety split. Well, okay, so the very first thing you hear in the shining is the d s here a theme, Um, that dun dun Dun Dun Dun, Dun Dun that’s that is old that is centuries old. That theme and it’s like a chant is It’s It’s a chant, and it’s literally the day of, like, judgment. Damn, yes, Oh, it’s It’s intended to frighten the masses and into submission. And, um, like Bear Leo’s uses it to like, um, kind of evoke, like, satanic kind of dark things in his dream of the witches Sabbath. Like which, if you haven’t heard it, you you probably have heard at least part of it. But that’s like the beginning of the shining when they use the synthesized kind of low brass. Low strings combination is really effective because it’s like an organ. Sound almost sounds as if the size from like an electrical or something like that, and it’s for me. It felt like just the sound of it. The way it’s like designed makes me feel like I’m going through a tunnel like you’re sweeping across this big lake with this helicopter shot. But the sound of the like the quality of sound makes you feel you’re going through a tunnel and it feels very narrow. And then, like contrast that with seeing Dr Sleep. And when they use that theme in Dr Sleep, they’re using, um, low brat like actual low brass and low strings. Um, probably low woodwinds, too. But they they also like, filter it through like digital synthesizing whatever. But it’s. But it feels way more epic, way more expansive. And so you really feel bigger punch. You feel like there’s more at stake. There’s they’re like, there’s something bigger happened. I know I don’t Yeah, I know in the trailer, like when they played d S e r A. And it’s the symphony. You’re like, Yeah, God damn your hackles rise, you know? But you brought up in an interesting point, Aaron, which is there’s a There’s a contract, a heavy contrast going on right here in this big open space. And then and then the sound you’re for you that’s being forced upon you is is confining or constricting. That’s it, then, is that this? This contrast Ah, Kubrick threw in through the whole movie like he’d wanted you to feel uneasy so he would throw in these very contrasting things or turn things around like intentional, intentional in continuity and of where? Where, you know, Maybe he’d be riding his bike one way down the hall, and then and then you cut to another shot from behind him. But he’s writing the same way down, like the opposite way down the hall so it can kind of mess with your head a little bit well, and it’s a It’s a big hotel, too, and it feels big when they first go there. And it’s full of lively people, and everyone’s having fun. And did you know it’s timber? Lilac right here? It’s right next to you, right nearby in the theater for Dr Slave Hunting people, Theo the like. Wide shot is definitely Timberline Lodge, but then, when they get closer shots of the entrance of the hotel, it’s not. No, it’s a different interior. And then and then the interior is completely different. Interior staged sports some other hotel anyway, So what I was saying was like, the hotel is feels big in the beginning, but then, as like the it feels like the walls are kind of closing in as um, you realize what’s happening in this hotel with, like, craziness happening. And then the fear just makes the feel like the walls are closing and even the ballroom scene, like when he first walks in and he goes up to Lloyd, the bartender, Um, like it’s empty. It feels big. But then all of a sudden it’s full of people and it feels like closed in and claustrophobic. And it’s I think that’s a good point. You make about like the contracts. So a couple more points to talk about before I put this movie on Blast even more is a good conversation. Like again, I I appreciate this movie. It’s just not necessarily for my taste. Um, but the one thing that a super appreciate is the torrents family sweater game is on point. Dude, I love your sweaters. They all are just hard core sweater. Yeah, I gotta tell you, I got better. Fam. I got it, I got it. I got this sweater and I will never like there is one of a collection. It will be a collection now because a wool sweater is just comfy all the time. It’s just comfy cozy. It’s a right temp. It lets enough win through That’s enough wind through that. You’re not. You’re not drowning and in heat. It’s great. Yeah. Yeah. David’s wife gave him the dudes sweater. Yeah, from the Big Lebowski. I love it. And at first it was really hard to wear it in public. It was like, I can’t be that guy, But now I don’t give a shit. Yeah, I’m fully that guy Who will do that, do she think? And, uh, Pendleton Woolen Mills is right from the area, which is the maker of the sweater. And Yeah, man, I wish I could by some of their stuff there got wool blankets that air just world renowned. And it’s like $300 for, like, a little square. Yeah. Fun with this. Grow like a throw blanket that will cover. You know, just your legs, the factories hiring right now. I mean, maybe get an employee discount. Um, another one. Just an observation. Jack Torrance is a huge asshole. Like a separate separate from being insane. So yells it, Wendy, Don’t disturb me when I’m writing. Can’t you see that I’m working? And he chooses the most central huge area in the hotel. He’s got the choice of probably like 200 hotel rooms. Least that if they don’t have a desk, you can put a desk in there. It’s a typewriter. He doesn’t need power. Yeah, he’d just sit there. But no, he’s gotta have the gigantic central meeting room that is the hub of the entire hotel. Did he? This is This is why it doesn’t Jack Torrance in The Shining. The movie does not need alcohol to be an alcoholic. It’s so it’s so reminiscent of alcoholic behavior. It’s just it’s just like, Oh yeah, that guy’s in total debt, dipshit. Yeah. Um, okay, so this this is here’s some of my main questions, Um, and my my beast with the movie has talked about a lot of them, but to me, I wrote this down as I was watching it again. This movie has no connective tissue. Or to say it another way. The movie does a really bad job of answering why. So here’s here’s a couple questions that I have that I don’t think the movie does a great job of answering, and it’s it’s stuff that’s not unimportant, not unimportant. So things like what causes Jack to go insane. It’s not super clear in the movie. It is in the book. Right? Um what purpose did the ghost served in the hotel? To be? Spooky. Yeah. Uh, What do you mean, what purpose? What purpose? To go serve outside of a hotel. So Haman What’ll what? I mean, what was specifically what’s the connection between them and Jack going insane? Yeah, like there’s it’s like two separate things were happening once they’re in a haunted hotel. That’s creepy. And they’re ghosts. That will attack Danny, apparently. But also, Jack is going insane. Yeah, there’s no, like, explicit connection. And there is one in the original story, right? Yes. So if you listen to Kubrick and that it’s, you know internal like, then why is Danny seeing him? And why are they attacking him? Like if it’s Jack, If Jack is the evil eyes because alcoholism is genetic people who’s passed down the trade to his child, he’s just a dry alcoholic. Yeah, I don’t I don’t even think Kubrick would say It’s it’s internal either. I think he’s just not. He’s not concerned about the original character and story of the of the Shining. Um, so what’s the the other one we talk about? What’s up with Tony? Is Danny possessed? Is it Danny Subconscious? Um, the sexual stuff. What even is the shining? Yeah. What? Yeah, What is? I mean? They explained that they, like some people, shine. Some people don’t like the you know how you can read people’s mind and see the future. Well, some people can do that, and some people don’t. So I thought those enough of an explanation for the Shining just for the movie because it was just like, Oh, it’s a It’s a special thing. He’s special and he’s special talking about being special and that that works. But it also has no connection to what happens in the movie. That’s just like, Here’s what the Shining is what the movie is named after, Um, and it’s just two special guys just having a talk over some ice cream you. And if you want to know what the Shining is watched doctor sleep because it actually explains it. Yeah, I got to say, Doctor, sleep is is a like if you haven’t listened to our episode about it, we just did it and it was my favorite blockbuster of the year. I think I had kind of a unique experience because I I saw the shining on Wednesday night. And then I saw Dr Sleep on Friday night way exactly. So So like having those like, I only have 48 hours to digest the shining. And honestly, like I had seen a bunch of parodies, you know? Sure. Bits. And she hasn’t seen The Simpsons one yet. Oh, wow. I think I have, like, I think I have. But I don’t have much of an encyclopedic knowledge of The Simpsons. You’ve got an ocean in, boy, that Shin ae yours. So like having having said that like, I only maybe seen like I’d say, probably 1\/4 of the movie The Shining before I watched the whole thing because there was a lot that surprised me like about the movie that was in the movie because I and I never heard of before. Um, the like, the scene with the pediatrician. Uh huh. And, um, like, that’s, like, the best back story that the movie does. It was like that’s like, all the back story that we get. And, um, and the What was the other thing? The oh, the fact that she’s that Wendy is basically doing all the work in the hotel. Like Jack his leg. I got this job because blah, blah, blah, and I have mouths to feed blah, blah. And he’s like like, there is no, like there was no establishing shot of him doing any work, what so ever? And he’s like, It’s my contract, right? I’m like, Dude, Wendy was checking the boiler room. She’s like fixing all the food for your really keeping are really keyed on in on this. Yeah. I mean, lives because of their backs, just like his computer all day long. And then he goes out these days. Shut up here and I’m working. Don’t disturb me when I’m working. I chose the most central room in the house because I need to stretch out. I need to focus on pulling porno clips. Okay. They have to sound just like horror movies. Um, So the other questions are the sexual stuff in this movie. Like why? Why is the it’s it’s sudden they add a such an element of, like, spinning you around. It’s like Whoa, whoa, e. I mean, that was That was great. When, when, uh, Aaron saw the blowjob sequence first. That’s that’s That’s the most confusing part in the whole movie. Like, Whoa, Why is that dog given that butler a blowjob? Mommy, why is the dog on that man’s lap? That was me in 1992. You were the dog. Yeah. No, I was the one saying, Oh, uh, so you and Aaron made the point while we were watching that. That was probably a lot more shocking back in early eighties, you know, just having homosexuality on film. I guess you don’t. I mean, it could have been a woman in the No, no, it was definitely man, are you? I’m telling you that. Are you designing them? A gender? I don’t presume to know what dogs you. Even if I asked him, He is a canine can. But the I mean, that’s that shot when that happens. Like the front known evidence of fairies. Probably not, but, uh, like in 20 watching it in 2019 for the first time, I’m like, Oh, so this is like a rager, like they’re having a great party, and people were breaking off into separate rooms and goes all these ghosts, like, are still keeping the party going, you know, 50 60 years later, and Blake and then I was thinking about it like men in 1980. Just the idea of showing any homosexuality on screen would be terrifying to lots of men, especially, and that would that would just be like, Oh my gosh, you just add to the scariness of everything because homosexuality is so scary. If the Shining was shot in 2019 it just be like 22 Girl goes just way too obvious. And I would be just like two girls, one cup, way to a to Z. Yeah, it’s just way too inappropriate and over the top. Instead of like the insinuation of sexuality, it be like full blown ghost. I don’t know. People are so desensitized. Everything now like I don’t know that there’s any like, sexual thing that they could do that we shocking have toe. There’s a few I know of. A few would have to be violent, just like like the torture scene in it have to have to be like the torture scene in Dr Sleep. What about that guy? What about that guy on the Internet who freezes poop and then puts it in condoms and then uses. Now I know that exist uses it to pleasure. You’re welcome. And then, um, last two questions. Why does Dick come back? That’s not really explain. Just lunch. Especially special election with Danny. Why does Howard and come back? Yeah, Yeah. Danny shots at him with his head. Danny’s like, Ah, the trends Heller. And sitting there in his bed with his two froze porn ladies a bit above his bad and above his TV. And he’s like, Oh, shit, that little boy in trouble. And he’s like, he like, he’s the best. I love Halloran and Scatman Crothers so much in this man. He’s a shining moment in The movie is great is the funnest wonder. What? Well, I mean, I guess, Jack find us one of Jack’s crazy, uh, the less He’s just crazy. The last question is, why is Jack in that photo at the end? Yeah, so I mean, I think that implies that he was always here, like they say that. I mean, they they say that, but what has been the caretaker, right? Like what? It’s thinking like hotel adding a tally mark to the you know, like like we got another one boys, you know, like, I guess, See that that is like the the final image. And it feels like just that weird twist that’s there to be a twist but doesn’t have any sense other than be like, Yeah, well, that means something. Is that Is that mentioned at all in the book like that? He’s been there previously. Or is that just something that Kubrick at it in or that he talked? It was definitely time in. The photo is like from the twenties, so it’s not actually Jack Torrance the character. So I don’t know, maybe I’m not remembering. Maybe there is a photo with a guy that kind of looks at it. So in the book, it’s really interesting that the descent into madness is very attached to Jack’s obsession with the hotel and that he discovers the history of the hotel. He finds these documents in the basement about the history of the hotel, and it’s got a bunch of shady connections with the mob and, um, like money laundering kind of stuff. And he’s like, This is what I can write my book about, and he he reaches out to the manager of the owner of the hotel is like, I want to do my book on all the dirty laundry about the Overlook Hotel. And they’re like, um no, don’t do that. Please don’t do that. And if you do that, you will suffer consequences, Basically. And so ah, lot of his rage comes from his reaction to that to his reaction to the man basically telling him what he can’t do. And it expands out from there. And the his obsession with the hotel in the history, um, really shows the power that the hotel has over him. Um, so, yeah, that’s that’s that’s kind of missing from the movie as well. Um, but the the one part where it does kind of show the hotel as being an entity and a power of itself is the is the character of Grady the butler. When he’s talking to Jack in the bathroom and he’s he’s basically pushing Jack to be like, Well, you know, you got to do, you know, and it’s definitely the personification of the hotel itself and then the other, like a great side care home. Come on and waste your family and give you a beer. That’s right, because that that butler was greedy. But when the when the hotel owner or manager, whatever was interviewing talked about the murder, The Grady murder later. Yeah, he was the He was the caretaker. Yeah. So? So. And then when he tells Jack you’ve always been the caretaker, like, does that mean that Jack was, like, 10 years previous? He murdered and was That’s just great. He he’s just doing it. He’s just fucking with your head, all right? That was too much, too many. Um, And then the other great moment is the bartender. What’s his name? Lloyd Lloyd Lloyd. Bartenders is great. He’s got the greatest dead stare. Yeah, um, and then the That’s the other part. That kind of tells you that the hotel is has a personality, cause when he specifically says, you know, it’s on the house is basically saying like, this is the hotel giving you what you want. Your money is no good. You know, um, anything else that we want to talk about? The shining man? I, uh really Well, first of all, I don’t know. I don’t I don’t know if there’s really a maze. I don’t think there is a maze up a Timberlake? No. Um, but I would really love to find one of these mazes. And that is a like a 13 foot tall maze. It’s amazing. And it’s all No, but that would be a blast to do. First of all, And then second of all, um, I don’t know, I I love I love the more I watched this movie like. Okay, so I got I gotta admit, there is a little There’s a small not totally in substantial part of me that kind of dreads every week having tow watch another horror movie. Especially when I when I’ve already seen. But when I watched the Shining, you’ve seen it The miniseries and Part one and part 20 Anyway, so, yeah, I mean, so there’s a part of me that’s like, Mmm mmm, mmm mmm. I got to get kind of amped up to do these things. And the shining was like, I’ve seen this so many times, but I went back out and I watched it, and it was It was like I got so much more out of it is this time and so I don’t know if you haven’t seen the shining in a while. And you you are a fan. Uh, then, you know, check it out. Because And it’s a great winter movie. Yeah, it’s a good time to watch it too. Since Dr sleeps out like, watch the shining and then go see Dr Sleep. Yeah, it’s very good Companion pieces And later, the very complimentary The stories in two very different styles, but very good. And cover is my favorite director, Maybe of all time. Yeah. Yeah. Godric Coop, Coop Brack. Come blur. Okay. Um so final recommendations, final recommendations. Who should see this movie? Everyone. Yeah, you go first, everyone. Yeah. I mean, it’s not only is it, you know, a good horror movie, it’s iconic. It’s like part of the, you know, lexicon of film. Like you have to see it. Yeah, yeah, I agree. It’s It’s a must see for anyone. It’s one of Kubrick’s masterpiece is It’s one of Jack Nicholson’s absolute best performances ever. Yeah, and yeah, I mean, it’s it’s ah, fantastic filmmaking. Um, you might not. I love it, but it’s worth saying, definitely if you if you listen a horror movie, talk regularly and you want to get, like a good bead on on my opinions on, like the things that I enjoy about horror horror films. This is like a master class in it. This is so similar. Like I it’s been so interesting to do this podcast because I’ve realized so much about my own taste and how it differs from other people’s. And like I enjoyed the killing of a sacred dear so much, so much more than you. It’s because it’s It’s a cube. Rick ask movie. Yeah, that’s true. It’s interesting because we have really similar tastes as well in terms of, like, family based emotional Yeah, horror like you have that to love it. But you love this. Yeah, just as much. Justus much there and this like, um, just in books, all stories. I love them to be cold and clinical and, like, detached And really, there’s something just so mysterious about that to me that I don’t know, just scratches my itches. Okay, so go see it. Go see Dr Sleep too. On. Let’s move on to it came from social media. Yes, it came from social media to fill the world with terror to bring you one forgettable suspense. What was it? Where did it come from? For the all powerful creatures that brought from social media And what did they want? So it came from social media is ah portion of the podcast that we sometimes dedicate to going over some comments that we’ve gotten from Facebook, Twitter, instagram, wherever they’re coming in at us. And this is ah, very special came from social media because I think we need Thio, maybe make some changes to the podcast going forward. Um so Stephen Stephen M. On Facebook just recently you skipped the 1st 1 What’s this friend? And I know I’ll get to that one. So Stephen M on Facebook? I guess it’s Yeah. A couple of days ago Said Just discovered your podcast on Li. Listen to two episodes so far, but really enjoying it, particularly the witch episode. It made me want to revisit a film. I was totally underwhelmed by just one thing. Please stop burping into the mic. It’s fucking disgusting. And as I was doing brother, as I was going through wth e YouTube, there was a comment that I missed from a month ago from Isaiah and I never saw that? Yeah, he said Hot hot tip in capital letters. If you didn’t belch into the mic and slurp drinks like moronic man children, you might get some extra subscribers. I couldn’t get past two episodes on stitcher, and the APP doesn’t let me express my absolute disgust. Get your shit together. You make all horror movie fans look terrible. Do that. That person. Isaiah, you’ve got some anger issues, buddy. And you in there directionless, and you need to take him out yourself. So this is the level vitriol that this is created that he heard it. He found us on stitcher. And he he wanted to tell us so bad that he had to seek us out on another platform to leave a comment that could fully describe his discussed and then way back, going way back into olden times an April 10th Dana see on Facebook. We love you, Dana. Yeah, we love Dana, and she was the original originator of this concern on Facebook. She says, keep doing what you’re doing. Maybe with less belching Ella. Well, this is from one of your female fence. You do have them so moronic, man. Children are our reaction to this request is like some people like it, But I don’t think anyone’s ever commented that they do. Like no one likes it. Let me. Uh Well, I don’t know. They tolerate any. Think you’re someone like me? Let me think. Here. What’s what’s what was the biggest terrestrial radio show ever? Yeah, but we’re no cowards. No, no, I know, but what was it? Oh, yeah, it was Howard Stern. What did they, uh, what do they do all the time? Still, they’ve done it for 30 years. So I’m not saying I’m not saying they’re wrong, That this is their taste. They don’t enjoy it. And you know what? After after Thea. The other thing is that this is the hill that David is gonna die on. No, it’s not a hill. I’m going to die. And the other thing is, I think I think there, there, there, there may be an aspect to this. That is right. It may it may drive people away, but I mean, the other part is I mean, if you listen to comments, you’re gonna have people telling you you’re a Moran on moronic man child for providing them with a free piece of something that they don’t have to listen to you. I mean, it’s it’s Ah, it’s hard not to get your feelings hurt when you called a moronic man child, when you’re tryingto provide a free service, the people they try to put it in a lot of efforts, your silly, but I think it’s a very valid thing that I think early on it was I was more concerned about. Sounds like drinking Mike mouth sounds and like coughing sure and belching into the microphone. And I think, you know, maybe it’s time that we make an effort to class up the place and not discuss our listeners. We’re gonna put it I’m gonna officially say we’re gonna put a moratorium on belching on horror movie talk way Need to be This is this is a partnership. You can’t just you can’t just make it. You can’t just make e. I need to agree to the people. So if you disagree with this moratorium, you have to reach out on on social media and tell us like we love the belching. Do not stop the belching and you need to do you need to put up like an actual demonstration to show that it’s worth keeping because I don’t think we deserve the the privilege of belching into our listeners ears directly because we’re not quite, I don’t know. We’re really close to the quality of Howard Stern Show, but not quite there. So I think if it’s ah, perfectly rational to put a moratorium on belching on horror movie talk, we need to be more considerate and mature for audience. So now let’s play horror or porno whore porn ing. All right, horror. Porno is a game or a partner is a game where we play clips from horror movies and clips from poor nose, and it’s surprisingly hard to predict where they came from cause there’s lots of squelching sounds, screaming passion, you know, it’s really hard to suss him out. So we played this once on Ready or not, it was a really, really delight again on a chapter two. Do we? Oh, yeah, that was twice, Um anyways, so since I didn’t go to the movie last night, I had an extra $10 that I was expecting to spend on a ticket, so I decided to get a to buy some music for intro music. I feel like it deserves it. That’s a good intro. I got to say, Can we just get the 1st 5 seconds of that one more time? God damn, That’s a funky beat. Slaps fucking slap literally. Uh, so it goes without saying that if you’re if you’re sensitive to uh huh. You know, sexually explicit sounds. Or if you’re don’t have this on headphones, rear work may be May be turned off this one. But how we play leave. No, you have to participate. Um, David, can you keep score? So I will play a clip. And you have to tell me if it’s from a horror movie or a porno, Right? And extra points if you can guess the title of either. Okay, extra points, If you can guess the title. So it cz one point, if you guess correctly on the genre. And then it’s another point if you actually get the Yes, right. Okay, first clip. Are you ready? And Aaron is playing too. Yes. Here we go. Clip one. Wow. Okay, So was that a horror or porno? Erin, I say horror. What makes you say that? The the screaming, the music Yeah, Something hard to me. Okay? I don’t I don’t have a guess. It I don’t want to get any given anything away. David. I’m going to say that did sound an awful lot like a horror movie. But there was There was an inordinate amount of squelching and kind of gagging time. It’s hard it could be. Could be gagging. Could be knifes going into bodies. Yeah, yeah, sure. There’s a lot of it, no matter what. There was definitely some plunging involved. Right. Um, so I’m going to say I think I’m gonna say were is Well, yeah, Okay. I get your rational, but you’re both wrong. That is a porno. That was nightmare on Dik Street. Oh, wow. Um, look, clip number two. That seems unlikely. Okay, David Horror, porno. And once you ration out, I’m really gonna have to go. I think that’s definitely a porno movie. Yeah, that’s a partner. That was that. Sounded like a woman getting hammered. No, it sounded like a woman really, really faking that. She was enjoying hers. I mean, regardless, she was getting hammered. Yeah. I mean, see this. This just shows you how hard this game and that was actually no movie. What? Yeah, that was screamed. That was just a dream. I I honestly can’t say that I remember that part. Well, it isn’t like an opera scene. And sky was I don’t remember. It was Drew Barrymore That was seen how that was. That was Drew Barrymore. Yeah. Okay. All right, celery tied for nothing. Anybody for enough? Anybody’s game we’ve got, we’ve got six, and then a tiebreaker if we need it. But you can aren’t doing that. Great. We’ll see if we can turn it around on clip number three. All right. Horror or porno? Aaron, what do you think? Can you take this seriously for, like, five seconds? That is actually, considering We just saw squirrel that it went such That is such a normal thing for me to hear because you watch a lot of horror movies. That’s a That’s a porn. That’s got to be a porn. Okay, David. Okay, now, now, the first thing that comes to mind is porn on this one for sure, Because like I said, it comes comes to my mind no AA lot, but I e think of Aaron and I keep guessing the same than the known has a chance to pull. Right? So I’m going to go against my better judgment and say, That’s a horror movie. That’s clearly a porno. You think that’s a porno? I I do. I believe I think that same thing. But so do you have a guess on the title? Either one of you on the title for the for that? Yes. So you you’re guessing porno. So do you have a guest for the title? I wouldn’t even pretend. Okay, that I could think of something. Um, I guess that could be the bride of Chucky. Okay. All right. So David gets one point. It is a horror movie. That is from the grudge. There it is. Yeah, yeah. No. Yeah, that’s I mean, that’s the those Japanese horrors for you. Yeah. Okay. Clip for Aaron. You gotta catch up. I’m doing that to Mrs Move. Relax. Bastard led us here. Wow. All right, horror, porno, I gotta say, is definitely a horror movie. Okay, David, She said it was tearing me apart. I mean, it shows how how hard it is to choose, because I could work even. Wait. There was a lot of male voices there as well. That’s clearly a horror movie. You think that’s a heart? Be for sure. Yeah. Um, I think it may be a horror movie as well. I’m going to say, In fact, I’m gonna hazard a guess. I’m going to say that was Silent Hill. Okay, Aaron, you gotta guess for your title. Uh, no. I don’t know. No more movies. All right, um, you guys air not close. It is a porno. That was from the bear bitch project. The bear bitch product. That just seems unlikely that they’d name a porno. That but, I mean, you know what? That’s actually not true. That poor nose gets a fucking weird names, Okay? This one is an easy one. This is a total. Gimme it. So you don’t If you don’t know what this is and the title of it Like what are you doing? Okay, Theo. I mean, come on. Yeah. Aaron, I Everyone, everyone knows this let you go first on this one because I’m I’m a I’m a co host on a horror movie podcast. So this is gonna be a hole in one for me, and I feel like, Well, this is definitely a horror movie and I’m I’m pretty sure it’s psycho, but I’ve never actually seen it go. You’ve never seen Psycho never see the next one iconic score like I mean, you can hear you can hear it in that. In that clip Ri ri ri It’s, I mean, that’s as big or bigger than Jaws. You know, like the Jaws Dun Dun, Dun Dun That’s even bigger. And I’m gonna also I’m gonna go with air and say, Yeah, this is the second. This has gotta be psycho. This is how for Titch Cox Psycho? You know, it’s kind of play a trick on you guys that that score is using different places, like appeared on Psycho. And it’s also in Re Animator. He noticed that, but yeah, but I still thought you guys were to God. This is like a classic. It’s the classic adaptation of Bram Stoker’s classic ejaculate, that z you’re living that the horror movie. This is a porno. Yeah, that’s like one of the most It’s a support. Yeah, it’s one of most famous Porn O’s and Ejaculate. Yeah, like seventies. I got to see this like Debbie does. Dallas Deep Throat and Ejaculate Dracula right next to that. Have you seen Caligula? Uh, it’s you have, Uh oh, man. Wow. When did you see that? Oh, yeah. Maybe. Maybe it’s the plan, Caligula. I didn’t think about that. But ejaculate, it’s It’s actually if you watch the movie, it’s based on calculate. Wow. Sorry, guys. Real, real close. I mean, come anywhere. Where? Yet? So you still got one? I got one point in Aaron. Every man, I really thought you would have had it on psych. I thought I had it on a psycho. Okay, so, um, I will try one last time. Maybe Aaron can tie it. Okay. Oh, please only believe Thank you. Oh, wait, please. Oh, apologies. So, horror movie or porno? I got to say that it’s This is definitely I feel like I saw this yesterday. This is definitely a porno. You okay? Yeah. I didn’t need that level of Well, okay, so for the sake of because I think I’m finally figuring out this game, huh? Um, I’m going to say it’s a horror or movie. Okay. Do you have a guess? Is the to the title frozen too? Frozen to isn’t a horror movie, but Good guess it is actually a Disney property. It is hocus pocus. Oh, damn. You know, hocus pocus has I mean, that doesn’t surprise me at all. I get a point. Yeah, Yeah. Get a point. Yeah, we’re tied up. So that means we’re tight, So go ahead, Day. But hocus pocus is commonly confused, right? I mean, when you just separate out the audit with you when you have the visual owned, by the way, did anybody else get in on the pre pre order for Disney? Plus, uh, that’s a good segue way hocus pocus gun beyond there. Yeah, and good, maybe. And it comes out, comes out in two days, 70 bucks, 70 bucks gets you your subscription and like and then your grandfather didn’t know that that plants. Oh, hocus pocus. Super hard to tell whether that’s when it’s just audio, But I don’t remember that scene from the movie. I’m gonna have to watch. You have to watch again. Like Sarah Jessica Parker had a lot of interest, and I mean, you know that meddlers. Yeah, she’s a demon in the sack. I mean, uh, okay, so we need a tiebreaker. Luckily, we have this last clip. So clip number seven. Yeah. Lots of encouragements. Yeah, take it. Get it in, Get it in? Yeah, horror movie or porno? Wouldn’t it be weird to like being I mean, assuming, Like I’m sorry. You go ahead and guess it’s a porno. You think that’s a porno? Yeah, I think this is. This is pretty clearly a behind the scenes clip of a horror movie where they’re where they’re like, they’re practicing their lines and they’re getting, you know, they’re they’re they’re getting encouragement from from the other actors and actresses and like the lighting writing that you’re saying You’re saying a horror movie. I’m gonna say a horror movie? Well, no, it’s It’s a horror movie. Wouldn’t be behind the scenes. It has to be like an actual poor or partner. So your assumption doesn’t I just want to give you the benefit, Okay? That election, it’s gonna mean the actual movie. Okay, then I’m going to say this is, um I’m gonna say this is I’m going to say the ring. Um, you are correct that it’s a horror movie. Oh, so you got you got me there, But it’s actually from Poltergeist 20 Yeah. No, I don’t remember. I think still thinking about it. Do you recall which scene it’s the scene where all the ghosts are together and And there? Yeah. Fucking that. That point start. Yeah. No, Now I remember that. Okay, so David pulls ahead. David wins horror. Porno, which I get shouldn’t surprise anyone. He’s an expert at both. And, uh, thank you for playing Aaron, but you can hang your head in shame You did not know how or and or porn I think I never wanna win this game. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. All right, well, that’s our show for today. Thanks for listening. Please share the podcast with a friend. It’s pretty much the only way we can keep growing and bringing ah, higher quality show to you and, you know, take the time and effort that it in the real sacrifice that it tasted to do the research for this show. And remember to get on social media, tell us you love those belches. You know, if you want to stick around, we’re gonna put a moratorium on him. Unless there’s a public outrage about it, we’ll see. I mean, you know, it depends again. Support the podcast by clicking through the button on the banner to Amazon associates were gonna buy anything from their Check out our patri on and check out the different tiers and the exclusive content. You can get shudder. Use HMT at checkout to gets 30 a free trial. Thank you so much to all our listeners and for the feedback, even the negative feedback. We We love it. And it’s important to us to get here. We want to be better. We truly do. We We don’t want to be too salty, and we do want to change for the better. So continue reaching out to us. And thank you so much to our special guest, Aaron Hansen, for coming in and giving a unique perspective on the Shining and teaching us a little knowledge about music history as well. Hearing thank you on that is for movie talk, but by a place out place out with that horror porn. 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https://youtu.be/5Cb3ik6zP2I




Synopsis of The Shining



The Shining is the tale of an aspiring writer Jack Torrence (Jack Nicholson) taking his wife Wendy (Shelley Duvall), and son Danny (Some kid named Danny) to The Overlook Hotel. It lies secluded, deep within the heavily forested mountains of Colorado. He is hired to be the caretaker of The Overlook in the winter off-season. While there he intends to write the next great american novel whose protagonist is worn down by the pressures of capitalism and the lack of leisure time. Meanwhile Danny Torrence is tutored by a magical negro about Danny’s ability to see the future and read minds. Also, the hotel is haunted and Jack goes crazy. Do you really not know the plot to THE SHINING?




https://youtu.be/WJfhB3Vj_G8




Review of The Shining



OK, here we go. I appreciate this movie. It is one of Kubrick’s masterpieces. It’s visually stunning and meticulously crafted. It’s undeniably an great and important movie.



I just don’t like it.



It’s slow. The characters are empty shells of people that lack most semblance of humanity and motivation, other than to:



* be scared, or * be menacing.



To be frank, I couldn’t figure out what was going on and why most of the time. The book was better.



COME AT ME HORROR FANS, I don’t like your precious SHINING.



Original artwork by Dustin Goebel whose Instagram you should follow @Dgoebel00



Score for The Shining



Score 8/10



FIGHT ME.



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Bryce Hanson and David Day yes 1:41:17 Doctor Sleep Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/11/06/doctor-sleep-review/ Wed, 06 Nov 2019 08:01:31 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3359 We saw an early screening of Doctor Sleep, and I was treated to what I believe to be the best horror blockbuster of the year. This is the movie that Brightburn told us it would be. A compelling superhero story with a horror twist. On top of all that high praise, I truly believe that this is a worthy spiritual successor to The Shining, which is one of my all-time favorite movies ever. Doctor Sleep is impressive, serious, and fun. Skip to Intro - 0:27Skip to Trailer - 4:51Skip to Synopsis - 7:29Skip to Review - 14:10Skip to Score - 16:13Skip to Spoilers - 25:16Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:07:05Skip to Taglines - 1:08:30 Skip to Outro and Special Thanks - 1:15:45 Doctor Sleep can be found in theaters tomorrow evening and this weekend, and I highly suggest you see it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2msJTFvhkU4 Doctor Sleep Synopsis Doctor Sleep isn’t so much a sequel to The Shining as it is a continuation of the story of Danny Torrance (Ewan McGregor then Danny Lloyd), from The Shining. It loops in lots of other interesting characters who also shine and does a better job of defining what “the shining” is than Kubrick’s film did. Danny boy by Dustin Goebel whose Instagram you should follow @Dgoebel00 It follows Danny through some of his childhood immediately following the death of his deranged father, Jack, and it picks up the timeline in 2011 and again in 2019. This movie uses a parallel plot structure to introduce us to the important players in the story, which weaves together into one cohesive tale that had me fully bought in.  Danny grows up, beats his demons, and settles down into a job where he excels, and then his life gets flipped - turned upside down by a little girl who shines. He eventually takes her under his wing the same way Hallorann took Danny under his. Doctor Sleep Review There is a definite “bad guy” in this movie, which I won’t go into until the spoilers section. From what I can tell, the critical response to Doctor Sleep the book was favorable with exception to the bad guy. I can see how it might not translate well on paper but, the baddie in the movie was fabulous and iconic to me. The sound design was impressive as hell to me. It kept me in the moment and feeling tension the whole way through.  Want to Watch The Shining?Check it out on AmazonClick here to Watch The Shining The visuals were well thought out, slow and meticulous. This movie had some very cool panning shots, which I mentioned in our last episode which covered, The Lighthouse. Heeeere's Danny! The characters and storyline were top tier, and the casting was maybe the best I’ve ever seen. They re-enacted scenes from The Shining to a truly impressive degree. The set design was incredible. Of all the things I was impressed with about Doctor Sleep I think the most telling one is that I don’t feel any resentment at all about it being the sequel to one of the most iconic horror movies of all time. The artistry behind this movie was impressive, and Mike Flanagan clearly held Kubrick’s work in a sacred place.  I love Doctor Sleep because I love great stories. It’s a fabulous story, full of wonder and terror. I love the way Flanagan chose to adapt this story for the big screen. Doctor Sleep Score 10/10 Spoilers for Doctor Sleep Click Here to Expand Spoilers I don’t want to go too far into detail in the spoilers section for Doctor Sleep because I don’t want to do a disservice to the craft of film making that this movie features. Instead I’ll break it down into what I liked and didn’t like about the movie. Be forewarned, this is still spoilers! The Callbacks to The Shining There were so many visual callbacks to The Shining hidden in plain sight in Doctor Sleep that I couldn’t keep them all straight. The movie starts with a flying shot similar to the iconic opening shot of The Shining and it also recreates that same opening shot as they We saw an early screening of Doctor Sleep, and I was treated to what I believe to be the best horror blockbuster of the year. This is the movie that Brightburn told us it would be. A compelling superhero story with a horror twist. On top of all that high praise, I truly believe that this is a worthy spiritual successor to The Shining, which is one of my all-time favorite movies ever. Doctor Sleep is impressive, serious, and fun.

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Doctor Sleep can be found in theaters tomorrow evening and this weekend, and I
highly suggest you see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2msJTFvhkU4

Doctor Sleep Synopsis

Doctor Sleep isn’t so much a sequel to The Shining as it is a continuation of the story of Danny Torrance (Ewan McGregor then Danny Lloyd), from The Shining. It loops in lots of other interesting characters who also shine and does a better job of defining what “the shining” is than Kubrick’s film did.

Doctor Sleep drawing before and after Danny
Danny boy by Dustin Goebel whose Instagram you should follow @Dgoebel00

It follows Danny through
some of his childhood immediately following the death of his deranged father,
Jack, and it picks up the timeline in 2011 and again in 2019.

This movie uses a
parallel plot structure to introduce us to the important players in the story,
which weaves together into one cohesive tale that had me fully bought in. 

Danny grows up, beats
his demons, and settles down into a job where he excels, and then his life gets
flipped – turned upside down by a little girl who shines. He eventually takes
her under his wing the same way Hallorann took Danny under his.

Doctor Sleep Review

There is a definite “bad
guy” in this movie, which I won’t go into until the spoilers section. From what
I can tell, the critical response to Doctor Sleep the book was favorable
with exception to the bad guy. I can see how it might not translate well on
paper but, the baddie in the movie was fabulous and iconic to me.

The sound design was
impressive as hell to me. It kept me in the moment and feeling tension the
whole way through. 

Want to Watch The Shining?

Check it out on Amazon

The visuals were well
thought out, slow and meticulous. This movie had some very cool panning shots,
which I mentioned in our last episode which covered, The Lighthouse.

Heeeere’s Danny!

The characters and
storyline were top tier, and the casting was maybe the best I’ve ever seen.
They re-enacted scenes from The Shining to a truly impressive degree. The set
design was incredible.

Of all the things I was
impressed with about Doctor Sleep I think the most telling one is that I
don’t feel any resentment at all about it being the sequel to one of the most
iconic horror movies of all time. The artistry behind this movie was impressive,
and Mike Flanagan clearly held Kubrick’s work in a
sacred place. 

I love Doctor Sleep because I love great stories. It’s a fabulous story, full of wonder and terror. I love the way Flanagan chose to adapt this story for the big screen.

Doctor Sleep Score

10/10

Spoilers
for Doctor Sleep

Click Here to Expand Spoilers

I don’t
want to go too far into detail in the spoilers section for Doctor Sleep because
I don’t want to do a disservice to the craft of film making that this movie
features. Instead I’ll break it down into what I liked and didn’t like about
the movie. Be forewarned, this is still spoilers!

The Callbacks to The Shining

There were so many visual callbacks to The Shining
hidden in plain sight in Doctor Sleep that I couldn’t keep them all
straight. The movie starts with a flying shot similar to the iconic opening
shot of The Shining and it also recreates that same opening shot as they
approach the Overlook Hotel at the end of Doctor Sleep.

Redrum, so popular these days…

Dr. John Dalton, the man who employed Danny when he got sober,
has an office that looks exactly like Ullman’s office in The Shining.

Danny Lloyd, the kid who played the original Danny, has a
cameo during the baseball scene.

The first hospital room that Danny walks into when he finds
his gift of sending dying people off into death is 217. Room 217 is the room
that Timberline Lodge (the location used for panoramic shots of the Overlook
Hotel) changed to 237 for the original movie.

All of these and so much more. They recreated so many scenes
and so many sets from The Shining, and it all plays so well. I really
had a lot of nostalgia while watching Doctor Sleep, and it wasn’t the
cheap, easy to create kind – it was the earned kind.

The True Knot is Seriously Messed Up

As far as bad guys go, The True Knot is unassuming and
impressive. They look like normal people and act a bit like gypsies, traveling
around the country in a caravan of motorhomes and trucks, looking for their
next meal.

Rose the Hat

When we learn what The True Knot does to get their next
meal, my stomach turned. They find little kids who have the shining, and they
brutally torture them with the intent of causing as much pain and suffering as
possible. Pain and suffering in those with the shining causes the release of “steam,”
which is what The True Knot feeds on. Finally, they kill these children and eat
up what’s left of the steam.

The True Knot

There is a scene where they kidnap a small boy and torture
him, and it was almost unbearable for me to watch.

The Shining as a Super Power

It was hard to tell exactly what “the shining” was in the
original movie. I could tell that there was something about Danny, but it wasn’t
fully fleshed out, and it left quite a bit to the imagination. Doctor Sleep doesn’t
smack you in the face with a heavy handed description of what the shining is,
but it does show you that there are a lot of different flavors of it. It also has
enough characters with the shining for you to begin to realize that it’s
basically a superpower.

People with an affinity for flowers. People who can make
others do whatever they say. People who can read the future. People who can see
ghosts. You get it. Just like superheroes, each person shines at different
brightnesses. Some have more power, some have less.

At no point was it ever said that this was a superpower
movie. It just is. That’s confidence in the product on the part of the studio
and the creators, and I like it.

The Sound

There is a deep, bassy heartbeat and some pretty great
string music throughout that seems to cover 85% of this movie, and it kept me
wrapped up in the cocoon of this story quite nicely.

The Casting

Goddamn! I do mean, WOW! Everyone is so well cast that this
movie had no choice but to be great. Ewin McGregor has hints of Jack Nicolson
in his face. All the actors they cast to re-shoot the scenes from The
Shining
were dead-on both in looks and in mannerisms – it was great.

Even the blood was well cast

The Story

I feel like it’s been forever since I saw a story on the big
screen that was new (to me) and was also well done. Doctor Sleep kept me
enthralled from beginning to end, and I love it for that. I would even go to
see this a second time, which almost never happens.

Final Recommendations

If you want much more info on what the Shine is and how it works, Doctor Sleep can help you out. More than that, it’s a fabulous story for the big screen told by a man who really cares about the craft. If you are a fan of either Stephen King’s books or Kubrick’s adaptation, this movie brings you back to the place it all began and puts a fitting cap on it before it sends The Shining off to slumber land.

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We saw an early screening of Doctor Sleep, and I was treated to what I believe to be the best horror blockbuster of the year. This is the movie that Brightburn told us it would be. A compelling superhero story with a horror twist. We saw an early screening of Doctor Sleep, and I was treated to what I believe to be the best horror blockbuster of the year. This is the movie that Brightburn told us it would be. A compelling superhero story with a horror twist. On top of all that high praise, I truly believe that this is a worthy spiritual successor to The Shining, which is one of my all-time favorite movies ever. Doctor Sleep is impressive, serious, and fun.







* Skip to Intro - 0:27* Skip to Trailer - 4:51* Skip to Synopsis - 7:29* Skip to Review - 14:10* Skip to Score - 16:13* Skip to Spoilers - 25:16* Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:07:05* Skip to Taglines - 1:08:30 * Skip to Outro and Special Thanks - 1:15:45



Doctor Sleep can be found in theaters tomorrow evening and this weekend, and I
highly suggest you see it.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2msJTFvhkU4




Doctor Sleep Synopsis



Doctor Sleep isn’t so much a sequel to The Shining as it is a continuation of the story of Danny Torrance (Ewan McGregor then Danny Lloyd), from The Shining. It loops in lots of other interesting characters who also shine and does a better job of defining what “the shining” is than Kubrick’s film did.



Danny boy by Dustin Goebel whose Instagram you should follow @Dgoebel00



It follows Danny through
some of his childhood immediately following the death of his deranged father,
Jack, and it picks up the timeline in 2011 and again in 2019.







This movie uses a
parallel plot structure to introduce us to the important players in the story,
which weaves together into one cohesive tale that had me fully bought in. 



Danny grows up, beats
his demons, and settles down into a job where he excels, and then his life gets
flipped - turned upside down by a little girl who shines. He eventually takes
her under his wing the same way Hallorann took Danny under his.



Doctor Sleep Review



There is a definite “bad
guy” in this movie, which I won’t go into until the spoilers section. From what
I can tell, the critical response to Doctor Sleep the book was favorable
with exception to the bad guy. I can see how it might not translate well on
paper but, the baddie in the movie was fabulous and iconic to me.



The sound design was
impressive as hell to me. It kept me in the moment and feeling tension the
whole way through. 





Want to Watch The Shining?Check it out on AmazonClick here to Watch The Shining











The visuals were well
thought out, slow and meticulous. This movie had some very cool panning shots,
which I mentioned in our last episode which covered, https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3310 This week we are reviewing Robert Eggers' The Lighthouse. It's a descent into madness that doesn't hold your hand. The performances of Willem Defoe and Robert Pattinson are worth the price of admission, but everything related to the production design, sound, and script are all of the highest caliber. Skip to Intro - 0:29Skip to Trailer - 6:17Skip to Synopsis - 8:20Skip to Review - 10:06Skip to Score - 14:41Skip to Spoilers - 20:51Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:12:44Skip to Taglines - 1:14:44 Skip to Announcing Pumpkin Carving Contest Winners - 1:18:05Skip to Outro and Special Thanks - 1:39:31 Big thanks to Dustin Goebel (@dgoebel00 on instagram) for the original artwork In his sophomore film, Robert Eggers follows up The Witch with a romcom set in Nova Scotia. Willem Defoe plays an experienced sailor, and Robert Pattinson plays his young and supple protege. In this will they won’t they romantic drama, they fight happiness every step of the way, until it finally wears them down.  Poster for The Lighthouse Here is the trailer. https://youtu.be/Hyag7lR8CPA The Lighthouse Trailer Synopsis for The Lighthouse (2019) Actually, The Lighthouse is about two lighthouse keepers, or wickies, that are stationed in a remote lighthouse in New England. Willem Defoe plays Thomas Wake, an elderly salty seaman, and Robert Pattinson plays Ephraim Winslow a young man trying out a new career. As Wake domineers over Winslow, forcing him to do all the hard labor up-keeping the tattered lighthouse, he spends the coveted watch basking naked in the glow of the lamp. Winslow wants some of that sweet naked basking action, and he slowly descend into madness. Review of The Lighthouse If you are going into this film expecting another The Witch, you are going to be disappointed. This is a much more surreal and confusing film.  However, what this movie does share with Eggers’ first film is a meticulously historically accurate film with a unique and striking visual style. While I might not have liked this film as much as I thought I would, I can’t help but have respect for Eggers’ ambitious artistic vision. Pattinson and Defoe are perfect casting for this film, and they both give amazing performances. There are some really great scenes and monologues in this film. General audiences will probably be turned off by a lot of the choices that were made in terms of narrative and visual style, but film students will be creaming over this movie for years to come. Is The Lighthouse a Horror Movie? Is this a horror movie? Kind of. It has enough horror elements to qualify it way more than a movie like Happy Death Day 2U. Most of the focus is on the tension between the two main characters, and the mental instability caused by seclusion and alcoholism. That being said, there are Lovecraftian and folkloric horror elements. Visual Style The most striking aspect of the visuals of the film is it's aspect. RATIO, that is. It is shot in 1.19:1 aspect ratio, which is basically square. It evokes a kind of claustrophobia and intimacy that is rare in a theatrical experience. This is not to say that we are unfamiliar with this framing in modern times. Instagram, is one of the most popular social media platforms for digesting imagery. It was shot on 35mm black and white Double-X 5222 film using a Panavision Millennium XL2 camera with vintage Baltar lenses from the early 20th century. The film stock required a much brighter light source to get exposure, so they had to use about 15 to 20 times more light on set to actually see anything on film. Because of this, the crew would often wear sunglasses. Sound Design The sound design on this film is great. Along with the anachronistic visual style, the sound on this film is mixed in mono. This doesn't hinder the film in any noticable manner. The music by Mark Korven stays out of the way, and mostly features wind instruments in an aleatoric style. This week we are reviewing Robert EggersThe Lighthouse. It’s a descent into madness that doesn’t hold your hand. The performances of Willem Defoe and Robert Pattinson are worth the price of admission, but everything related to the production design, sound, and script are all of the highest caliber.

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Big thanks to Dustin Goebel (@dgoebel00 on instagram) for the original artwork

In his sophomore film, Robert Eggers follows up The Witch with a romcom set in Nova Scotia. Willem Defoe plays an experienced sailor, and Robert Pattinson plays his young and supple protege. In this will they won’t they romantic drama, they fight happiness every step of the way, until it finally wears them down. 

Poster for The Lighthouse

Here is the trailer.

https://youtu.be/Hyag7lR8CPA
The Lighthouse Trailer

Synopsis for The Lighthouse (2019)

Actually, The Lighthouse is about two lighthouse keepers, or wickies, that are stationed in a remote lighthouse in New England. Willem Defoe plays Thomas Wake, an elderly salty seaman, and Robert Pattinson plays Ephraim Winslow a young man trying out a new career. As Wake domineers over Winslow, forcing him to do all the hard labor up-keeping the tattered lighthouse, he spends the coveted watch basking naked in the glow of the lamp. Winslow wants some of that sweet naked basking action, and he slowly descend into madness.

Review of The Lighthouse

If you are going into this film expecting another The Witch, you are going to be disappointed. This is a much more surreal and confusing film.  However, what this movie does share with Eggers’ first film is a meticulously historically accurate film with a unique and striking visual style. While I might not have liked this film as much as I thought I would, I can’t help but have respect for Eggers’ ambitious artistic vision. Pattinson and Defoe are perfect casting for this film, and they both give amazing performances. There are some really great scenes and monologues in this film. General audiences will probably be turned off by a lot of the choices that were made in terms of narrative and visual style, but film students will be creaming over this movie for years to come.

Is The Lighthouse a Horror Movie?

Is this a horror movie? Kind of. It has enough horror elements to qualify it way more than a movie like Happy Death Day 2U. Most of the focus is on the tension between the two main characters, and the mental instability caused by seclusion and alcoholism. That being said, there are Lovecraftian and folkloric horror elements.

Visual Style

The most striking aspect of the visuals of the film is it’s aspect. RATIO, that is. It is shot in 1.19:1 aspect ratio, which is basically square. It evokes a kind of claustrophobia and intimacy that is rare in a theatrical experience.

This is not to say that we are unfamiliar with this framing in modern times. Instagram, is one of the most popular social media platforms for digesting imagery.

It was shot on 35mm black and white Double-X 5222 film using a Panavision Millennium XL2 camera with vintage Baltar lenses from the early 20th century.

The film stock required a much brighter light source to get exposure, so they had to use about 15 to 20 times more light on set to actually see anything on film. Because of this, the crew would often wear sunglasses.

Sound Design

The sound design on this film is great. Along with the anachronistic visual style, the sound on this film is mixed in mono. This doesn’t hinder the film in any noticable manner.

The music by Mark Korven stays out of the way, and mostly features wind instruments in an aleatoric style.

The one sound that will stick with you is the sound of the foghorn. According to IMDB trivia, Damian Volpe, the sound designer on the film, consulted with J.J. Jamieson, a YouTuber that does tutorials on operating and maintaining foghorns. They made recordings of a period-accurate foghorn that Volpe then manipulated to create a foghorn sound that was uniquely ominous.

https://youtu.be/iHCmzvzCmhI
This Youtuber was a consultant on The Lighthouse.

Production Design

The production design on The Lighthouse was very impressive. The look of the film was historically accurate to the 1890s. They even built a full-sized working lighthouse in Nova Scotia for the film, They consulted with a historical lighthouse lens manufacturer to build a period appropriate lens.

Defoe and PAttinson in The Lighthouse
The full-sized, working lighthouse built for the production.

The interiors were shot on a sound stage, but looked they looked like they were right there next to the ocean.

The real star of the show was the weather. Eggers stated that a lot of the more dramatic shots of weather were real.

The Acting

The acting was superb by both leads. Willem Defoe was born to play a crusty ex-sailor lighthouse keeper. He plays with the appropriate gravitas and vulnerability that was demanded by the script.

Pattinson really shines here. This might be a career defining role for him. He has come a long way since Twilight and is hitting it out of the park in his latest roles. Pattinson plays Winslow perfectly in the beginning of the film as an empathy inducing protagonist opposite the overbearing Wake. But slowly and with much skill, he is able to show Winslows slow descent into madness and reveal many new colors within the character by the end of the film.

Robert Pattinson in The Lighthouse

Our Score

8/10

Spoilers for The Lighthouse

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Farts

This movie features a lot of farts. early and often. I really felt for poor Winslow, since I can empathize sitting across from a flatulator in a confined space.

There are a lot of confusing elements in this film by design. It’s hard to say whether some elements of the story are spoilers or not, given they are so open to interpretation.

Naked Lighthouse Keeping

One element of the story is that Winslow is very interested in usurping Wake in the coveted night watch in the lens room.

Winslow peeps on Wake at different times throughout the movie. Early on he sees Wake naked and drunk at the top of the tower. Wake is seemingly in love, or at the very least, enchanted with the lighthouse light.

Later Winslow is able to catch glimpses of Wake in the tower possibly having sex with a tentacled monster.

Bad Luck to Kill a Seabird

When Winslow complains about a meddling seagull, Wake informs him that “It’s bad luck to kill a seabird”.

Winslow doesn’t take Wake’s advice and is later shown violently killing the one-eyed seagull that keeps seemingly mocking him.

After the death of the bird, things do not go well for the pair. The wind changes and the boat that was supposed to relieve them couldn’t make landfall because of the poor weather. Winslow slowly goes crazy and the lighthouse itself starts coming apart at the seams.

One interpretation is that Winslow brought a curse upon himself by killing the seagull. However, it is just as likely that his hallucinations and violence are caused by his alcoholism. The change in their fates also coincided with Winslow starting to drink (immediately to excess).

It’s up for the audience to decide.

The Ending of The Lighthouse Explained

Winslow reveals to Wake that his real name is also Thomas and that he is responsible for the death of a lumberman that he used to work with. Winslow’s murderous side is revealed at the end of the movie when he violently attacks Wake and buries him alive.

He finally ascends the lighthouse tower to see what all the fuss is about. When we looks into the light, he is blinded and falls to his death on the rocks below. The final shot of the movie shows Winslow on the rocks with his entrails being eaten by seagulls.

Eggers has stated in interviews that the death was an allusion to the myth of Prometheus, the god that defied the other gods to give men light, and was condemned to live eternity tied to a rock and have an eagle eat his liver everyday.

Final Recommendations for The Lighthouse

This film is highly recommended, but if you are allergic to art-house film, you might need an Epi-pen. A lot of people are going to interpret a lot of the choices in this film as pretension, but it is undeniably a well crafted film with interesting and compelling characters. You definitely won’t find another film like this one in recent history.

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Horror Movie Talk Episode 69: The Lighthouse Review Transcript

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Five being a perfectly average film that hits all the expected marks on 10. Being so good at transcends yonder bandage. I mean, you all know what one through 10 mean. After we give our score, we go into a deeper dive into what we liked and hated about the film and talk about spoilers. And then, later on, we will be doing a couple bits. Number one perennial favorite tag lines where we come up with alternate taglines for the film and then drum roll. We’re gonna announce the winner of our pumpkin carving contests are super super popular pumpkin carving. Actually, it turned out to be like there was a lot of last minute under the wire submission. Yeah, it was like the last day people were like, Fuck this shit I’m in, like, yeah, yeah, and actually, I’m gonna I’m leaving this leaving it on. I haven’t turned it up. So if within the next 20 minutes, as we’re recording not that everyone knows that we are, if someone submits, will will include them. And, I mean, it’s not so popular that we can’t review Every single pumpkin was on air, was it? Was it like, 10 or 11 pumpkin. Some, like there was 99 pumpkin, nine pumpkins. But some really impressive. Yeah. They range the gamut from total absolute abject shit to the most amazing pumpkins I’ve ever seen. So within nine is apparently that’s That’s the amount you need right to. That is a decent sample size to get a winner, right? So again, we went to the lighthouse and it was a descent into madness. Truly a descent into madness. Here is the trailer. Oh, take me. What’s a timber man want with being a wicky? Just looking around living. It’s like any man starting new on the way secrets, you know? Wait, How long have we been on this rock point? Weeks. Two days? Let me recollect. Man, That foghorn sounds like a kaiju. What, like a Godzilla type monster? Oh, yeah, it sure does. Yeah. You know, just before we go on, I am gonna have to apologize for my voice. I, uh I’m ill now. It sounds great. Sounds rough. And Hey, baby, humble rough and or tumble. Tell us about the lighthouse price. The lighthouse is in theaters right now. I’m pretty excited to talk about this movie. Yeah, this this one is a very interesting movie to talk about. Yeah, um it’s very specifically that Yeah, like that’s what this movie was made for. It is definitely a film student film. Yeah, and I mean film student in that film, students for a long time, we’re gonna be talking about this film. Oh, my God. There’s just me so many wet panties in that. So, in a sophomore film, Robert Eggers follows up The Witch with a romcom sent in Nova Scotia. William Dafoe plays an experienced sailor, and Robert Pattinson plays his young, simple protege in this Will they won’t they? Romantic drama. They fight happiness every step of the way until it finally wears them down. Finally wears them down. I spat out my teeth. Actually, the lighthouse is about to lighthouse keepers or weak ese that are stationed in remote Lighthouse. In New England, Willem Dafoe plays Thomas Wake, an elderly, salty seamen. And Robert Pattinson plays E from Winslow, a young man trying out a new career as Wake Domine ears over Winslow, forcing him to do all the hard labour of upkeep for the tattered lighthouse. He spends the coveted watch at night, basking naked in the warm glow of the lamp. Literal, yeah, basking naked. Yeah, that’s don’t worry about it. Winslow wants some of that sweet, naked, basking action, and he slowly descent into madness. So I’m glad you had fun with this. If you’re going into this film expecting another the witch, you’re going to be disappointed, Um, but disappointed that it’s not the same type of film and the witch it’s you know you won’t necessarily be disappointed in the film. No, but ifit’s a particular type of film, and it’s gonna turn off a lot of people for a lot of reasons. Yeah, for a lot of reasons in, You know, I said to you yesterday, and this holds true is you gotta like before we record You just gotta, like, scream and lose your voice because you sound just really radio right now. Beautiful. Yeah. Um, So I was disappointed that this movie wasn’t what I wanted it to be, which was another like, slow build tension horror movie. It’s not that it’s not, Ah, horror movie, and it just have slow build. Tension does have a lot attention, but it’s a different kind, right? And it’s about a different, totally different. The the build is into madness instead of into terror, right, which is a a terror in and of itself a little bit, but it is kind of specific, right, and it’s a great movie. It’s just not the same movie at all, right. This is a much more surreal and confusing film than the which, however, what this movie does share with Eggers, his first film is a meticulous, historically accurate film with a unique and striking visual style. Yeah, well, while I might not have loved this film as much as I thought I would I can’t help but have respect for Eggers is ambitious artistic vision. Um And then the other main thing is Pattinson and foe are amazing. I can’t I cannot I cannot believe how good patents in this. Yeah, they was. First of all, it’s perfect casting for both of them. Yeah, absolutely different. Defoe is obviously, like, so perfect for at this point, he’s like a perfectly ripe fruit. He’s just got he just got it down for acting. Yeah, but Pattinson blew me away. Like I was like, Oh, the guy from fucking twilight. Okay. Yeah, all right. But in particular I mean, William Dafoe. Willem Dafoe is a fantastic actor, and he couldn’t be great in anything but in particular this type of role. Oh, yeah, he is so good at I believe he’s that guy. Um they both give amazing performances. There are some really great scenes and monologues in here. General audiences are probably going to be turned off by a lot of the choices that are made in terms of narrated in terms of narrative and visual style. But film students will be creaming over this movie for years to come. I mean, it is just fascinating. And I mean, that’s what the takeaway from listening to our e aster and Robert Eggers in that a 24 podcast. The episode. They’re both huge film nerds like You just really like deep dives into history of filmmaking and, you know, lenses, 100 Eggers shots and stuff. So it comes out in this movie you can really tell in this movie. Well, almost to the point where it’s a little bit like yeah, okay, guy looking to shoot in 11 like, Yeah, I mean, it’s It’s a little that’s a little so that shooting in a 11 ratio makes it almost like on the surface. Do she? Yeah. I mean, it’s it would be very easy, And I’m sure there’s gonna be plenty of people in our horror or just General Egg. And general audiences are gonna look at this and be like, Well, this guy’s a huge, pretentious douche, right? Like this is just but also it is insulting to my sensibility. If he is that he’s way better at it than anybody else. Oh, yeah? Yeah, you know, kind of Shut up. Yes. I mean, it’s still a great movie. Is this a horror movie? Kind of. It has enough horror elements to qualify. Um, it’s way more of a horror movie than Happy Death Day to you. Oh, my God. Ah, But most of the focus is on the tension between the two main characters and the mental instability caused by seclusion and alcoholism. That being said, there are definitely some Lovecraft ian and folkloric or elements in here. So I kind of struggled with a score for this because I can recognize that it is a great, great film, but also, it’s not completely for me, right? I was There was some really great moments that I really enjoyed, but I don’t know if I’m going to be revisiting this film very much. And I know I laughed several parts and wince like it was very effective. Oh, yeah, and really beautiful. Um, but I can’t give it a 10 out of 10 like I did the witch e. I think the which is just a perfect movie. And this one I don’t know. I mean, it’s It’s just It’s so subjective. It’s a preference thing, but I give it a eight out of 10. Yeah, so I, too, have been thinking about this score. Excuse me for a while now, and Ah, and I seem to be hovering around a 72 and nine. And I know what you’re talking about. Like with the witch. Um, there’s nothing. There’s no fat on the bone. It all it’s all it’s all very wait well laid out. It’s all very intentional. But the problem is, the subject matter of this is losing your mind and so happy. And so there is a lot of nefarious, weird, extraneous baloney, right? That adds to that in ways that well, that could’ve been cut out. But could it right? Like Okay, well, now I get to see Willem Defoe kind of humping his bed in a in a in a in a take. This isn’t the spoiler section sleeping in a peeping tom sort of way. Is that necessary? Well, no. But also yes, because like, this is about two men going mad together, right? And ah, and so I think I think in If you ask me in eight months the same way. If you ask me in eight months about the house that Jack built, I think I’ll like this movie a lot more. Yeah, yeah, and it’s a good point in so because Because my expectations will have been tempered and I won’t I won’t expect another which I will have gone. Oh, that’s a movie about losing your mind. And it’s perfect at that. Yeah, and so I don’t know. I think I think I fall between eight and nine. Something like that. I’m not crazy ecstatic about it. Yeah, and that’s a taste thing, But it’s a It’s a great movie, so you gotta choose. Is it eight or nine? That’s I mean right now as as it as it stands, I’d say it’s a high eight. Okay, Yeah, see? I mean, I originally was going to give it a seven, and then I stood back and I was like Huh, It’s too good to be a seven iss. It really is that the quality of the of the craft is so impressive. Acting alone makes is so is so great yet that it has for me, it’s just Oh my God like it was so, so brilliant watching the chemistry between the phone patents and like, yeah, I mean, it’s enchanting. Yeah, it was. It was it. And it’ll stick with you in a weird sort of salty breeze kind of way. Yeah, so that’s our score. Before we get into spoilers, let’s talk about some business items. This is what we call our mid roll section. Please check out our patri on if your ah, long time listener or if you’re starting to get into the show and like it, support us directly by going to our patron, you’ll get access to special patron bonus content. 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Yeah, so yeah, again. Thanks for listening. Let’s get into school. Boilers, boilers, Spoilers. Okay, so this is a movie that you don’t necessarily have to talk about all the beats of it of the film because I still don’t really know what went on through a lot of it. There’s a couple things to hit in terms of plot, but really, I wanted to talk about it’s some of the It would be annoying in the extreme to hit it be by being Yeah, so just want to talk about some of the elements that stood out and that were really great and unique about this film. Um, first of all, the visual style is really striking right off the bat. It’s you really hard if they start out on a ship in the fog. And it’s just this gray screen with this haunting like you like he said, Like Kaiju esque, um moaning, foghorn in the distance. That’s just that kind of shakes the whole theater. Yeah, well, that would be sound. Um, but we’re talking about visual style. Oh, my apologies. Sorry. Put you on blast. So first thing that you notice is ah, the aspect ratio is 1.19 by one, which is basically square. Yeah, it looks like an instagram frame. And it’s one of those things that and it’s in black and white. So black and white square aspect ratio And even I knowing Eggers and that this is gonna be a super artistic film. And I think I even heard that the aspect ratio was gonna be that. But even I was expecting after the intro to be like and now it widens out in tow. Widescreen. It’s like, No, no, you The full time is that aspect ratio super confined and claustrophobic, which actually works really good for the subject matter. Yeah, and the and there are not a lot of any time you’re with a person in this movie, you’re close to them. It the framing is Cloris. It’s lots of close ups. Yeah, and I mean putting it in that aspect ratio is really interesting in terms of the balance of the conflict, the framing of it, of the shots. I don’t know, it’s it just has a really unique style is really evocative, Um, showing stuff in such unequal framing. You know that the one thing that does bother me about like Ma modern movie trends is this is and it’s inescapable at this point, it seems like because even the lighthouse is doing it, which is these cut These jump cut edits where you just cut back and forth between two people talking instead of having a full frame of them talking. And I understand the reasoning behind it in this moving. But in movies like Transformers or something like that, work just any blockbuster movie where you constantly have to be looking directly at the face of the person who is talking to the other person, who then it jumps to and it it cuts up the movie in this weird, like if you go back and watch Hitchcock or if you go back and watch movies from from the forties or fifties that you get these long panning shots that are that are granted, they’re probably much, much harder to capture in terms of acting, because you can just have a take. You have to have people act against each other very, very in a very convincing way, and it doesn’t lend itself to the cutting room floor very well. But I would like to see a movie that doesn’t that has these long panning shots. Yeah, it feels like older movies definitely used the two and three shot a lot more and put put people in the you know, what would he call that? They stage it a lot better toe, but it’s also the films of those older generations are also much more closely related to stage, and so they’re used to blocking for Stage two, where you know people are frame to sir, they’re they’re facing a certain way. It’s where it’s all very convenient to see him at the same spot, right, But it’s But for the viewer, it’s a continuity thing. It’s a little bit disorienting. It’s I didn’t notice that in this in this movie I mean, there’s a lot of jump cuts and stuff that that air a little giant on purpose. But I didn’t know specifically that, Um, I mean, it’s something that I watch for just because my uncle well will literally not watch anything past a certain year because he’s like It’s too. He noted that he said, he’s basically it’s just just too jarring for me and I don’t I don’t appreciate the craft as much as I do. And so now I have an eye out for it. And, ah, that’s interesting. And he’s right, you know it is. It is choppy. But anyway, so the look of this film is also affected by the technology used. They used some really, really old technology. Older lenses, older cameras really film, nerdy stuff, older film stock. The film stock was I’m not a nerd enough to actually say what the film they used was. But what I did find out about it is that it requires really high exposure, like you have to have said something like they had the light it like 20 times brighter than normal. Thio, get stuff visual, you know. So apparently, even though this film feels really dark, really 10 through a lot of it, apparently, like the thing the Via Crew would have to wear like sunglasses a lot of the time because it was so brightly lit. That’s crazy. Um, and this all gives the effect that this film is plucked out of time. Yeah, it’s there’s a shot early on of Dafoe and patents and basically looking in the frame as they’re approaching the lighthouse or their know they’re looking at the at the boat sail away beginning and it literally looks like an old West photo or like a World war documentary shot, just like Okay, guys, stand here. I just wanna I just want to get a shot of E. And it looks like two grizzled war veterans that are like, what? I got to stand here and do this shit money I got. I gotta feed them hogs, you know, like it’s the so I mean, there’s a lot of that element that all this visual style really evokes. Yeah, and as in right following that as the boat as they’re watching the boat slip away into the fog. It feels like a miniature Feels like they’re using a miniature boat. Then they Maybe because it slips off into like this What feels like a miniature set? Yeah, and missed. It kind of just disappears into the mist. Um, okay, let’s Now, let’s talk about the sound design of the movie, which is also fantastic. Um, like you said, What were you gonna say about the foghorn? Oh, it was just It was rattling. And it was, you know, it was, um Yeah. Okay, so if you’re going to if you’re going to live on top of the foghorn and there’s fog around, it’s going to be pervasive to the extreme. I mean, the sound is just going to be all encompassing. And it felt that way in the theater. It felt it felt like, uh, oppressive. It was this, um Oh, it was like a war siren and it Ah, it was loud and deep and long and it didn’t stop. It felt it felt a little Tetsuo the Iron Man e at the start of this movie, when he’s like in the, uh, in the coal room, you know? Yeah. And the result this machinery around him. It felt very claustrophobic and loud. Yeah, so the that sound. They used recordings of period accurate foghorns. Apparently, the sound designer on this film went to this guy on YouTube that makes YouTube videos, of course, maintaining foghorn landlord about period foghorns. I think I’ve actually seen some of the videos which are really soothing, like it just shows him, like oiling and maintaining these old foghorns, and you see it winding up and slowly, like the machinery’s like taking away, and then it slowly winds up. Ah, you know, it’s really cool anyway, So they took the, like, the period accurate foghorn sounds, and they manipulated them to be more ominous, memorable and unique to the film. It really is a unique sound and very like menacing. Yeah, and the in the sound of the ocean. And the weather is always in the background and always, always kind of washing over you and the music is there, but it’s pretty sparse. It doesn’t get in the way. Um, Eggers talked about just what he wanted with the film. He didn’t want a lot of strings. He didn’t want a lot of, um, you know, orchestrations a lot of wins, Um, mentioned like Alia torque music, which is kind of random chance music chanting No chance. What’s chance? Like roll of the dice Chance I don’t I still don’t know what you’re talking about. Probability. Oh, chance. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um, So I thought you were saying C h a N t s. And like explaining that dice were an instrument. Bryce, are you insane? The production design? Same. Same with, uh, his previous movie, the which is really impressive. Yeah, just period accurate. They look fantastic. They built an actual life sized working lighthouse from scratch in Nova Scotia. Are you serious? Yeah. So they didn’t They didn’t build all the interiors and stuff, but the the exterior, it was all built up life size, but it is working because they had a period appropriate lighthouse lens created for the film. It’s like, Wow, that’s really cool. And when Robert Eggers talks about the budget is like, yeah, I mean, it was kind of a moderate budget, but I can’t even sometimes I’m I just have to stand back and realize and filmmaking. It’s really expensive. Can you imagine just going to a period lighthouse Lens creator being like, this is the specific dimensions and this is what we’re going for. And they’re like, OK, yeah, well, well, that guy goes home to his wife and he’s like, So well, Ah, film studio approached me and asked me to craft them 1\/2 $1,000,000 light house deal. So, yeah, they really built it. You know, it’s built out of, like, plywood and and apparently, like some kind of printed tarp or whatever, but it looked great. Apparently, the the town in Nova Scotia that could see the lighthouse really wanted to keep it because it looked so cool. But it was gonna fall apart anyway, so they had to tear it down. That’s crazy. Yeah, And then they’re the interiors, though, were shot on a soundstage. A lot of the weather was just practical, like, I mean, not not practical. It was like, literally, that was the weather that was there. I think some of the more extreme ones, like when the wind and rain blows through the wall, you know? Yeah, like, basically destroys the room. That’s probably done on a sound stage. But the exteriors, I don’t think they had to pump in rain. That was really happening. The ocean. I’m sure they were able to shoot the ocean. I was a harsh mistress. Eso it just looks really great. Feel there’s a lot of care and attention given to the look of this film and also speaking of period, appropriate all the dialogue, just like the which was taken from period sources taken from Melville. And it was the other author, another like sailor author and then, like a, I think a nonfiction er or someone like taking interviews from sailors back then and so there’s a lot of words that you’re not used to like Wiki. It would. It would definitely help. Um, this movie, I think, if particularly if Dafoe was subtitled, yeah, because he I mean, he goes hard on on being like, Accurate and e. I mean, he accomplishes like, you know, that old Irishman sound where you’re just like, What the fuck did you say is I like you brought from front and he’s like, is like, It’s like, God damn, I can’t understand a fucking word that you’re saying for a friend. Yeah. I mean, it’s not so bad that you won’t completely understand them and a lot of that old sailor talk like you’ve seen from, you know, parodies of sailors from from that time. Um, but definitely a lot of words that you’re not used to, and a lot of phrases that feel very, you know, real to the time period. So the acting is the standout part. I mean, that’s That’s the one thing like the look and the production and the sound are all amazing. But all of that is completely eclipsed by the performances of the phone. Pattinson. Yeah, it’s and Defoe has I mean he Okay, so obviously the foe is one of those guys who every time you see Amigo, that’s Willem Dafoe. At this point, I kind of like Steve Buscemi or his voice is really distinctive. And his voice is really he’s got. He’s able to have a lot of different colors in his voice, but definitely like the low growl is like his. His a wheelhouse. Yeah, and and so with that being said, it’s as a super recognizable actor I am that makes your job a lot harder, in my opinion, because now you gotta fade into into your character and it’s it’s all it’s made all the more difficult by the fact that everybody knows what you look and sound like. And they go, that’s who you are. But But he did it, man. He disappeared into this role. He is in this. He’s a stinky old, salty bastard who is just ah, his only love is the sea. And, um, man, just a just a fabulous performance. Yeah, I mean, he’s fantastic. And you would expect, like, Okay, this is perfect for Willem Dafoe, and he’s gonna just rocket. And then you kind of expect Lee. I mean, I haven’t seen Robert patents, and I’m a lot of movies. No, I know he’s a better actor than to The Twilight Series would give you the impression, but he was really amazing. Crushed it like, really, he is the He is leading the movie with his performance, a lot of rain. She’s starts out. The film is a really quiet spoken character and really elicits a lot of empathy from the viewer. You’re like, Oh, man, this poor guy like it’s has to deal with this old crusty sailor and it’s kind of unjust, and you’re really, like getting behind him like, yeah, I’m like I’m on board with with, um What’s his name? Uh, went Winslow Elias. Elijah? No. Uh, l l m Allen from e from Winslow, Calum. And ah. And then he just slowly kind of kind of loses you devolves into evolves into, like, to where it’s like, Well, wait a minute. He’s kind of He’s kind of being selfish here is kind of being childish about this. Maybe is not as mature. Yeah, he’s a person now and then. And then it goes into like, Oh, well, that’s Oh, this this guy is making some real bad choices. Yeah, and, ah, it goes real hard into the paint. Yeah, he devolves into a flawed person instead of, you know, basically a ah ah, beating a whipping boy Lots of moments in between. Between ah, being a really empathetic character and and protagonist to like, Oh, this guy’s the villain. Kind of Yeah, yeah, but is he like that’s that’s That’s the coolest part of this movie, is is the movie is essentially gas lighting the audience right? Um, the whole time and I love it. I love that. If it does it, it manages to to mess with you the whole way through and make you question everything that’s going on. Yeah, and it’s not. See, it’s not as obvious as a movie like Memento or right or ah, what’s the other one? That this movie is a lot like What’s that? Leo DiCaprio, Martin Scorsese Island Shutter Island? Um, like they’re more obvious ways to, like right to trick the viewer and to show like, Hey, this isn’t what you thought it was right? And this is much more plane with colors like that that that was one thing that I wrote down that even those is a black and white film. This is a very it deals with colors in terms of thematic material and just the the subject matter and how it’s house approached. It’s like a lot of different. Well, it does. It does what I prefer a movie like this does instead of instead of Okay. So it was a great example that you bring up Memento or Shutter Island. So these these movies have truths at the end of them, right? They have absolute truths that they go. No, here’s the answer here. Here’s what actually is really going on, and this movie does not do that, it leaves it fairly. La Billy. It’s like I Which part of that was actually which part of that was actually riel? There are parts that you can pretty easily deduce. That’s probably was him going mad. But there’s plenty of spots where it’s like I don’t I don’t I still don’t know, like, and he leaves it to you to just be like, This is madness, man. Yeah, you’re going. You’re descending with them. It really feels. Feels like an experience. Yeah, days. So the the uncertainty brought in is okay. How much of this is alcoholism vs insanity or what’s the interplay between that? How much of the events are actually supernatural vs, like, hallucinations and madness? Yeah, like that’s names Li like, how much of it is a dream? Yeah, And how much of it is? Is Winslow going mad versus wake fucking with him, right? Like it’s all and you’re never liked all that stuff you’re never given. Never get really straight answer. And like the whole time is it seems as though Wake is a puppeteer and is and is trying to drive this this boy mad. But he’s pretty crazy. Yeah, it comes down to its an unreliable narrator is It’s very much like American Psycho is that you don’t It’s never tipped off whether it’s really eso eso the stuff that happens where Wake says something that completely contradicts what you just saw. Just out with your eyes. And he’s saying, Like So for example, there’s a great scene. Very Ah, the shining esque Uh, you know, actually, this movie, uh, I didn’t write it down, but this movie is a lot like the shining. Yeah, you’re absolutely right. The the actual like book storyline of it cause the Shining is all about alcoholism. Yeah, like the actual source material. And that’s not as clear in the Kubrick movie to me upon first viewing, but it’s really about isolation and alcoholism. And that’s this movie. Yeah, it’s absolutely and ah, so it has this great scene where we see Pattinson chasing after Defoe. No, we see Defoe chasing after Pattinson with an axe like a literal axe murderer in Chase, and they get back to the interior of the lighthouse and they’re talking about it and then wake our Defoe tells Pattinson, was like, you’re going crazy. You just chase me down with an axe. Yeah, and you’re like, Well, wait, the flat the fuck. So So you have your left a question? Did what I see is that not what actually happened was that in Winslow’s head four is wake fucking with Winslow by telling them something opposite happened. And since he’s drunk, he can’t tell the difference. There’s an added element of of the audience being fucked with Yulia. Whoa! Very disorienting. Yeah, it’s disorienting in. You’re just just messing with your head because you go Wait, What? That’s no, wait. What rank and then is such an unreliable narrator because they’re both pretty drunk. I mean, Wake is less drunker towards the 2nd 3rd of the movie like so it’s It’s like, Ah, if it’s through the eyes of Winslow, it’s not reliable. But also if through the eyes awake, it’s not reliable either. You don’t know Wake is lying. Winslow is maybe going crazy. Yeah, Or maybe it is. Maybe he’s not lying for me. He’s not lying. Maybe Winslow is just misinterpreting it, or it’s through his crazy hallucination or something. So you have lots of uncertainty in this one. Um, we went and saw this with Kevin. Um, Kevin wasn’t able to make it to their recording today. I don’t know if he’ll ever be able to make it. I hope he does. Does the audience know who Kevin is? We’ve talked about Kevin once or twice before. Kevin is Ah, long time friend of mine since first grade. Yeah. Um, and he’s we nerd out about film all the time, But he sent me a couple e mails followed up with last night, and I wanted to read some of his comments. Um, first of all, he says on a theme, Hold that one for later. Hey, says, by the way, Thomas Wake is such a fucking fantastic name for an old salty lighthouse keeper, Which is true, Kevin really nerds out of names. And if you ever want to come up with a name for a character in a movie, Kevin, like, is great at coming up with the ridiculous names. Okay, Um, just f y i and he says and again Robert Pattinson. I don’t know if you’re planning on talking about this on the podcast, but I would personally dedicate a whole segment in it. The guy was so stiff in the Twilight Films that he resembled Frankenstein’s monster trying to portray Dracula and has been reeling off one amazing performance after another. As of late, I never saw it coming. Yeah, he’s really impressive in this. Yeah, it’s hard. Okay, so, like, this is such a weird thing. Like it’s so snobby to toe Look at an actor and okay, so my my reaction is there could be good good actors in in what I call Twilight, but there are. But also I don’t like. I particularly don’t like Kristen Stewart. Uh, I think she’s bad. And so I just now there’s this thing that my mind does where it’s like, Oh, you’re associated with Kristen Stewart. Sorry and and and Twilight is hit with, like a triple dose of that right. It’s also a twilight, and there’s Kristen Stewart, and you play it super stiff and your heartthrob like it’s just too much. It’s too much for you to be good in my eyes, and then you come out and you do like an amazing job, and I’m like you’ve overcome my bar when surpassed it. So much so that now I have to stand back and go boy. I’m kind of a dick. Yeah, and also, it turns it into Okay, well, now I got to see what else he’s in, right. Um, it’s interesting the transition of teenage heartthrobs, especially the male version of it, that they It’s hard for them to overcome that I’m sure it’s harder for for women to overcome that. But really, if you think about like Zac Effron or Robert Pattinson, they’re both actually really great actors, like they’re they’re able to give really great performances, but they have to overcome a lot of that like womb. And we’ll leave. Do I get to see his and and for good reason to Zac Effron is a fucking looker. You have a person. Why would I would fuck That is stunning to look at, right? It’s and I mean, there’s no way. If if I were to cash Zac Effron in a in 1\/17 century period piece, I’d have him take a shirt off at some point. Probably his pants, too, because Jesus, front on that on that note, like even Robert Pattinson to Robert Pattinson or, um uh, McConaughey like he’s he’s so yeah, he’s so like colored by his abs. Yeah, and not wearing a shirt that you don’t realize that he’s a fantastic actor. Yeah, all all of them Stunt, like in Pattinson in this lake. Thank God they had him take off his shirt because at some point he took off his shirt like Jesus Christ, that man is chiseled. Oh, man. Well, yeah. Apparently they’re gonna show a lot more of Robert Pence and Root. I heard that there was a shot in the film that was cut. Um was demanded to be cut by the film studio. I think Robert Eggers wanted to have a shot of the lighthouse, um, emulating an erect Penis and then flash cut to an actual erect Penis. Oh, um, owned by stunt Robert Robert Pattinson’s character. So I don’t I don’t know. If it were, that will bring out the stunt cock. I mean, that’s that’s a real tragedy. If it was actually Robert Pattinson’s Kaka that we that we aren’t allowed to see here. Well, that just means you gotta wait for the blue ray. Um hey, you know, ball Ray, I would really like to talk about the smell in this movie star. One of the parts. One of the main element to this movie is the farts. This is great. Um mm. Yeah. Willem Dafoe. Basically, our introduction to him as the characters is him. Pass, pass, pass, pass theme Really big rips it. Sze pervasive and it works Every time I laughed probably every time every day because it is just a old man type. I don’t give a fuck farting and you just see patents and reaction to it. And, you know, I really felt I felt very akin to to that man because it’s basically like what I experienced every day in a podcast. You recording? Yeah. Realizing you’re stuck with a fart er is a hard thing to come to turn through. It’s like, Oh, this guy just doesn’t do my wife my poor wife, like last night and the night before, even like Like, you take a walk out of out of our bedroom in the morning, you know, for five minutes and then come back in and it’s like, Oh, my God, I’m no longer Akeelah mated. 00 it smells so bad. She’s like you were just hot boxing me all nightly. I had some beers at the movie. It made me gassy. Um, yeah, yeah, it was It was gross, but But this dude stuck with a fart er for seven months or no, maybe a month. I think the original. The original stay for their watch was four weeks, it says. And then they said that was what I they missed the boat. And then it’s or the boat doesn’t come because of a storm. We don’t know. It’s undefined on how long this actually takes place, but they go through all of their supplies and they have toe unburied the the emergent emergency store rations, which is just alcohol, apparently like we don’t need like any pickled eggs or anything. Let’s just let’s just give them vodka like a giant box of vodka. Well, I mean it it is. It’s it’s truly is the most important part because when you don’t have potable water, you you need calories and you need you need to be able to drink insult that this is a really This is why sailors were drunk all the time is because they did. They could not store enough potable water and s o and they like to drink, So it worked out very well because one has calories. Yeah. So, um yeah, there’s so much to talk about in this movie. We way e beauty like so this movie like Okay, so they get to the lighthouse and and and quickly, it’s it’s the hierarchy is established. A foe is like, Hey, you’re the bitch. Go do the bitch things. I’m going to take the cool. I’m He’s like, I’m cool, man. Hot shit over here. And I’m going to do the cool man hot shit stuff, which is I’m a sin in the lighthouse at night. And look at the the lighthouse inside the with the with the light and ah, but then almost immediately, it’s like, Whoa, this is fucking weird because his first shift, he’s he gets drunk off his ass and he goes and sits up with the lighthouse, like in the light house naked. And I mean haggard, like, just blitzed out of his mind. One eye is almost close, and he’s sitting there just like cheers ing with the lighthouse as though it is a person that he is in love with very much right. And he’s like to ye e beauty and, uh like what the fuck is going on? Because he’s like touching himself. Kind of. Yeah, Robert Pattinson’s character climbs up the lighthouse to kind of see what’s going on. And Cem come comes down like some come drops past him is like, Whoa, yeah, come Well, there’s the 1st 1 It just looks like the first time you see the fellow up there. Um, he is naked and he is really drunk. And there’s something going on between him and the light, but you don’t know. And then later I think before, yes, before, um, the madness really starts or before, like the out before. Ah, before points starts, drinking starts drinking. Yeah, he goes up there and there’s like you can spot like a tentacle in the corner, something someone’s fucking similarly, some fast moving tentacles. And there’s like, Come or tentacle juice dripping down. And it’s like what is going on? So and again, this is before he started drinking. So is it in his mind? And this is really happening? This is what I love the most. This is my favorite move that a movie can do. It’s not like you don’t ever get to know it’s just What the fuck was that? I love it. Yeah. So the main point is, is Wenzel doesn’t drink, He wants to live by the books. And he’s like, citing the lighthouse Keeper’s Manual. And and wake is trying to get him to, you know, be a little looser and be more, you know, fun and talk to him. Yeah, I’m stuck here for a long time with you. Can you please hold up your end of this social bargain? Yeah. And it’s not until they missed the boat. Is that the last day? Um, there last night, patents and finally breaks down and takes a drink. And they get roaring drunk immediately, like they are just completely blasted. And then the next morning, when they go out and wait for the boat, the boat never comes. So from then on, though, like Winslow does not go back to sober living, he is 100% into the paint with drinking. Yeah, and there’s some there. Some Ah, Woody Woody call some symbolic imagery and some symbolic shit going on in this movie as well with seagulls and burger seabirds. Yeah, that’s don’t kill a sea bird. Yeah, I guess before that point, kind of the the main turning point of the movie. It’s a bold fucking Siegel that they have the hefty Siegel’s and 11 night Siegel, in particular kind of is really annoying and mocking Pattinson’s character and Thomas Wake Dafoe’s character makes it a big point. Two. Don’t fuck with Siegel’s, he says It’s bad luck to kill Seabird because there it’s even says in the trailer there. How’s the souls of sailors passed? And then, of course, what happens? He murders the fuck out of Siegel. He kills that thing shitless. Yeah, he really just grabbed that Siegel and rams it into the side of a rock like over and over and over and over again on. And that’s when the turning point is, that’s when the wind changes. And when they missed the boat and then all of a sudden it’s like a really deep dive into madness. And that’s when a lot of the kind of supernatural or horror elements kind of start coming in. Winslow spots a mermaid. Yeah, it kind of goes full Jumanji it. After that, it’s like it’s like just the place starts coming down around them because this storm just won’t let up, right? There’s some fucking There’s some animals coming out of the sea looking to fuck like it’s weird. You get a really good. I mean, we don’t get to see it Pattinson’s dick, but you get a really good shot of some mermaid puss. Yeah, it’s like a screen flash of like, the most vaginal thing I can think of which it was just a flash. Wasn’t like a long shot of a vagina. I can see it right now, but yeah, I can too. So they talked about how they came up with that. They based it on the shark vaginas. Apparently they tried to make a real, real vaginal home. Thio add that element of Yeah, it was a talking point of a flower, you know, it was like woo. Yeah, that’s the sound booth. They apparently historically, mermaids had split tails like on the Starbucks Cup. You know, because part of the big part of the reason for the mythology around mermaids is that you got horny semen and they want to fuck something like it would be easier if there’s, you know, setting something up there. Yeah, And then, of course, in the Victorian era, they put the tail back together where there’s no vagina. So you’re like, Well, why am I attracted to this? What? Well, I mean, I guess you know it Got handing them out Dolphins d stuff. Um, you know, uh, the horn in this is a big part of this movie. Oh, yeah. A big, huge part. Yeah. And it’s it’s almost analogue Ori of, like, situational homosexuality. Yes. Yeah. There’s a huge element of, like, just all of a sudden you’re like, are things going? But is that what’s gonna isn’t about to get his butt stinky in here? Yeah. And, ah, Like I said, it’s a joke. But really, there is an element of will. They won’t think in this movie. Yeah, absolutely. There is. And it’s understandable to you, like I mean, Okay, so ah, buddy of mine. One of our one of our patron members, Adrian was telling I was he was talking to him this week and he said, um, you know what are you reviewing its in the lighthouse? And he said, Oh, you know, So he just he just hiked a a trail, um called the Westcoast Trail and It’s in a Victoria Island, um, in British Columbia there and lots of lighthouses along the way. And ah, and lighthouses are still ah, thing you know, it’s not. It’s they’re not gone. There’s there are still people who inhabit them as well, and which is kind of crazy because everything’s got GPS. Now, why would you need a light to show you where the shortest? Well, because because not everything is a giant commercial vessel. And and, um And there is a service that the government needs to provide, too, to make sure that people are safe. And part of that is Coast Guard. On the other part is light houses. And and so these people who in hat he was telling me, these people who inhabit these lighthouses, you know, they could they go out there for seven month shifts, seven month shifts. Where there alone? Yeah, for seven months, they get, they get rat, you know, they get rations brought to them and books and stuff, but they’re essentially alone in a lighthouse in the middle of the ocean for a long time. And, uh and I think I would like, do something like that. Yeah, but I mean, if I didn’t have a family. Well, maybe because but but yeah, I mean, it’s It’s one of these things where it’s like, how How much would you say you masturbate in those seven months? Seven months worth of masturbation? Straight like a I don’t know. It’s just It’s one of those things where it’s like, Yeah, I mean, it would be on if there was another person there. Well, who knows? I mean, I mean, the rations would have to be all right. So we need, you know, three squares a day. We need probably like enough books to read one a day. And then you’d also need to, like, ship in an entire industrial barrel of lube. Yeah. And lotion and lotion. Just I mean, that salty sea air is not kind to your skin. No. Yeah. You’re going to get real chapped hands, and that’s not gonna be you’re gonna come out of there looking like a 75 year old man, and your dick’s gonna look like it’s 14. Yeah, you do, man, if you had, like, a one of those Ah, Woody column, Flashlight like the Yeah, flashlight. Like a pushy sleeve. That thing would just be sleep, just like melted. By the time you’re halfway through your stint, I need another pussy slave. Be ragged. Give me one of them. But sleeves, I’ll tell you what they need to make one of those mermaid pussy sleeves and then Okay, well, that’s a drop pussy. All right. And then, um, yeah, slow to send a madness. And then, you know, at this point, there’s not really a lot to talk about in terms of what happens. But the major spoiler is Doesn’t end up well, they both die. Um, I just wanted to touch briefly on my favorite scenes. Like, I think the best things in the movie if we haven’t talked about him already. Um, there’s a great scene where Winslow criticizes wakes lobster like it’s the breaking point. He’s like, You know what? Fuck you. Fuck you, old man. And you’re cooking sucks. And then and then Wake Dafoe’s character goes on this impressively long and elaborate ranting tirade. You know, just it felt like a Shakespearean lights. Feelings are hurt. He’s feeling to hurt. He’s like, don’t calling upon the powers of Poseidon and and don’t let me lob stirred her sing them and and like calling down the the supernatural elements of the sea to destroy Winslow for not liking this lobster on then at the end wins those like I like your lobster. All right. I like your laughter. It’s all right. That’s a fantastic scene. And I wish I could pull that for for this episode, but that’s that’s worth price of admission there. Um, the other main important scene is E from Oh, yeah, this important scene that David stepped out to pee. I turned to Kevin. Kevin has a notoriously small bladder moving like he is really like peeing all the time. I turn on said, I finally found someone that has a smaller bladder than you. That’s not fair, even remotely. I had a beer before I got there. 22 ounces, huh? And then I had 44 ounces before I before I went pee in the theater, huh? That’s 66 ounces. I mean, it’s not that you weren’t drinking anything. It’s not that I have a small bladder. It’s that I drink and you don’t. Yeah, but I feel like if you pee right before a movie, you could still hold it for two hours. 66 ounces. Yeah, but it’s not old leaking down there, though. I’ll tell you what, let’s have a contest. You and may well, go toe to toe water for water. All right. And, uh, we’ll see who lasts. All right. Anyways, David, step out at least three times from the theater. No, I stepped out to time. All right, Well, you think you know, actually, I didn’t I didn’t. I only stepped out the one time the first time I got up, walked over to the side and stood there and watched the movie. And then I was like, I can’t leave. And I sat back down. I never I never left the movie theater more than the one time when the only way from admitted well, he missed the most important thing in terms of the drama. So Hee from admits to murder. Um, back when he was a logger, he murdered a a coworker that annoyed him. And well, basically, the coworker felony did nothing to save him. And then he took on his name. So his name isn’t actually from wins. Oh, but is also Thomas Thomas, something I can’t remember and Ah, and that’s followed by one of the best lines that’s repeated over and over again. Why did you spill your beans? Why did you spill your beings? Why’d you tell me? And, ah, another great scene is is after Wake is well, actually, as weight has murdered, he’s being buried. So they fight and awake is basically like tattered. And, ah, he’s let out like a dog. See, this is weird where it’s like is this really happening? I was so surreal and weird. And so Defoe’s characters put in this pit and Pattinson is burying them and he’s like, Wake is talking to him and like having a monologue as he’s getting buried. It’s really striking and really cool scene. Um, that one will stick with me. Um, one of the most. This is like the scariest part of the film. For me, just from the visuals was really kind of frightening was when Winslow actually makes it up into the lighthouse and he looks into the light. I don’t know if you thought this was a school as I did, but I did It got super super overexposed. He was screaming, and it just looked like I mean it was could make really good creepypasta just the image of kind of burnt out black and the super like sound did it for me was it was it was like this again, like the sound was overexposed. And yes, it was like shrieking, super, super distorted. And it was what we call it’s not just over exposed. It’s like trying to think of what that setting would be. The contrast like Super super contrast. Yeah, it is what it is in black and white. So it looks really crazy. Yeah. And then Winslow um jumps out or falls out of the lighthouse, I guess onto the rocks. And the final like image of the film is Winslow on the rocks with his guts being eaten out by Bye Siegel’s Yeah, which is very, um, much a callback to the myth of Prometheus. So Prometheus is Ah, great God that gave fire to man gave fired a man against the gods wishes And then his punishment was He was lashed to a rock and his his innards were eaten by an eagle every day. Yes, that’s right. And he is immortal. He was supposed to push the rock up a hill every day. Know that, Cece Cece afis Now he was. He’s just chained to the side of a mountain, basically in a eagle, came and hate his guts neat every day, but he’d never die. So it’s not a good ending. Um, so, yeah, that’s the oh, there’s the other thing that Kevin said that I wanted to read thematically said another thing because we talked about generational stuff on the car ride home, you hike millennials versus boomers and all that stuff, he said, comes that. Actually, another thing I was gonna mention, but we moved away from it in the conversation. Forgot was when we got to the whole generation thing. The movie, the lighthouse, I thought kind of played on that theme with Wake and The Older Keeper with Wake is the older keeper of the Light and Winslow, the younger one, wanting to wrestle control away from Wake, that’s a good point and get the light for himself and all the stuff with Winslow finding Wakes log with all the criticisms reminding them of the generational lampooning that goes on. Yeah, and then there’s the obviously ah, lot of sea God mythology and stuff um it would be interesting. Something interesting to read into about what the characters were meant to represent. Ah, but yeah, the stuff around the Guardian and the younger seeker. So, uh, just the whole idea of the power interplay between the older and younger and and, Ah, yeah, that was kind of Ah, there might be some meta commentary in in this movie around Yeah, generations and how they view themselves. Yeah, you guys should Ah, if you’re not a patriot, remember, You guys should subscribe for the after pot, which is another podcast that we run for the Patriot members. And today I will be talking about a little bit about generation. Next in the author, Bret Easton Ellis in his book Less Than Zero and ah, kind of Generation X, The forgotten Jen. So So do that. Because it’s gonna be interesting, because it’s a It’s a fucking disturbing book. A super disturbing book. So if you guys want access to a whole nother podcast that we d’oh, check out our patri on me, I think it’s the $5 tear. Get you access to that check. So this this is a really great movie. Um, again not like on my top 10 or anything but super interesting of something that I’m going to think about for a long time. Um, who would you recommend to see this movie, or would you recommend people see this? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I would, um, Look, if you appreciate, if you appreciate the craft, um or a Well, like a clearly well honed craft towards filmmaking, this is This is just You just can’t Can’t do much better than this. It would be criminal if this did not hit the award circuit given, given the award circuits love of this kind of stuff. Um, I would be very surprised if it didn’t You win a lot of awards, but but yeah, it’s gonna be a long year after years. Yeah. I mean, I also popular show I’m pretty pretty over the academy working, but all awards air kind of silly. And this will be a weird thing that both of them are lead actors. So I wonder it’ll be weird if one of them gets, um, supporting actor and one of them gets lead actor. Yeah, because they’re both like it’s so even. Yeah, um but I guess you could say Dafoe’s character is deck technically supporting actor. Yes. Um, and Befo already had got his. He got best best actor last year. Yeah, so I mean, there they deserve awards, if you care about that. Yeah, I’d also say this isn’t a movie for everyone, but it’s if you go see a you will definitely have not have seen anything like it before. Um, just as the finished product of the the visual style, the sound, the thematic material and the script writing and the acting is just just a really unique product. Yeah, and and all the commentary behind it. It’s all very interesting. It’s It reminds me of the house that Jack Belt or Suspiria in in terms of just in terms of care and craft An intent. All right, let’s move on to tag lines. Years, tagline taglines a game where we come up with alternate taglines for the movie we reviewed, um, that we think might fit better or what Not? How many do you have? I’ve got three or four. I’ve only got two. Okay, so you go first. I could probably do without one of them. Um, doing okay. I’m pretty happy with both of mine. Okay, So the lighthouse? Yeah, it’s pretty. That’s pretty. I was really wet. Yeah, well, that was the wet fart. Here’s the long one. Okay. The lighthouse. Oh, wait. The lighthouse. Ah, come on. I mean, this just must be a guy blowing arm. That doesn’t sound like for us that 1st 1 though. It’s pretty great. It was pretty wet. I definitely should have pants. 100%. The lighthouse. Oh, just kiss. Already there was one point where they almost did, too. Yeah, and then they were like, Hey, whoa, hey! Fucking got you trying to fuck it and fuck me, guy and maybe the lighthouse. 50. Fuck the lighthouse. 50 shades of beard. That was good. That’s good. The lighthouse. We’re all just one Siegel away from a very bad day. I have been moments where I’ve been, like, kill that fucking bird. Of course they’re my birds. So the lighthouse lighthouse More like fight house Shut the fuck This’ll was the best taglines ever, I think. Ok, one last one. And it doesn’t quite fit, but I still liked it. Light has more like fight the lighthouse, sir. I’m afraid you’ve gone mad with power. Of course I have. You ever tried going mad without power? It’s boring. No one listens to you. What’s that from? That’s from The Simpsons movie. Oh, okay. Um boo boo. You didn’t like the Simpsons movie? Oh, I thought it was pretty good. Ah, Spider pig got in mind. What? I’ve lost so much respect so much. You’re one of those guys. 01 of those guys were taste. Yeah, I am one of those guys. So let’s move on to our pumpkin carving contest. Yeah. So, uh, what’s the, uh So let’s make a sign for the BAP dap bap bap bap bap, bap bip Bip Bip pumpkin carving contest But But come on, get in on this bump on Papa Papa von Pumpkin Carving contest announcing the winners of a pumpkin car bank on. Ah, that’s the extent to which I’m marrying Thio. I You gotta commit David. All right, so if you didn’t know and some of you might not know we had a pumpkin carving contest and we’re giving away to the winner a set of hocus pocus funk Oh, pop dolls. Yeah. All three of the ladies from hocus pocus re re created for your viewing pleasure as fun co pop dolls, little bobblehead dolls. And then that’s the first prize. Second prize is we’re gifting the the track or the music of focus Hocus pocus by focus, focus pocus by focus, which, if you’ve never heard it. I mean, just go to YouTube right now and look that up. That’s delightful. Um, third prize, You get nothing. You don’t get any. So we’ve got, um we’ve been talking about it for about a month now. Probably not quite. Not quite a month, A couple, couple weeks, weeks tweeted about it. We’ve gotten a tweet. That was retweeted a lot. Yeah. How did you do that? That’s pretty good. I don’t know. I just just caught on fire. Just caught on fire. We’ve had actually more popular tweets than that one. Like a sense of how she can really take off pretty easily on Twitter. Yeah, it was our first experiment with a contest, and I don’t know what we’re doing wrong or like what the what the, uh I think that’s practices or more. Probably more time. Really? Yeah, I think we should We should have had at least one or two more weeks on there considering, you know, we we We’ve really only been talking about it for two or three weeks. Yeah, 10 10 entries is pretty good. Yeah. So we got nine entries and interest, and we can We can look at them all now and kind of comment it. We can tell you what they what they are. And then we’ll decide on air and of the wars. And, of course, if you want to check out the entries, they will be available on our Facebook and Twitter. And also, I’ll put all the pictures on the post for this episode as well. Can we put him on Instagram too? Maybe, uh, maybe cool, because our instagram it’s pretty dead. So what’s open? Take a look at some of these pumpkins, Punkin. Okay, well, so let’s leave big. And for the for the end. My body begging. Um, Okay, I got an entry from Steven R. Okay, let’s take a look at Stevens punk in here on this one. This one’s pretty good. This is as far as a straight ahead Jack o lantern. Pretty menacing grin, spiky teeth. Spooky eyes. Yeah, that was the eyes. Do a thing on this one where it’s like, kind of double its. I can’t tell if it’s the way that it’s not the way the pictures taken. It’s intentional that it’s like, super transposed thing. See how there’s like, two eye flutters at the tips of the Yeah, yeah, I mean, that’s carved. And then he’s got, like, kind of eyebrows carved into it and send it out. It’s pretty cool. Look, that is a really good entry. As far as like, a straight ahead Jacqueline. And I think that’s like a front runner. Yeah, for the Jack o lantern types, we’ve got Xavier de, which is a pretty awesome name. Or Xavier. If your friends Sure, um or X e x x avere We veer from the south, we have sufficiently destroyed your name. This one’s another Jack o’lantern Also very spooky. Yeah, I’d say on par with Stevens on forest, even like it’s ah. But he chose to light it with an l e d light. Did you just fart? What was that fart sound that you made? It was probably just from my throat. Yeah, I like. I like Xavier’s. It’s ah, it’s a meat and potatoes Jack o lantern like a pretty pretty strong on the needle teeth And another one from Magnus. We’ve talked about magnets before. He’s a good boy. Delight. See, Now, Magnus kind of went above and beyond here with the background. Yeah. Chose to say true amazing artist among the autumn leaves. So he’s got another jack o lantern. It’s kind of got a stitched mouth. Crazy kind of the nightmare before Christmas. Yeah. Eyes on it. Yeah, it kind of It’s kind of Jack, Jack O lantern or whatever is young is from this is this is really good. Um, I’m gonna the way all the way from sweetie. I’m gonna be honest. I’m kind of glad that Magnus isn’t the best one, because I didn’t really want to mail it to Sweet who? That would have been a spicy meatball. You know what I would have done as I would have just transferred funds for him to buy his own funk? Oh, pop. Like that way can’t. Magnus is great. He’s a super fan. He just threw a Halloween party and printed out a bunch of horror movie time. Yes, I’m I’m glad you brought this up. If you guys want to see pictures of Magnus is, um of Magnus is ah, Halloween party that he threw all the way over across the pond in Sweden. He threw a Halloween party at a like a bar or a club. That’s like it looks like it’s it looks like it’s underground, like in, like, you know, Europe. And, uh, it was attended by, like, 80 some odd people. Yeah, and it was a badass like themed zombie outbreak party. It was really cool. It was bad. So that’s so Pictures for that are on our last post, so that would be zombie land. Fittingly, Zombieland double taps. So check out his his party in zombie land. Double tap. Yeah, he’s a He’s a cool dude way, haven’t we? Haven’t checked. If we had a spike in Swedish listeners, we have It’s not. It’s not tremendous, but I mean I mean, I’m sure it’s Magnus driven. Yeah, thank you so much to listeners that recommend the podcast to friends, especially like this is a great time to do it. If you’re if you’re a little like shy about your fanaticism about horror movies, you don’t want to be that guy. Um, you know, people are watching horror movies around now, this is gonna be released on the 30th. So, I mean, you could share. Yeah. There’s a contact. Your friend? Yeah. There’s contact. Oh, now we’re getting into one of the one of the Oh, we’re not. Okay. Well, let’s skip over. Let’s go into the We’ll save the top three. And bottom one. Let’s check out Caitlin A’s. Caitlin, eh? Um, Caitlin and Garrett send in their jackal lanterns again. This is like a very straight ahead jackal entrance. Both of these. Yes, but they both have a little bit of attention to detail in the three d space. Like they Yeah, they think about the curvature of the pumpkin and kind of factor that into the whole thing, Which I appreciate. And I like Caitlin’s has, like, the mini pumpkin inside the maw of her Jack Atlanta tonight. I couldn’t I couldn’t see that. Hey, that’s pretty good. I like whenever they involved. Like, um extra, like little pumpkins, their stuff coming out of the mouth. So they’re a married couple. Is that other one next to her’s? Is that Garretts? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, um oh, it’s not a pumpkin. It’s a Lauren. It’s a little orange with a sad face. Okay, so and then Garrett’s is similar. Similar standard. Um, what do you call it, Jack o lantern style. Um, you know, it’s menacing. It’s I think I like Caitlin’s more. Sorry if I’m assuming that the one with the orange is Caitlin’s. Okay, so now we’re getting into our top three thes air. The actual contenders like No offense the ones that we’ve talked about there they are great. No, none of them are embarrassing. I can’t wait until we talk about Big and sunk in just F y. I, like David has assured me that Begins is his game to be, like, made light of or like, you’ll never find a more amicable kind, like just jovial person than Brad, which I’m very glad because we’re just going to rip your apartment come from that bread. Uh, but let’s get into the top of the top three. Okay? Tina D. Submitted a great pumpkin, so it’s got the word creepy on it, and it’s dripping. It’s very like our, um, our logo. Almost. Actually, no. I think I know the font that she’s using. I think That’s a Google fund. This I might be wrong. This this. Okay, so Tina’s is such an expert skill level on carving. I can’t the Yeah, this is not like, um, there’s some some pumpkin carvings that air like they do kind of the shading effect by carving progressively deeper into it. This is a straight ahead all the way through the pumpkin, but it’s super skilled in that because it’s the lining is like she’s got that slightest little slivers of lines between the the the letters. Creepy. I cannot believe how how finally, detailed this thing is caught for straight carving. And then it’s got an eye above the word creepy with a little that that plays with, like, the negative space. The pupil is like a little bad guy, and he’s got a little hand. That’s part of the the eyelash. Yeah, it’s really good. I mean, the the font on is amazing. The drip effect is really cool. I mean, this is this is ah, definitely a front runner. Um, then we have Jared. Jared, um, it’s got Ah, let’s say Jared be okay. Um okay, this one I mean, this is to me, It’s it’s on another level, this is pretty impressive. So he’s got this. It’s almost unfair. E I mean, he’s got, like, the heck are those hexagons? I’m not beyond 123456 six sided. Ah, the thing is, what would that be? I don’t know. It’s not a Those are what bees make, right? Sure, honey, come, Ho would be a so hexes five. Okay, so cept her nose except a seven. We’re really again. We talk about formal, right, well researched on this on this pocket. Anyways, it’s got this geometric pattern and then the center it’s like and this is one of those pumpkins that that uses the depth of the pumpkin toe Let the light shine through. He never There’s a few spots where it’s just accented and actually carved all the way through. But most of most of this pumpkin is just is just surfaced carving yet in the center is an eye scooper detailed the I like very, very much like the black Christmas. I yeah, the crazy I you see through people and I want to point out this is fucking ridiculous. He carved it so this looks like it’s shaded like he took out that particular shape, and it’s hovering over it. Yeah. Can you appreciate how ridiculously riel that looks like? I mean, we went to extensive like we’ve we Okay. So, to to kind of help you guys understand how impressive this thing. First of all, you got to go check it out on on the post or on our on our social media, But we were pretty sure like that. This was that. This was stolen from something. Yeah, this feels like it is not if there is a contender for, you know, highly suspicious entry. It would be. This one did a reverse image. Church didn’t didn’t come up a lot of research. Did did research around the other info on it, the email that submitted it. And the only thing I can find is the reddit user that submitted this tow our art pretty much the same day that he submitted. It s so so. First of all, beautiful pumpkin. Second of all, I mean, it’s ah, just the whole concept is a concept to execution. Pull. Think. Very impressive, Jenna. What is our What’s our last entry? Um, besides brats. So Jessica got in right under the wire. Um, another patron that we love. Early Patron. This is one of the first. Yeah, she’s a starter of the 66 60 year. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, she submitted another great entry. This is another like three D one where it’s it’s really like a sculpture. It’s a scar. Fisher. Yeah. This is I am so envious of artistic people and like being able to being able to see something and within something normal, something cool within something normal and then, like, flesh it out like this is it’s like a It’s like she turned a pumpkin into a goblin face. Yeah, and it’s kind of nose and and crazy, crazy, like facial features like wrinkles. And yeah, it’s pupils and shit. Yeah, it’s great. And got got three D teeth and stuff. I mean, it’s really impressed, So I mean, the front runners are these last three. We got Jessica. We got Jared and Tina like it’s I mean, this city close, Bryce. I’m gonna I’m gonna say I think we’re both thinking. Um okay, here’s what I’m gonna say. Can we do a split on second place? Because Yeah, because I can’t. They’re both They’re both impressive and they both deserve hocus pocus by folks. This is what I’m saying. I mean, this is what I’m saying. Let’s let’s be honest. I can’t. They’re they’re impressive in their own right. For Or maybe we can when you can split hocus pocus by focus between them so half And after half of the year half of the year, Jessica can have focus, focus, focus On the other half of the year team they can have hocus pocus by foot will be silly brakes on taxi radio contact the the recording licensure. And we’ll just work out the logistics of splitting. That’s about that silly. What you do is instead, you just take the song, put it into an audio, enter and cut it in half. One gets the front first part and the other gets the second half. Okay, Okay. That makes sense. Right? Right. Right. So I must say, a two way tie between, um, between Jessica and Tina. Tina and that ends First place goes to Jared. Jared be just ridiculously good, Like Wow, Jerry. I mean, I’m still gonna have to email this guy and be like, Can we get some You legit. Can we get some applause for all of our entries? Except for Brad’s? Let’s get a round of applause from our studio audience. Thank you, Studio. You know, you guys were really usually very, very kind and well behaved respectful that, you know, you know, this is a controlled recording. Time to let it. This is it. Let us hear your appreciation for Jared. Thank you. That’s that’s that’s good. And indeed for all of our injured. Thank you. Everyone who participated in this, we sure do appreciate it, man. You give a mouse a cookie. Okay. All right. Please way. Keep it down. Way got the rest of the way. Mute the house mikes, please. We’ll make the house, Mike. All right, so congratulations, Jared. And Tina and Jessica will hear him in the back right now. They’re just They’re animals. We’ve improved. Well, that’s what you get when you have a rabid fan base. Um, now, let’s talk about Brad’s. I spent, like, five minutes trying to figure out what the fuck this was because I gave up, elected the description. Okay, Like so there’s two pumpkins in this picture and points out he’s like guys, mine is the shitty doesn’t say shitty. Mine is the one on the left. I was like, What is that? A pig? Cyclops? So it’s like, All right, so it’s got It’s like a circle and that has got, like, Globular, my son is normal and then it has It looks like a snout. It looks like a pig snout and some like Is that like a angry birds pig? Or like a very particular type of angered birds? Pig? Because it’s got the circle on the top that looks kind of like an eye, but it’s Thea negative space, but it’s hanging down the thing. It’s clear that he had high aspirations and 060 scale to execute a and then the side. There’s like the circles, too, but they could be arms. Yeah, I don’t know. It was It’s unclear. It looks almost like a like a Tetris game or something like that. Yeah, like are like are worded Tetris game. So here’s Here’s what he said in the comments, and we’ll have to do a side by side. We’ll have to pull a picture of this just so you can see it. You know, one against this the other. He said, Ah, mine is on the left and then in parentheses. Mario Mario Mushroom. Okay. And Kates, My wife is on the right. So he’s got now. Kate, yours is fine. I it is. It is a just a normal pumpkin entry, but Brad’s is uniquely retarded. Hand. God help you, big guy. I love you to death. But this man, you should give up on pump even if even if you have kids, they should hurt or, you know, Just don’t be so ambitious. Like, just start practicing. You don’t just do some triangle eyes and, like, just a smile. We’re gonna You know, my dad grows a tremendous amount of pumpkins everywhere, like just just off the charts. So, Brad, you’re perfectly welcome to come up here to Clark County, grab some Ah, grab some pumpkins and just practice away because you need it, buddy. So Brad was the very first entry in the pumpkin carving contest, and he was the only entry for, like, a week. And then we were sitting there like, Oh, God, if it’s only Brad Hawk and it’s just this is just gonna be a massacre. Brad wins the hocus pocus by focus with Erna and and the hocus focus girls. So anyways, thank you so much for for sharing and entering into the pumpkin carving contest. IOU beers buddy for for breaking over the girl beyond black Grand pumpkin car over and over. Uh, he’s a good guy. We’ve been assured that he’s he’s a good guy. He is. Yeah. Yeah, And if he’s not God help you because he’s the biggest motherfucker you’ve ever seen in your life. Yeah, he could probably kick my ass, but, um, it can’t cover pumpkin out out of, ah, wet paper bag. Maybe that was the problem. He’s like Andre, the giant level huge. You just startinto carve and then punched a hole throat with us. Yeah, you know, it’s like he’s holding it between his his ah, his index finger nous thumb. And he’s got this teeny, tiny little life that’s basically like playing with a doll set. And he’s just trying his hardest to be intricate. But he can’t because he’s so big and his face is so far away from his hands. It’s like I can’t see. Sorry, bread. Thanks for rendering. Thanks, everyone. And congratulations. Jessica, Tina and our first place winner, Jeer and Jared. You’ll be getting your brother. Oh, man, we really capitals in the me. Oh, yeah, we really appreciate everybody’s entry. So with that, with that, so we have That’s the end of our episode. Please. Again, check out our website at horror movie talk dot com. 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]]> This week we are reviewing Robert Eggers' The Lighthouse. It's a descent into madness that doesn't hold your hand. The performances of Willem Defoe and Robert Pattinson are worth the price of admission, but everything related to the production design,... This week we are reviewing Robert Eggers' The Lighthouse. It's a descent into madness that doesn't hold your hand. The performances of Willem Defoe and Robert Pattinson are worth the price of admission, but everything related to the production design, sound, and script are all of the highest caliber.







* Skip to Intro - 0:29* Skip to Trailer - 6:17* Skip to Synopsis - 8:20* Skip to Review - 10:06* Skip to Score - 14:41* Skip to Spoilers - 20:51* Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:12:44* Skip to Taglines - 1:14:44 * Skip to Announcing Pumpkin Carving Contest Winners - 1:18:05* Skip to Outro and Special Thanks - 1:39:31



Big thanks to Dustin Goebel (@dgoebel00 on instagram) for the original artwork



In his sophomore film, Robert Eggers follows up The Witch with a romcom set in Nova Scotia. Willem Defoe plays an experienced sailor, and Robert Pattinson plays his young and supple protege. In this will they won’t they romantic drama, they fight happiness every step of the way, until it finally wears them down. 



Poster for The Lighthouse



Here is the trailer.




https://youtu.be/Hyag7lR8CPA
The Lighthouse Trailer



Synopsis for The Lighthouse (2019)



Actually, The Lighthouse is about two lighthouse keepers, or wickies, that are stationed in a remote lighthouse in New England. Willem Defoe plays Thomas Wake, an elderly salty seaman, and Robert Pattinson plays Ephraim Winslow a young man trying out a new career. As Wake domineers over Winslow, forcing him to do all the hard labor up-keeping the tattered lighthouse, he spends the coveted watch basking naked in the glow of the lamp. Winslow wants some of that sweet naked basking action, and he slowly descend into madness.



Review of The Lighthouse



If you are going into this film expecting another The Witch, you are going to be disappointed. This is a much more surreal and confusing film.  However, what this movie does share with Eggers’ first film is a meticulously historically accurate film with a unique and striking visual style. While I might not have liked this film as much as I thought I would, I can’t help but have respect for Eggers’ ambitious artistic vision. Pattinson and Defoe are perfect casting for this film, and they both give amazing performances. There are some really great scenes and monologues in this film. General audiences will probably be turned off by a lot of the choices that were made in terms of narrative and visual style, but film students will be creaming over this movie for years to come.



Is The Lighthouse a Horror Movie?



Is this a horror movie? Kind of. It has enough horror elements to qualify it way more than a movie like Happy Death Day 2U. Most of the focus is on the tension between the two main characters, and the mental instability caused by seclusion and alcoholism. That being said, there are Lovecraftian and folkloric horror elements.



Visual Style



The most striking aspect of the visuals of the film is it's aspect. RATIO, that is. It is shot in 1.19:1 aspect ratio, which is basically square. It evokes a kind of claustrophobia and intimacy that is rare in a theatrical experience.







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Zombieland: Double Tap Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/10/23/zombieland-double-tap-review/ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 07:01:20 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3238 We went and saw Zombieland: Double Tap, and I was treated to a fabulous time! This franchise understands it’s audience and really ends up feeling like an excuse for famous actors to get together and have a blast making a movie - which, as it turns out, means a good time for everyone. Skip to Intro - 0:52Skip to Trailer - 5:35Skip to Synopsis - 8:00Skip to Review - 13:00Skip to Score - 18:00Skip to Spoilers - 29:35Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:33:27Skip to Taglines - 1:35:37 Big thanks to Dustin Goebel (@dgoebel00 on instagram) for the original artwork Zombieland: Double Tap is in theaters right now. https://youtu.be/ZlW9yhUKlkQ Zombieland: Double Tap Synopsis Zombieland: Double Tap isn’t a very deep movie that requires much in the way of explanation or critical analysis. It’s a fun time. Our lovable characters from the first movie are all back, living their lives in Zombieland and kicking ass. The controversy in this story starts with Columbus (Jesse Eisenberg) proposing to Wichita (Emma Stone), which creates a rift in their relationship due to Wichita’s inability to be close. She and Little rock leave the family with only a note to explain their departure. Tallahassee (Woody Harrelson) and Columbus are floored. While on the run with Wichita, Little Rock (Abigail Breslen), the youngest of this adoptive family, decides that post-pubescence is pointless without a cute boy to bang, so she leaves the safety of her family and ventures into Zombieland with a cute boy from Berkley, called...Berkley. The gang decides that they have to go after her, and this is the basis for most of the movie. There are some great cameos and new characters who add quite a bit in the way of entertainment, like the stunning and hilarious Madison (Zoey Deutch) and the strangely Woody Harrelson-esque Albuquerque (Luke Wilson). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-qfyzWBYH4 I love you Zoey. Zombieland: Double Tap Review Zombieland: Double Tap is easy to watch and is great at what it tries to be - fun, funny, over-the-top action, with a little bit of sex thrown in. It’s got great writing, the dialog in-particular is spot on, and the jokes are top tier. If you like guns, the use of guns, explosions, laughing, sex, and witty banter, you will have a blast, especially in the theater. The world that they build is also convincingly zombie-like, so there is that.  I had a fun time with all the theoretical stuff that you dream about if you constantly dream about a zombie hellscape. Want to live in the White House? Cool! Want to propose with the Hope Diamond? Alright! Want to shoot first and ask questions later? Neat! Double Tap may not be the most artistic or scary movie this year; in fact, it’s barely got any scares at all. But it is tons of fun. Weirdly, this is the second zombie movie in 2019 that Bill Murray has been in, the other being The Dead Don't Die. Score 8/10                                                                                                                                                       Zombieland Double Tap Spoilers Click to Expand Spoilers This movie does not try to be anything it’s not. It wouldn’t be fair to say that it’s not a smart movie, because the dialog and the banter all are at least clever, and at best they are quite funny. It doesn’t have much in the way of a noteworthy story, though, which didn’t really bother me. A heavy story would have been in the way of the things that make this movie work. Nasty T-800 zombie With that being said, there isn’t much to spoil about this movie, and to do a rundown of the plot would end up looking like me trying to explain the plot to a monster truck show, or a wrestling match. Instead, here is a list of fun things that work and don’t work within Zombieland: Double Tap. Fun Stuff That Works Zombieland Rules The rules that Columbus comes up with make sense and always We went and saw Zombieland: Double Tap, and I was treated to a fabulous time! This franchise understands it’s audience and really ends up feeling like an excuse for famous actors to get together and have a blast making a movie – which, as it turns out, means a good time for everyone.

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Big thanks to Dustin Goebel (@dgoebel00 on instagram) for the original artwork

Zombieland: Double Tap is in theaters right now.

https://youtu.be/ZlW9yhUKlkQ

Zombieland:
Double Tap Synopsis

Zombieland: Double Tap isn’t a very deep movie that requires much in the way of explanation or critical analysis. It’s a fun time. Our lovable characters from the first movie are all back, living their lives in Zombieland and kicking ass. The controversy in this story starts with Columbus (Jesse Eisenberg) proposing to Wichita (Emma Stone), which creates a rift in their relationship due to Wichita’s inability to be close. She and Little rock leave the family with only a note to explain their departure. Tallahassee (Woody Harrelson) and Columbus are floored.

While on the run with Wichita, Little Rock (Abigail Breslen),
the youngest of this adoptive family, decides that post-pubescence is pointless
without a cute boy to bang, so she leaves the safety of her family and ventures
into Zombieland with a cute boy from Berkley, called…Berkley. The gang
decides that they have to go after her, and this is the basis for most of the
movie.

There are some great cameos and new characters who add quite
a bit in the way of entertainment, like the stunning and hilarious Madison (Zoey Deutch) and
the strangely Woody Harrelson-esque Albuquerque (Luke Wilson).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-qfyzWBYH4
I love you Zoey.

Zombieland: Double Tap Review

Zombieland: Double Tap is easy to watch and is great at what it tries to be – fun, funny, over-the-top action, with a little bit of sex thrown in. It’s got great writing, the dialog in-particular is spot on, and the jokes are top tier. If you like guns, the use of guns, explosions, laughing, sex, and witty banter, you will have a blast, especially in the theater. The world that they build is also convincingly zombie-like, so there is that. 

I had a fun time with all the theoretical stuff that you
dream about if you constantly dream about a zombie hellscape. Want to live in
the White House? Cool! Want to propose with the Hope Diamond? Alright! Want to
shoot first and ask questions later? Neat!

Double Tap may not be the most artistic or scary movie this year; in fact, it’s barely got any scares at all. But it is tons of fun.

Weirdly, this is the second zombie movie in 2019 that Bill Murray has been in, the other being The Dead Don’t Die.

Score

8/10                                                                                                                                                      

Zombieland Double Tap Spoilers

Click to Expand Spoilers

This movie does not try to be anything it’s not. It wouldn’t
be fair to say that it’s not a smart movie, because the dialog and the banter
all are at least clever, and at best they are quite funny. It doesn’t have much
in the way of a noteworthy story, though, which didn’t really bother me. A
heavy story would have been in the way of the things that make this movie work.

T-800 Zombie from Zombieland Double Tap
Nasty T-800 zombie

With that being said, there isn’t much to spoil about this movie, and to do a rundown of the plot would end up looking like me trying to explain the plot to a monster truck show, or a wrestling match. Instead, here is a list of fun things that work and don’t work within Zombieland: Double Tap.

Fun Stuff That Works

Zombieland Rules

The rules that Columbus comes up with make sense and always
come with an example so that you can apply it to your zombie experience. These
function as running gags and are perhaps the reason why the first movie did so
well. The most comprehensive list of rules from the first movie that I can find
is:

  1. Cardio
  2. The Double Tap
  3. Beware of Bathrooms
  4. Wear Seat Belts
  5. No Attachments
  6. The “Skillet”
  7. Travel Light
  8. Get a Kick-Ass Partner
  9. With your Bare Hands
  10. Don’t Swing Low
  11. Use Your Foot
  12. Bounty Paper Towels
  13. Shake it Off
  14. Always carry a change of underwear
  15. Bowling Ball
  16. Opportunity Knocks
  17. Don’t be a hero (later crossed out to be a hero)
  18. Limber Up
  19. Break it Up
  20. It’s a marathon, not a sprint unless it’s a
    sprint, then sprint
  21. Avoid Strip Clubs
  22. When in doubt Know your way out
  23. Ziplock
  24. Use your thumbs
  25. Shoot First
  26. A little sunscreen never hurt anybody
  27. Incoming!
  28. Double-Knot your Shoes
  29. The Buddy System
  30. Pack your stain stick
  31. Check the back seat
  32. Enjoy the little things
  33. Swiss Army Knife

Rules that Double Tap added that I found in this movie are:

  • Enjoy the little things
  • Don’t be afraid to ask for help
  • Wet naps
Madison in Zombieland Double Tap
Oh Madison, you so pretty

The Jokes

Man, I belly laughed more than I care to admit during this
movie. Double Tap has that intoxicating effect of sweeping you up in the action,
excitement, and fun that lends itself to easy laughs.

Madison is more than just a breathtaking beauty, her comedic
timing along with the way she plays a vapid valley girl who has managed to
survive Zombieland for so long makes her one of the best parts of this movie
for me.

The Guns and the Action

Look, I’m not an action movie guy. I don’t own guns, but I
do have a blast shooting them, and I was raised a red-blooded American male.
The amount of badassery that takes place in this movie is off the charts. Cool slow-mo
montages, Metallica, Gatling guns, heads being ripped apart – it’s awesome.

Little Rock with a Gatling gun in Zombieland Double Tap

Stuff That Doesn’t Work

Bryce didn’t like the slow start of the movie. It worked quite well for me, and it reminded me of a book that was trying to catch you up on the previous installment.

There isn’t much in the way of a story here, and what is present is a shitshow as far as continuity or, you know, making logical sense. But zombies are roaming the earth, and beautiful actors are the only ones that lived so, it’s not like it needs to make tons of sense.

Final Recommendations for Zombieland: Double Tap

If you don’t care too much about being scared, or dislike being scared, this is for you. If you love action and jokes and guns, welcome home.

Luke Wilson and Woody Harrelson in Zombieland Double Tap
Albuquerque and Tallahassee

Fan Love From Sweden!

Magnus is a long-time fan of the show and he is from Sweden – the land that America can’t stop dreaming about. He wanted some Horror Movie Talk stickers, but we figured that the shipping would cost a lot so we sent him the graphic to print out his own stickers.

Well, he kind of did that and sent us some pics of our logo way across the pond! This is him and his siblings at their annual Halloween party. This year it was zombie themed. Thanks Magnus, we love you, buddy!

Magnus and friends in Sweden repping Horror Movie Talk
That’s Magnus in the hazmat suit!
Horror Movie Talk in Sweden
Horror Movie Talk sticker among zombie outbreak signs
Horror Movie Talk Sticker Secret Garden
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We went and saw Zombieland: Double Tap, and I was treated to a fabulous time! This franchise understands it’s audience and really ends up feeling like an excuse for famous actors to get together and have a blast making a movie - which, We went and saw Zombieland: Double Tap, and I was treated to a fabulous time! This franchise understands it’s audience and really ends up feeling like an excuse for famous actors to get together and have a blast making a movie - which, as it turns out, means a good time for everyone.







* Skip to Intro - 0:52* Skip to Trailer - 5:35* Skip to Synopsis - 8:00* Skip to Review - 13:00* Skip to Score - 18:00* Skip to Spoilers - 29:35* Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:33:27* Skip to Taglines - 1:35:37



Big thanks to Dustin Goebel (@dgoebel00 on instagram) for the original artwork



Zombieland: Double Tap is in theaters right now.




https://youtu.be/ZlW9yhUKlkQ




Zombieland:
Double Tap Synopsis



Zombieland: Double Tap isn’t a very deep movie that requires much in the way of explanation or critical analysis. It’s a fun time. Our lovable characters from the first movie are all back, living their lives in Zombieland and kicking ass. The controversy in this story starts with Columbus (Jesse Eisenberg) proposing to Wichita (Emma Stone), which creates a rift in their relationship due to Wichita’s inability to be close. She and Little rock leave the family with only a note to explain their departure. Tallahassee (Woody Harrelson) and Columbus are floored.







While on the run with Wichita, Little Rock (Abigail Breslen),
the youngest of this adoptive family, decides that post-pubescence is pointless
without a cute boy to bang, so she leaves the safety of her family and ventures
into Zombieland with a cute boy from Berkley, called...Berkley. The gang
decides that they have to go after her, and this is the basis for most of the
movie.



There are some great cameos and new characters who add quite
a bit in the way of entertainment, like the stunning and hilarious Madison (Zoey Deutch) and
the strangely Woody Harrelson-esque Albuquerque (Luke Wilson).




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-qfyzWBYH4
I love you Zoey.



Zombieland: Double Tap Review



Zombieland: Double Tap is easy to watch and is great at what it tries to be - fun, funny, over-the-top action, with a little bit of sex thrown in. It’s got great writing, the dialog in-particular is spot on, and the jokes are top tier. If you like guns, the use of guns, explosions, laughing, sex, and witty banter, you will have a blast, especially in the theater. The world that they build is also convincingly zombie-like, so there is that. 



I had a fun time with all the theoretical stuff that you
dream about if you constantly dream about a zombie hellscape. Want to live in
the White House? Cool! Want to propose with the Hope Diamond? Alright! Want to
shoot first and ask questions later? Neat!



Double Tap may not be the most artistic or scary movie this year; in fact, it’s barely got any scares at all. But it is tons of fun.



Weirdly, this is the second zombie movie in 2019 that Bill Murray has been in, the other being The Dead Don't Die.



Score



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The Witch Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/10/16/the-witch-review/ Wed, 16 Oct 2019 07:01:54 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3207 There is a reason why The Witch is considered to be the first movie in the "elevated horror" sub-genre. It raised the stakes for what a great horror movie could be. Think that's hyperbole? Well listen to our review of The VVITCH, and we'll state our case. Skip to Intro - 0:40Skip to Trailer - 4:09Skip to Synopsis - 6:30Skip to Review - 8:08Skip to Score - 15:50Skip to Spoilers - 28:50Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:33:27Skip to Taglines - 1:35:37Skip to Which is a Witch - 1:38:36 Skip to Special Thanks - 1:45:35 Skip to Outro - 1:46:35 Thanks @dgoebel00 (dustingoebel.com) for the awesome post art of Black Phillip The Witch can be found streaming on Netflix and available to rent https://youtu.be/iQXmlf3Sefg The VVitch Trailer Plot Synopsis for The VVitch This film is about a family that is trying to live off the land in seventeenth century New-England after being banished from a Puritan plantation due to ideological differences. The film never tells specifically what these religious differences are, but the father William (Ralph Ineson) is a devout man of god that, while prideful and stubborn, is trying to raise his family as zealous christians. William’s family is made up of his wife Katherine (Kate Dickie) and his five children Thomasin (Anya Taylor-Joy) the eldest teenage girl, Caleb (Harvey Scrimshaw) the next oldest boy that is on the cusp of puberty, the young twins Mercy and Jonas, and finally the baby Sam. While the harsh realities of homesteading in 1630 present their own danger, the family is also beset by a witch that lives in the nearby woods.  Poster for The Witch Thoughts on The Witch This film’s original title was The VVitch: A New-England Folktale, and it really is that. Great lengths are taken to make this period piece authentic. From the costume design to the dialogue which is sometimes directly taken from sources from the time. I went in with a certain set of expectations with this film. I thought that the major dramatic tension in a super realistic period film would come from the mystery or doubt surrounding false witchcraft accusations ala The Crucible. Well this is not the Crucible, while realistic, this is still very much a FOLKTALE, and as such, the Witches are VERY real, and the power of the devil is frighteningly apparent. It should be noted that this film is important in the genre as the first of the modern wave of horror films dubbed “elevated horror” that have come out of A24 films. The seriousness and craft that the director Robert Eggers is undeniable, and showed how successful serious, cerebral horror movies could be.  I really can’t say enough good things about this film. It creates a believable world filled with relatable characters, which brings a really unprecedented gravity to some fantastical supernatural elements. There is no doubt in this movie for the audience. They go FULL WITCH, very early on, and the audience gets to witness in horror, the dramatic irony of this poor family being ripped apart by the powers of Satan. Score 10/10 Spoilers for The Witch Expand for Spoilers The film opens with the father of the family, William, standing before a panel of Puritan judges being defiant. We're never told exactly what William is on trial for, but my guess is it's for being kind of a dick. The family is banished from the Puritan plantation and sets out to create a homestead on the edge of the forest. The dissonant music tells us that this is not going to bode well for them. Hail Paimon! Within the first 10 minutes of the film, the families baby is stolen literally right from under Thomasin. Not to waste any time, Eggers establishes that, yes, the witches in this movie are real, and yes, they are scary af. We are shown the witch murder the baby and literally grind it down to bits with a mortar and pestel to rub the remnants over her wrinkled bent body. This movie does not fuck around. There is a reason why The Witch is considered to be the first movie in the “elevated horror” sub-genre. It raised the stakes for what a great horror movie could be. Think that’s hyperbole? Well listen to our review of The VVITCH, and we’ll state our case.

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  • Skip to Trailer – 4:09
  • Skip to Synopsis – 6:30
  • Skip to Review – 8:08
  • Skip to Score – 15:50
  • Skip to Spoilers – 28:50
  • Skip to Final Recommendations – 1:33:27
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  • Skip to Which is a Witch – 1:38:36
  • Skip to Special Thanks – 1:45:35
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The Witch, Live Deliciously
Thanks @dgoebel00 (dustingoebel.com) for the awesome post art of Black Phillip

The Witch can be found streaming on Netflix and available to rent

https://youtu.be/iQXmlf3Sefg
The VVitch Trailer

Plot Synopsis for The VVitch

This film is about a family that is trying to live off the land in seventeenth century New-England after being banished from a Puritan plantation due to ideological differences. The film never tells specifically what these religious differences are, but the father William (Ralph Ineson) is a devout man of god that, while prideful and stubborn, is trying to raise his family as zealous christians. William’s family is made up of his wife Katherine (Kate Dickie) and his five children Thomasin (Anya Taylor-Joy) the eldest teenage girl, Caleb (Harvey Scrimshaw) the next oldest boy that is on the cusp of puberty, the young twins Mercy and Jonas, and finally the baby Sam. While the harsh realities of homesteading in 1630 present their own danger, the family is also beset by a witch that lives in the nearby woods. 

Poster for The Witch Review
Poster for The Witch

Thoughts on The Witch

This film’s original title was The VVitch: A New-England Folktale, and it really is that. Great lengths are taken to make this period piece authentic. From the costume design to the dialogue which is sometimes directly taken from sources from the time. I went in with a certain set of expectations with this film. I thought that the major dramatic tension in a super realistic period film would come from the mystery or doubt surrounding false witchcraft accusations ala The Crucible. Well this is not the Crucible, while realistic, this is still very much a FOLKTALE, and as such, the Witches are VERY real, and the power of the devil is frighteningly apparent.

It should be noted that this film is important in the genre as the first of the modern wave of horror films dubbed “elevated horror” that have come out of A24 films. The seriousness and craft that the director Robert Eggers is undeniable, and showed how successful serious, cerebral horror movies could be. 

I really can’t say enough good things about this film. It creates a believable world filled with relatable characters, which brings a really unprecedented gravity to some fantastical supernatural elements. There is no doubt in this movie for the audience. They go FULL WITCH, very early on, and the audience gets to witness in horror, the dramatic irony of this poor family being ripped apart by the powers of Satan.

Score

10/10

Spoilers for The Witch

Expand for Spoilers

The film opens with the father of the family, William, standing before a panel of Puritan judges being defiant. We’re never told exactly what William is on trial for, but my guess is it’s for being kind of a dick.

Puritan Judges in The VVitch

The family is banished from the Puritan plantation and sets out to create a homestead on the edge of the forest. The dissonant music tells us that this is not going to bode well for them.

The family in The Witch Sanctifies their land
Hail Paimon!

Within the first 10 minutes of the film, the families baby is stolen literally right from under Thomasin.

Not to waste any time, Eggers establishes that, yes, the witches in this movie are real, and yes, they are scary af. We are shown the witch murder the baby and literally grind it down to bits with a mortar and pestel to rub the remnants over her wrinkled bent body.

This movie does not fuck around.

While you might think that the entertainment of this movie might come from the over the top violence that that scene might convey, the real good stuff comes from great characters and subtle interpersonal drama.

This movie is brilliantly written. It really explores the fragility of human life, and their will resist their weaknesses.

As the family works hard to mitigate their disastrous corn harvest, it is made clear that the cards are stacked against them. In the wood is not only the witch, but her master the devil is also exceedingly close. We see hints that outside forces are conspiring against them. We are given hints that some of the animals we see are either the witches familiar, or are inhabited by dark forces. You can tell that they are evil because they have real shifty eyes.

https://youtu.be/T55ArHjeR1c

Everyone in the family is dealing with their own struggles and doesn’t really notice the obvious signs of satanic interference. Caleb is dealing with his burgeoning puberty. Katherine is dealing with the grief of losing her child. Thomasin is dealing with the guilt of losing Sam on her watch. William is trying to hold everything together. The twins… well the twins are mainly praying to a goat. We hear them sing this song to their black goat:

Black Phillip, Black Phillip, A crown grows out his head,
Black Phillip, Black Phillip, To nanny queen is wed.
Jump to the fence post, Running in the stall.
Black Phillip, Black Phillip, King of all.
Black Phillip, Black Phillip, King of sky and land,
Black Phillip, Black Phillip, King of sea and sand.
We are ye servants, We are ye men.
Black Phillip eats the lions From the lions’ den.

The Twins’ song

Black Phillip, king of all
Wut M8?

The events quickly turn south when Caleb goes missing in the woods. We see him captured by a seductive witch in the woods.

Seductive Witch takes Caleb

Now the family is exceedingly suspicious of Thomasin since both disappearances happened with her around. Things are only made worse, when Thomasin finds Caleb naked and bewitched.

In a family prayer circle, Caleb comes to, but rants about the witch tormenting him, then the sighs in religious ecstasy as he is accepted into the bosom of Christ and dies.

Caleb being excorsized

The whole time, the twins are accusing Thomasin of being a witch, and eventually William is convinced.

When he confronts Thomasin, she denies the charges, but also spits some hard truths back at William. Mainly that he is a terrible father and farmer, and he is only good at chopping wood. She also points out how close the children have gotten with Black Phillip and that they are actually much more likely witches.

William puts Thomasin and the twins into the shed and boards them in.

Then all hell breaks loose.

The witch appears in the shed and goes full cackle.

William is attacked by Black Phillip and in his last moment, succumbs to evil.

William accepts his fate

Katherine is tempted by the vision of her dead children.

Katherine in The Witch

Finally, Katherine attacks Thomasin, and Thomasin kills her mother in her defense.

Katherine strangling Thomasin

The film concludes with Thomasin making a pact with the devil and becoming a witch herself.

Thomasin signing the contract
Thomasin arriving at the black mass

Final Recommendations

It might seem pretentious to say that this is an important film, but it is. I think it’s important for everyone to see this film to be reminded of the possibilities in the horror genre.

Horror Movie Talk Episode 67: The Witch Review Transcript

Expand for the full transcript of the episode.

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Wipes for kids Hello and welcome to horror movie talk and opinionated and accidentally funny Horror Movie review Show your panel of expert hosts each week are Dr Bryce Hansen, who holds a phD in Spook ology, and Professor David Day, the foremost expert on scare No nose. New theatrical releases always get priority, but we also review older horror movies both good and horrible. I’m Bryce Hanson and I’m David Day. I’m the foremost expert in scare. No nose. Yes. I don’t know if you knew that, and I appreciate if you’d call me Dr Hansen from now on. Yes, Doctor. I mean handsome. I went to 12 years of college to get my doctorate in spook ology. Well, I mean, you got to respect the position. Respect the the position, not the person, I think, uh, to new listeners. Check out our website at horror movie talk dot com All one word you can put a www in front of that. You know how websites work there? You’ll find links to our social media and past episodes. We post new episodes every Wednesday. So please subscribe on your favorite podcast platform. And please, please, please, if you’re on IOS and use apple podcasts, leave us a rating. And we’re really trying to get up to 200 ratings. That’s our goal. You guys want us on rotten tomato? We wanna be on rotten tomato. So guess who’s gonna be on rotten tomato with or without your help, motherfucker? Say you better get on with your help. You with your note? I meant to say we’ve got a great show I am this so excited for today. This is like I’m I can feel the energy in the room today because this has been a long time coming. Yeah, we’ve talked about this movie quite a bit because it’s one of our favorite movies. It may be my very favorite movie. Yeah, it may be. It may be right behind there will be blood. Yeah, this is Ah, an important film in the horror genre and something that I think fans of ours will like us talking about. Today we’re gonna be talking about the Witch Hall. They will start out by giving a brief review and our score for the movie. We score on a scale of 1 to 10 1 being miserable dredge That makes you angry fiving in perfectly average film. It’s all the expected marks in 10 being so good it transcends genre boundaries. This is all stuff we say in every episode. So let’s get through so we can talk about the witch after we give our score, will get into spoilers and take a deeper dive into what we liked and hated about. The film later will be doing a couple of games we’re gonna be doing taglines perennial favorite as well as a new game, especially for the witch, which is a witch, which is a which which which is which, So we’ll get there. But first, let’s talk about the witch. Let’s indeed we both rewatched the witch. It’s ah, the Times. Have you watched this, I think, is probably my fourth or fifth time. Yeah, this is probably my third. I think it’s available for streaming on Netflix right now, right? And it is as great as I remember it the first time. It is just such a solid perfect. It’s It’s really a great movie, but what’s e I mean? Just wait for our scores, though, because you never know. You never know. I mean, I’m I’m feeling a pretty low score today. Here’s the trailer. What? When we out into this wilderness to find I believe in our country. Kindred our fathers houses For what? For the kingdom of God. Let’s just wait. Family. Wait. Can I leave my senator? We have a show. Okay. Again, Like David mentioned, this film is available for streaming on Netflix. If your Netflix subscriber, you can just watch it for I mean, I guess not technically free. But you can watch it there as well as any you know, rentable streaming platform that’ll be found there. This film is about a family that’s trying to live off the land in 17th century New England after being banished from a Puritan plantation due to ideological differences, the film never tell specifically what these religious differences are. But the father William, played by Ralph Innocent, is a devout man of God that, while prideful and stubborn, is trying to raise his family as zealous Christians. Williams family is made up of his wife, Katherine, played by Kate Dickie, and his five children. Thomason, the eldest teenage girl. Caleb, the next oldest boy who was on the cusp of puberty. And the young twins, Mercy and Jonas. And finally, the Baby Sam, while the while the harsh realities of homesteading in 16 30 present their own danger. What this film is really about is this family being beset by a witch that lives in the nearby woods. There’s well, it’s just general satanic forces. There’s a lot of undercurrents and themes within this movie that go, in my opinion, go much deeper than just the what you see at the surface level, so and, well, I’m going to get into that for sure. So, yeah, um, the film’s original title was the bitch. So ah, lot of times you’ll see this this film with the title of To Capitol these in front of it originally was called The Vite. The vich, a New England folk tale. And it really is that great lengths are taken to make this period piece authentic, from the costume design to the dialogue, which is sometimes taken directly from sources from the time I went in with a certain set of expectations with the film, I thought the major dramatic tension in a super realistic period film would come from the mystery or doubt surrounding false with Kraft accusations. Allah the Crucible. Well, this is not the Crucible know. While realistic, this is still very much a folk tale. And as such, the witches are very riel, and the power of the devil is frighteningly apparent. Yeah, that’s like the major. I mean, it’s it’s so weird seeing it. It’s so accurately portrayed. Yeah, I am. And the characters even more so than a normal period drama Almost and because it felt as dirty as it would be bad. And it’s not like, Yeah, I mean I mean, if you’re trying, if basically, if you’re trying to move out into the middle of the woods in Ontario and ah, which is where this was filmed isn’t in northern Ontario. I’ve been there and it looks just like this, Um and, ah, if you’re trying to do that and really make a make a shot at it, this is what it’s kind of look like. If you don’t have a truck, if you just got ah, horse and some seeds in your pocket Yeah, and so the it’s not. It looks realistic, but it is not based in reality. This is based in a the folk magic and the folk beliefs of the time, which is also just a really interesting thing, like taking like a folk tale like what if you took Paul Bunyan and made a realistic, gritty movie about him? Yeah, it’s no, it’s a turn that I think I wish we had more of these kind of examples of, you know, the the the cautionary tale that was told to keep people in line being riel right that you know. But also they really believe this stuff back then, yes, that’s very much had impact on their lives, as opposed to just being like a children’s story, right? So it should be noted. And several people have noted that this film is important in the genre as being the first in this modern wave of horror films dubbed Elevated Horror. Um, which most of them coming out of the 8 24 film studio. The seriousness and craft that director Robert Eggers brings to this film is undeniable. It showed how successful a serious and cerebral horror movie could be. Yeah, I went into this with high hopes because the trailer was very impressive and I was not disappointed at all. I remember coming out of this going Holy shit. I didn’t know that this kind of thing could happen, right? You know, I didn’t know that you that you could make this kind of like it just was a totally new thing to me, and I was so excited because I like it, gave me hope for more like this, and hereditary really followed it up nicely, right? And it’s it’s kind of a also out of a 24. Yeah, this this moniker of the elevated horror movies I know in the genre. There’s lots of people that take issue with that because it’s saying that the other horror movies aren’t as good. Yeah, but even look around the time I mean production value and the seriousness of the draw of the genre was kind of starting to get more traction even before 2015. So I mean, like, even the conjuring films were a little higher effort. Yeah, they were taking more seriously than a final destination movie, and it was starting to come out of that found footage. Um, period in horror films to where they’re like All right, we’ve we’ve, ah extracted a ton of value out of this idea of found footage where supposedly we’re spending a lot less money to make a lot more money. Yeah, because it feels realistic. And then they started going back more towards high production and higher like artistic. And you’re coming, Merritt, you’re coming out of a decade, you know, 2000 2010 where it was kind of it was kind of a desolate spot for horror movies. I mean, there are obvious, you know, standouts. This is where this is kind of where, you know, found footage was birthed and but a lot of people toe found footage in very high regard. It all, um I I think there’s definitely a time and place for it, but in terms of, ah, big blockbuster horror, there was not a lot going on for a long time. Yeah, this is this one of one of the kick starters? Yeah. I mean, the blockbuster horrors were the found footage movies, right? I mean, Blair witch and paranoia paranormal activities did really well, Yeah, they did really well, the other ones that were really popular, you know, maybe not right around this time, But pretty soon before, it was like more on the torture porn variety, Yes. Hostile and saw and stuff like that that was had it today in the sun. And so this is really kind of a turning point, and some point to it as the first, but, I mean, there’s other films around there. I mean, the Baba do came out before I could say that that was kind of it felt like in the realm of the elevated horror, Um, stuff. I felt like it felt like there. Now. There was being horror made for me, right? Is what this film felt like to me. Um, but I really can’t say enough good things about the which It creates a believable world filled with relatable characters, which brings a really unprecedented gravity to some of the fantastical supernatural elements. There is no doubt in this movie for the audience I want to make a point of that is going in. Like I thought that would be a big part of it. They go full, which they like, full cackle. If it is, we have kids. If you have kids, this is going to be, Ah, hard watch for your wife potential. If your wife is like my wife, they go full, which very early on. And the audience gets to witness in horror the dramatic irony of this poor family being ripped apart by the powers of Satan. Yeah, in a real real way, it’s really ah, disturbing and graphic. It goes hard in the paint, um, you know, But at the same time, it’s not. It’s not very, it’s It’s graphic in the in the graphic parts And then there’s just this. And then it’s mostly a kind of inter family drama. I mean, I can’t even say that there’s a lot of graphic parts. Honestly, it’s one of those films where you you first. So it first so much and you assume that there’s a lot that’s absolutely right. Just the ideas that it’s conveying are so shocking. Oh, well, the end the imagery is shocking to it is shocking. Yes. They don’t show that what? What we may be alluding to right now. And if you’ve seen the which you can probably know what we’re talking about, but they show enough for you to be like Oh, shit. Oh, shit. This is hyper alarming, right? And ah, so I give it a two out of 10. Sorry. Hot right now? Yeah. No, uh, what do you Would you really give it? I give it a 10 out of 10. This is as close to a perfect horror movie for me as as it can get. And I mean, I you can call me your pretentious douchebag. But if you think that this movie sucks, you can just get the fuck out of here, okay? Yeah, just like this is really our lane. Yeah, 100%. And ah, I I definitely 100% agree with you. I like I said, I’ve watched this four or five times. I may enjoy it more than I enjoy hereditary. This is such a good, such a well made, well thought out. Just impressive story from beginning to finish. Like just in terms of Eve. We’re looking at good stories. If all you’re looking for is a good story, this is a fabulous story. There’s no fat on the bone at all. Everything is intentional, everything’s important. Every scene is there for a reason. And it’s so good. It tickles my Dickel the whole way through. Yeah, I think I mean, some people I’ve heard some people say that it feels really slow, but it doesn’t. For me, it’s only an hour and 1\/2. It moves a pretty quick clip, and stuff happens like one after the other. It, if you’re there, is enough time to breathe, and and And there might be an element of hearing the accent and the language of the time. That might be a little off putting. People might not quite understand it would be like, Oh, this is boring because they’re talking boring Talk has listen to their voices. Not only is that but so much of it requires your you to make up to infer right. This is not a horror movie that shows its its hand. You know, this is not a Halloween movie where he’s he’s hacking people up. You know where he’s on the hunt. This is This is a movie that is a It is a slow burn drama, you know it is. It is a drama dramatic story about a family that’s being torn apart. Yeah, and tearing themselves apart like it’s Yeah, there’s lots of stuff that happens between interpersonal relationships. And I think, you know, I gave hereditary of 10 out of 10 also, but I think I might be inclined, agree with you that this kind of edges it out because it’ll that of the sole reason that it is so consistent in tone like there’s not a shift. Hereditary has a definite shift at the end, which I still love. Like it’s not. It’s a totally different thing, someone people complain about, how it like, you know, it’s kind of goes full retard at the end with the with you said the hour with the cult stuff. But this one, You know what’s happening the whole time. And, you know, basically where it’s gonna end up, it’s either gonna end up, they’re saved or it’s gonna very badly. Yeah, Another aspect of this is and this is not This is this is not Thio. This is not to be, um, belittling towards towards people or anything like that. This is just one of these things where if if if you don’t have kids, it may like for me like there are plenty of people who don’t have kids and who will fully realize and and feel all the full spectrum of emotions that I felt through this whole thing Plenty because I remember watching this kind of movie before I had kids still affected me greatly, but there is a There is a sub, a subsection of people who just can’t relate to this. This very primordial like Oh my God, my kid feeling and and if that’s you, nothing, nothing against you at all. But this movie will work better if you have a lot of empathy for little kids. Yeah, I think I’m pretty inclined to write a block post. I got an idea for a plot post about the parental divide in horror movies, because when I go on our horror, said it, This is what I’m talking like there. There is a definite divide and people that love hereditary and, um, like movies based around family relationships and stuff happening to kids. And it may work a lot better for women as well. And for people with a high amount of empathy or who can relate very easily like this is the kind of thing that you will get to them. Maur. Yeah, but there’s there’s a certain element about parenthood that unlocks a just a huge Pandora’s box of fears of fear. Inside, you know, you did not have access until not have access to until you become a parent should preface that we didn’t have it. I didn’t have this necessarily so much of this terror for kids as I do now. Yeah, I mean, maybe if you’re an older sibling and you’ve had responsibility with kids and you realize how fragile and sickle and ah, you know, vulnerable kids are maybe a little bit really like. It feels like there’s this divide where people that had that her parents rescue. They get really scared by, um, kind of more cerebral relationship stuff around kids, right? And people that haven’t had kids. It just doesn’t affect him. Like you see a kid, you’re like, Oh, that’s another character that died, right? You know? Oh, no, that’s the the monster Got that? A little child. I’m really interested to see what they say about this because you have an interesting take on it. And because it is, it is a bit of a you know, it’s it’s a little bit of ah, I did delicate area, don’t get place to tread. And then, like the the other stuff that I know, it feels like the the people that aren’t scared by the parental stuff skew more towards slashers or like home invasion stuff, where it’s like they they’re just wanna see someone murder or they they are more fearful about being attacked right themselves, and I never Yeah, it’s hard for me to relate. I don’t really care, and also I’m a little bit nihilistic, so I just welcome it. I hope on first let’s let’s end this charade of life. Just take me now anyways. Yeah. 10 out of 10. It’s a fantastic movie. I’m sorry if I offended you if I told you to fuck off, but honestly, uh, this is like undebatable to me. This is just a great film. Yeah, it’s it’s it’s a great film that it sze not even it’s a standout the hum of the genre. You compare this to any other movie and I for the most part, unless you’re unless you’re putting it up against there will be blood. That would also be a good alternate title for this movie, by the way, Yeah, there will be blood. Yeah, that’d be a great title. But, um or, you know, this is this is a just a solid film. So let’s get into our mid roll. I just want to take some time before we get into spoilers and take a deeper dive into some of the plot elements of the witch to plug ourselves. Because if you like the podcast and you’re not a first time listener, I don’t expect first time listeners to come and go and join our patriotic count. But we do have a patriotic count, and we’ve just released several new tears ranging from kind of itty bitty donations up to, you know, rather sizable sizable donation for us and each Each tear gets more and more perks as you go up and every little bit helps and counts. And we really appreciate it if if you just take the time to consider supporting us because you know, this is a labor of love for us. 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Hocus pocus has a few disturbing parts as well. You know what I mean? All you horror or porno fans? Yeah. Um, so you get in entries by the 25th of October said all you got to do is fill out your contact information and your address so we can send you the prize and upload an image of your pumpkin carving. Could be a jack o lantern and can be some super super elaborate, you know, movie poster carbon into a pumpkin. We’re really excited about how creative our fans are. And please share the entry retweet the tweets that we sent out about it or re share on Facebook. So you get all your friends that are doing pumpkin carvings to enter. Um I will say, Don’t cheat. We will do a reverse Google image search and whoever we pick and toe and picture that you’re not a dirty liar to enter into it. You just head to our website. There’s a There’s a Jack o’lantern from the Season of the Witch, the Halloween three movie that appears on almost all the pages Somewhere on the page. Yeah, it should be on all the pages on the home page is down at the bottom and pretty a pretty much every other page. It’s at the top of the sidebar. Um, it’s pretty unmissable if you scroll around. It’s a giant Jack o’lantern, and I’ll give you a link to the entry. You do have to have a Google account you have to sign into your Google account. To enter since is a Google form. But that’s not a big big You improvise the 25th of October and will announce the winner on the 30th of October podcast episode. So thanks again for listening. Oh, yeah, we haven’t mentioned the positive A cast Well, so the positive a cast went dark on Thursday or end and Friday I am gonna record a few new episodes, but I think the five day schedule is it is a little too much for this podcaster to keep up. So I need Thio. I need to rework exactly how the dreaded pod. Fayed. Well, yeah. I mean, the interestingly like my listens are up. Really? Yeah. It’s just like I’ve just got a lot on my plate right now, and I’m pretty busy, so I just let it slip for two days and you just ran out of things in the room to talk about. I went through every coin between John. Let’s see the torn up. No anytime. $2. Any talk about Darnell’s Inge? The crown molding didn’t crown molding. Okay, All right, dog will get down anyway. Thanks again for listening. Let’s get into spoilers. Oiler Foot section is This is the spoiler show. I like this first point you have What’s your first point? Oh, yes. So the first point It opens on the trial of William and his family. So it opens in this Puritan courtroom, you know, full on pilgrims like they’ve got hats with buckles on them. It’s not clear what William is on trial for, but he might be on trial for just being a dick. He’s kind of really. It seems almost like a trial that he called the way. The way it plays out, it seems like Williams like called them there, and he’s like, You guys are fucking up. Yeah, and they’re like, Well, what do you want from us? Would you like to be banished? And Lee? And he’s like, I fucking love it, Thank you very much. Let’s bring it like like it’s so confrontational On his part, it almost seems like he called the meeting and was like, You suck, you suck, You suck, you suck. I’m out. Yeah, I mean, it almost feels like it could be he’s too zealous or calling the church itself to repentance or write something that’s it doesn’t ever talk about specifically what it is. It feels prideful, but it feels prideful. It feels like, um and I think the only thing that really mentions later on is William talks about, like with disdain the church. So, like, I think organizationally like probably the inner hypocrisy, ease of the church or the leadership or something, whatever. It is like one of those common things that people leave churches for, like it’s but the lake, without a doubt William is a true believer is it’s not a trial for heresy, not a trial, for it’s doing something wrong. It’s a trial for either. William is being very difficult continuing to be very difficult or this is just William being like like, officially, I’m out like, yeah, I mean, it’s they basically say like, yeah, like you said, What, do you want to be banished or something? He was like, Yes, go for it. Fuck. Fuck you. Yeah, and they’re like, All right, you’re banished. It almost feels to me like it’s like William called it so that God could see him, renounce them and be like, I look, I’m done with you officially, Thank you. And so that so that he can maintain his, You know, his standing in the eyes of the Lord. Yeah, that’s an interesting take on it that he would call the trial. But I mean, I mean, that’s just what it feels like to be. Obviously, that doesn’t make the point. Is he’s very defiant and very confident in his ability to make it on his own, um, in the wilderness. So they go off and set up their homestead next to the edge of this impassible forest. Yeah, and you know, very early on as they’re going, a main character in this movie is the music and the soundtrack. The music does not. It communicates a lot. It does not bode well for this. Hold well for this family as they approach this forest. Birds air, not chirping bees. They’re not buzzing. But what you do here is creepy choral music and, like strings, it’s it’s ah, pretty intense in the soundtrack. We talked about this before. The soundtrack is just fantastic. The soundtrack. The soundtrack is perfect, like the choral music, the A bunch of voices all rising and falling and go together works really well. But not only the soundtrack, the sound design. What’s going on with the base, Um, what’s going on with the the way they pick up the vocals of everyone talking, It’s just so good. This is one of those things that’s very nerdy of me to point out. But what’s great about this movie is the dynamic range of the sound. How so? It reserves the very loud, loud for very loud moments, right, and normally it’s like a pretty relatively quiet film, and then some moments are very quiet, like there’s a big element, especially at the end around whispering, and it’s really effective because you’re leaning into it. And not only not only the sound is is but also the lighting that there are. So whereas some movies air just dark and you can’t see this movie is very dark for a lot of it. It’s, I mean, the lightest. It gets his gray. And I think I think the okay, There’s another podcast that you guys should listen to. I think I mentioned it before, but a 24 the studio that put out this movie, they have a podcast. And one of the episode was Ari Astor, the director of Hereditary, and Robert Eggers, the director of this film, just talking to each other. They’re interviewing each other, and it’s a really interesting up, so they don’t necessarily talk a lot about their own films. They actually talk a lot about their inspirations. One director and in particular, Ingmar Bergman, German director that was highly influential for both of them. They’re just kind of nerd ing out about this, Um, thing is a German Expressionist director, um, but in that in that interview, there are some stuff that that was revealing about Robert Eggers. In particular. His background is kind of in costume design I think his father or someone in his family was involved in fashion or costume design and sew. He has a really good grasp on it, and it comes out in this movie because the costumes were fantastic in the in. The setting of the movie is very realistic and, to your point of it, being dark talks. It’s got a beautiful Grady int of dark like It’s not just dark, and then it’s just black. It’s this amazing Grady int of light to dark right? But it’s realistically dark because at the time, if you think about it, if you’re in a scandal in the family at night, it’s literally lit by just candles. And so it’s super. Um, you know, the source. Lighting in the scenes is very dim and flickering, and I think I noticed, as I was watching those scenes with the family at night, just huddled around some candles. There he does light it a little bit more than would normally be from the source lighting, but very subtle right, because you can go to dark with this kind of thing as his evidence by that fucking Abe Lincoln movie with Daniel Day Lewis. Like that movie was so dark, I couldn’t see shit. The whole time I was in the movie theater. I couldn’t see anything. But we need to establish early that everyone in this found every everyone in the family is devout Christian. Oh, yeah, like they are true believers. There’s not really need out the only two that maybe kind of twins. That’s when the twins seem a little little ostentation. Yeah, they have, you know, they’re mostly Christians, but they also kind of like this black goat. Yeah, in particular. Um, but that’s really important that there’s not really any doubt in any of their minds like that’s not a part of it, Right? Religious doubt is not part of the equation, and that’s really interesting to me, the choice that they make. And I’ll talk a little bit more about that later. Um, within the 1st 10 minutes of this movie, we see the witch. Yeah, which is this most impressive part of this film, and it’s the part that sticks with me most probably because it’s the most shocking is it is. It’s like your ultimate nightmare come true. Yeah, so so opens up. They bear very quickly they’re expelled from the Puritan community. They set up their homestead and it kind of flashes forward and probably a couple seasons. It’s like they left in the spring, and now it’s here we are in the fall. So Thomas and the eldest girl is taking care of the baby Sam, and this is in the trailer. She’s playing peekaboo with him, and she covers her eyes and goes and does that three times. And the third time shams gone, she opens her eyes, and she’ll as she looks up there’s like a stick in the in the middle distance and a tree in the far distance. And they’re both wiggling, as though somebody just darted away right like it’s like Holy shit had How’d she moves? How? How did whatever grabbed him move so fast and he couldn’t feel it go by you or even just that moment in the trailer was so alarming, was on board was like Good God. That is frightening. Just having a baby vanish in front of you, and it’s within, like, closer than arm’s reach your hovering over it. It’s realistic to because I’m at that stage right now with Emma, where you know about nine months and she she she started calling a couple weeks ago. And now she’s so fast that you little you put her down and then you turn around to get a fork and then you turn back around. You’re like, Who? Where’s the baby? And, you know, she’s trying to pull the refrigerator down on top of it, right? So Baby Sam disappears and you think like, Oh, well, that’s gonna be the mystery of the movie. What happens to Sam? I know you don’t have to wait like it cuts to the witch running through the woods with the baby crying. Yeah, she’s like It’s like, Oh God, she’s she’s got him. There he is, He’s he’s in her arms. And then you go in this witches hovel and she’s kind of petting this naked baby. And you’re like, What’s she gonna do with this baby? What kind of ritual she’s gonna perform? And then she just picks up a knife. And you’re like, Oh, intimate cuts, too. Ah shot her a shot of her naked back. She’s naked port dimly lit and working away wars really, really working. And, uh, I don’t know howto howto break this to you. But she is mashing up this baby and like a mortar and pestle. Yeah, like just really grinding down baby and that she’s mirror on her. She rubs it all over herself, so alarming. It’s I can’t Stress is enough. This is within the 1st 10 minutes of the film, my wife was like She’s like, I remember this movie. This movie was great and then 10 minutes and she’s like, This movie is terrible. She’s like, I’m like, Yeah, but is it terrible? Is it just make you feel terrible on? She’s like it. It makes me feel terrible. It’s a great movie. I cannot get my wife to watch this movie. I tried so hard the angle of its a period movie. It’s It’s It’s a really it has artistic merit. It’s mostly accurate. All act all accurate. Yeah, that’s those. None of none of that is a lie. Yeah, and Ah, so, yeah, we’re We’re told very early on that this is a real thing, This which is actually mashing up babies and rubbing it on her body. And that’s like those air the table stakes for this movie. And so that’s where we are going on, and then it cuts back to the family. And a lot of it is just the family dealing with the disappearance of their baby. Yeah, and the fallout from that and all of the characters in their different stages of life and different priorities trying to live in this really, really marsh great environment. And, you know, you know, the baby going missing really sets the movie up for you know, your fall guy, you know? So now you have. I’m sorry, what’s the oldest girl’s name? I should Thomas and Thomas and Thomason is now like, fucked. Basically in the family’s eyes, she was. She was in charge of watching the baby, and the baby goes missing on her watch. And now she’s the fall guy, right? And, uh, and as if she wasn’t having a hard enough time coming of age, you know, she’s a young girl alone in the woods with Onley, her family coming of age. It’s just it’s this is everything’s coming to a head. Yeah, and things don’t go well for her after that as well. No, nothing goes well for anyone. The harshness of the wilderness is really a character in this movie. A very large element of this is in the backdrop. Not only are they suffering from this horrible loss, but also their farm is not doing well. Yeah, it has, like, like a little bunch of diseased corn. Yeah, and they are, Actually, we’re worrying about starving. Right? And William, the father is trying to do his best. Um, but in the end, you could you get the impression that he’s he doesn’t really know what you’re doing, either. Um, he he’s not terribly good at hunting. He’s not terribly good at farming, but he said he’s a dead ringer for chopping wood. Yeah, Dude’s got that wood chopping down and he does it throughout. That’s a that is a, ah, pretty constant. It’s a constant throughout the movie, where you get a scene of him chopping wood and basically it’s babe. It’s It’s just him getting his frustrations out, you know, it’s it’s him being with whatever that this next thing is that he’s dealing with. He’s just like fuck yeah. One of the main point is William doesn’t tell his wife Catherine, but he takes her silver copper prized silver Cup that she got from her grandfather or something, and he sells it so he can buy a trap for the woods because you know they’re going to starve. And so he’s trying to plan forward. He takes Caleb, their oldest son, but into the woods in the early morning, and William shares this secret with Caleb and tells him not to tell anyone. And, ah, they check this trap in its empty. It’s empty, it’s it’s gone off, but nothing. And they’re trying to go out and hunt and they have their gun with them and they spot a bunny. Yeah, William, like, kind of a hare, a hare. But it is a bunny, and you could tell that the hair is evil. Yeah, you could have got a real shifty eyes. You eat em and he’s not wrong. What? He says, the way sounding it sounds almost like a Norma Donald job. But no, that’s that’s an evil looking bunny. Yeah, it’s and like the music cues and stuff, it’s it’s great. So I mean, I always make for a reference to this, but that’s like a Simpsons references Bunny looked at you when ah, Homer is pitching a movie idea to Mel Gibson. He does laundry if the laundry list of all these ideas. And this is like the The dog is evil and Mel Gibson’s like, Well, how do you know that the dogs evil always got real shifty? I think at the end, while they’re running the credits in that episode, they got a dog with shifty eye looking around and you’re like, Oh, yeah, that dog is evil But this rabbit is he’s, um yeah, he’s a bad rabbit. And then the gun I said, I should say she’s a bad rabbit. Yes, it’s This is the which is familiar. Is it, though? Is one of them? Yeah, absolutely. And, ah, so they tried to shoot it, this rabbit, but the gun back fire. So it’s very obvious that this rabbit or this which have influence and they’re kind of fucking with yeah, the family and their livelihood And because and I mean there’s more to just the trap being set off, and there’s nothing there than just that because you look at the bare trap. If it gets set off, whatever sets that thing off is in there like like it’s not a hair trigger. Take some weight to Dio and and if if whatever put some weight on there, did it, it’s It’s still in the trap. Yeah, so they go back. And and so there’s this added element of Katherine wondering where your Silver Cup is. And this resent this growing resentment between Catherine and Thomas and her oldest daughter, oldest daughter, and the secret that Williams keeping so lots of, like, interpersonal stuff. The other thing that’s happening, like each character has a really interesting ark. Yeah, like every single one. So Thomason has this whole drama surrounding her of losing the baby and becoming more people becoming more and more so. Something about sheep of the family and Caleb, the oldest brother. He’s just on the cusp of of puberty. Yeah, you can tell he’s really dealing with what that means, because he’s like dealing with these hormones. And he’s trying to start sneaking a peek at Thomason’s breast, yeah, through her clothes. And then I could spend a whole episode just talking about that Really, like that is so there’s another movie that does that to which is babble. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen battle. No, I haven’t. But there’s this part. It tells the story of, like these different, disparate families across the world and how they impact each other. But one of the families is this Afghani. I think it’s an Afghani family, okay? And yeah, one of the boys is like tracked it to a sister because there’s no other women around. And you’re like going through puberty and living in a super super conservative religious environment that tells you your evil if you have any kind of lustful thoughts or whatever. And so, like when you have a lustful thought, it goes to the worst place, right? But this movie deals with it in such a realistic way. It’s not it. It’s not perverse or anything like that. I mean, it is in in in, in the very most bare bones of nature’s. But it’s not because of because of his reaction. He no, he’s feel shame about it. He’s trying to, you know, he’ll spend a little too long looking looking at her, and then he’ll and then he is very clearly feeling shame over it and and will avert his eyes from her for a whole minute, you know, and won’t even talk to her had just been like, you don’t leave me alone. I’m just trying to get by and be a non center here. So, like, and he doesn’t Can you take those sweater puppies and just maybe put him over there for a while? And he does love his sister to, like, just, you know, as a brother. Yeah. I mean, it’s just it’s just when there’s boobs out, you gotta look. Yeah. What are you going to do? Is one of those things when you’re growing up like you worry about. Like, what does this mean? Like, does this make me a bad person? Or does this make me evil? Um, or even like parents, when they see their kids doing stuff they have to be told or remind like this is just normal kid stuff. Well, yeah, this is stuff that they they’re figuring out. Like if you leave like little kids alone at a certain age, like they’re gonna end up naked around each other and they’re just gonna be curious and play doctor, whatever. And especially now, nowadays, you just like you immediately go to Okay. There’s some sexual predation going on. And even though even though they’re like five like, Oh, someone is preying on another. It’s like, No, this is This is just part of, like, curiosity and growing up and trying to figure out feelings and what not, anyway, So that’s going on with Caleb. It’s a mother, of course, is going through this grief spiral with losing Sam dealing with leaving her her country. Yeah, she left England. She misses, presumably, her whole family. Mrs Society, this is society realization. Now she’s cast out of their community, and everything is going wrong for so it’s very tempting. But I’m sure people look at the character of Catherine and say, Oh, she’s just a shrew or she’s like Man, she’s a real bitch Like she’s not being helpful. It’ll like the second viewing. Especially. I’m like, No, this is perfectly understandable lamp stuff that happens to Katherine. It is absolutely understandable that she would go insane like no doubt. Yeah, only abs. Absolutely. If you consider the whole of her of her, you know her life, and then where’d it’s amounting to? Right now, everything is Everything is coming to a head for this family very quickly. It for every person in this family and she’s really the only one that’s reacting in a relatively normal way to how crazy things are. Isn’t it weird? Isn’t it weird how, like she loses her son, her baby? Uh huh. And then, like, really almost the last, like one of the last straws for her is losing her Silver cup. Like then she’s like, Where’s my fucking silver cut? Like I moved away from my country. I got banished from the from our small little civilization. I lost a kid. I’m our farm is we’re not gonna have enough food for winter. And where’s my fucking cop? And then? Well, yeah, And then later, um, spoiler. We’re in the spoiler section, so doesn’t matter. But later, Caleb dice, right? And so she is. She’s her family is dying in front of her. It’s the only thing she has left, and even then, they’re worried about starving and all dying. So anyways, like her reaction to what’s happening makes a lot of sense. Even Williams reaction to it makes less sense because his pride and his like his stoic nous about the situation is probably not natural that he should be more panicked. And he’s he’s not I mean, but we all know Well, I mean, I know of at least a few people, uh, you know, in my in my family, who are very similar to him and and the reason I believe he is, he is. His faith is so strong, and he is so sure that God is with him that it justifies and and explains away, You know, I’ve met this guy who is just like this. I know him. He’s you know, I’m related to him. You s Oh, yeah. Um, so that’s his character. And then finally, the last characters of the twins. And they’re just little kids. They’re annoying little kids. They’re going a little shits, but a little boy and girl, they’re still innocent. But there’s something going on there. Yeah, there’s definitely something going on there. They’re singing this song. They’re a little too attached to this black goat black Philip who shows up out of nowhere. This if I if I caught the the um if I caught the way the way it went down is these kids are dancing around that that first scene with them dancing around and singing to black Phillip black. But they have the song for him. That’s the first time this family has seen Black Phillip Black. Philip appeared out of nowhere, and the dad wrestles him into into the cage. Know that it was their goat. And no, because because then later, Thomason says, says to her dad, Oh, and then and then this goat shows up out of nowhere and the twins, or just are able to speak to it. And you think when he’s basically accusing her of being a witch, she’s like, Well, what about the twins? This goat shows up out of nowhere. They can talk to it. It talks to them like I don’t I didn’t hear That comes out of nowhere thing because it’s hard. It’s hard for me because because her speech is so stilted in this old 16 hundreds kind of vibe. That’s what I thought I got out of it. I might be wrong. Correct me if I’m wrong. The first thing listening to this, the first thing is they’re like, dance around black Philip and out of his pen out of his pen, and they’re like the father is pissed off that they let him out, so, like it didn’t it didn’t appear then. So at least they had it at least before that scene. Okay? He was supposed to be in the pan and wasn’t. I’ll try and look it up as we’re as we’re talking. You know, uh, I can’t just pull it out on Netflix, so Yeah, Black Philip was in the family after some research. After some research, we we went back to the film way did reveal the tape. Um, so, yeah, these these twins are really enamored with this goat, and their family has had the whole time. I was wrong in my assumption that they found the go. Yeah. So they they’re singing songs to this goat, right? They have a song for black Phillip. They have a couple little things that they do and say with Black Philip. And this is one of those things that I I almost suggest that you watch this movie with subtitles. You can’t understand it. Um, it is kind of old English, so there might be some phrasing. It might be a little confusing. Um, but a lot of the stuff happens like a lot of the lyrics and stuff kind of betrays what’s going to happen. So this is the song that they sing Two black Philip, you gotta imagine Two twins singing this like that are maybe like, should we try a blackfella black Philip? A crown goes out, it’s and blackfella black Philip to Nanny Queen is wed Jumped the fence post running in the stall Blackfella black Philip, King of all King of all Yeah, on the other one’s air Black Philip, King of sky and land, King of sea and sand We are ye servants. We are ye men. Yeah, and black Phillip eats the lions from the lion’s den s Good lord like this is like they’re hard core They’re pledging allegiance to this black goat and saying that he is the Lord of land and sea and air and and their parents or just like, Hey, can you can you guys keep it down a little bit while you’re singing your Pledge of Allegiance to this Go? Yeah, so it feels very like, in a sense, while they’re doing it. But there’s this edge to it. Yeah, the direction is great. You’re like, something’s not right about that. Yeah, the whole time you’re like, these twins are fucked up but you can’t necessarily hear what they’re saying because a lot of it’s like in the background and other stuff is happening. But if you have the subtitles on you could read it. You’re like, Good Lord, that is actually Satan in this goat. Um, there. So they there’s a lot of resentment around Thomasina. The mom wants to ship off Thomasina cause she’s coming of age and she’d be better serving another family and maybe making them some money. I think that was kind of part of it. Or that we’re gonna sell her off or to be a servant or something, The mainly salary or something. It was mainly to have her not be there for another mouth to feed since they’re going to start. Yeah, but Caleb overhears this and he doesn’t want that to happen. So he takes it upon himself to go out into the woods and try Thio, get trying to rustle up some grub, rustle up some grub and hunt and Thomasina demands that he takes her with him. They go out into the woods and probably Caleb just goes out. Uh, kind of a lot. He, like, two sets off apart from Thomas And on a chase? Yeah, he sees Was it the rabbit? So that they catch a rabbit in the trap and then they seize the shifty eyed rabbit and he starts chasing after it. And Thomas seems like, whoa! And she’s on a horse and the horse is freaked out by the devil rabbit and ex her off. So Caleb is chasing this rabbit and ends up at the at the witches hut, which we’ll wait before before we get to. There is probably one of my favorite parts in the movie, especially with the subtitles on, because they’re trying to find each other in the woods after they’re separated. And Caleb is trying to whistle for Thomason. Yeah, and ah, the subtitle for it is attempted whistling. And here’s a clip from the booth. She puts his fingers in his mouth, you know, do the finger whistle. And that’s exactly what I would sound like thio on. So, yeah, he goes into the woods and he discovers this hut, and you’re like, Oh, that’s the witches hut. Now, once we get to the end of this whole thing, I’m going to discuss a couple themes that I see in this movie, and I think it’s important to mention just for for the sake of my explanation of these themes this the way this hut looks, it’s almost it’s almost the land. Yeah, it’s like a hobbit hole. It’s bit, yeah, it’s basically ah hill with with a den cut into it and Ah, and it’s it’s very has. It’s very obvious that they’re trees growing out of the top of it like this is part of the landscape. Yeah, And so you’re like, Oh, this is the witches, then. And you’ve seen the witch before that she’s this evil hag young woman like 75 year old naked. And then what comes out of the the hut is this, like, hot, witchy woman bosomy lady? Yeah, and Caleb, which is already trying to like feeling guilty about sneaking a peek at Thomason’s like pretty, you know, underdeveloped chest there through like layers and layers and layers of fabric of linen like this. Stiff, stiff, stiff linen. Yeah, this woman is like she is propped up like presenting, and Caleb is just not equipped to deal with it. He is. He is in the throes of passion. He’s he’s like, Whoa. Like, frozen in his tracks like he can’t move because he’s like, I want to fuck. That’s so bad. But I don’t know what to do. I need to run. This isn’t right. I need to find my sister. And then the which slowly walks up to him and and like, start kissing him on the mouth inappropriately. Yeah, bad trash. Like he does not consent. And then she grabbed his neck, and then it cuts. And so then the next thing Thomas and goes back to her family and like, this is the worst possible fucking thing that they lose. So I the horse I’ve got, like, a huge thing. Rice. They got some bad news. Remember how we lost that? First? I lost that first baby. Um, yes, Sam. I remember him. Did you find him out in the woods? So it’s pretty? No, not exactly that. Like I said, it’s bad news, but it’s not. It’s not the worst news because I’m here. Right. So, um, I went out in the woods with Caleb. Um, I lost him too. Yeah. Yeah. So Caleb’s gone. The horse is gone, which is just like a hugely significant loss that they never really touch on. After that, they do a little bit. He’s like, he’s like she’s like, What? Could you just go back to the Village? And he’s like, It’s a day’s ride with, ah horse and I don’t have that anymore. And I think the dog never comes back, either. Yeah, the dog gets injured in the woods, and, uh and that’s that. Yeah, so she comes back and then all of a sudden it’s really suspicious. What is up with Thomasina or Thomason? And and so it just goes down from there. Um, the the this is really kind of when the mom goes crazy descending into madness, the movie really starts ramping into, ah, fever pitch. And it’s and it’s only made worse when Caleb comes back. Yeah, because Thomason is really trying to get in the good graces of her mom. And she’s like, I’ll let me go like, take care of the goats for you or something like that. It’s dinner time, and her mom’s like, No, it can wait till morning and she goes out. Don’t worry about it. I’ll go do it anyway. Yeah, she’s trying to really ingratiate herself to the family to try to make up for this horrible tragedies that’s happened. And then Caleb comes back naked. It’s like in the rain. This is almost worse because she names and all of a sudden, Caleb’s back and naked, and he is definitely like Bewitched. So you lost him and you found him? Yeah, and so they bring him in. He is. Fever’s got a fever. He can’t talk. Yeah, And what When he does talk, he’s whispering in tongues or something like that. Yeah, And he’s like they try to bleed him to cure him because, you know, that’s the cure for everything is bleeding someone and ah So that’s kind of where it’s at, its like slowly descending into madness. And then what happens is Caleb comes out of it briefly. He comes out of it to do the most disturbing thing he possibly could write because he’s like starting to yell out that the witches attacking them and and then it just descend. This is like the most madness that happens in the movie, because to set the scene, he contorts. Caleb is in in this bed, in the in the attic, like there’s a window over him, shining light on him and he starts the family spasming. The family is around him viewing this. Yes. Oh, mother and father on each side of Thomasina nose kind of at the foot. And then the twins are off to the side. They’re all there, Caleb. Start spasming and spouting off like craziness about this witch, and they’re panicking. And so Mother, father and Thomason and start the twins start mimicking him. They they start basically doing what he’s doing as he’s doing it. Kind of so they all start praying, like, try to do kind of a group. Let’s pray the devil out situation. And they’re all saying the Lord’s prayer. Accept the twins. Their tongue has stopped. Yeah, and they can’t speak and their life. So they claim I can’t remember how it goes. I can. And then it’s like she’s now. This whole time, the twins have been accusing Thomason of being a witch because at one point, the movie Thomas and got sick of their ship and was like, Hey, you bitches, Shut up. I am a witch, And if you tell anybody I’m going to get you. Yeah, and it was like a bigger sister. Well, yeah. Lighthearted, you know? Well, not lighthearted. A serious, bigger sister moment. But a bigger sister moment. Nonetheless. Yes. So they picked the worst time to act like this is like the crucible part. This is like the party crucible where the little girl’s air acting bewitched. And it’s at this moment that they decided to do that. But also, they might actually be affected. Well, they’re not effective. Very hard to tell. They’re basically probably being told by Satan to do this. It’s definitely a good trick to trick the family, Which is where Satan works is grayer. And and so the gray area, Bryce, And then Caleb is it doesn’t help. Like they’re praying, Caleb. Eventually, like, from when he talks about, he sees Jesus Christ and welcome you into his bosom and kind of like in ecstasy. Yeah. Like in in, like, religious ecstasy and dies. Yeah, he he basically says, Oh, Lord, here you are. You’re here. You’re here to take me. Take me, lord, and then and then just fucking dice. Yeah, And like in the most dramatic fashion you possibly can and you know what an act, man, This all the kids in this. All the actors, all the actresses. Brilliant, Fantastic. I can’t believe they got this out of what appears to be a 10 to 12 year old boy. So? So that happens. And then what? Just in very quick succession, William accuses Thomason of being a witch. And this is the greatest thing. We just watched it again. Thomason, you know, he says, like you’re a witch and she’s like, No, I’m not like, Why don’t why won’t you believe me? And he’s like, Tell me the truth. If you tell me the truth, we can get rid of it. Yeah, she’s like, she’s like, You want me to tell you the truth? And then she goes, is the best moment of nails him to a cross because she just points out like you did all these things, these horrible things to me. Like you let Mom believe that I stole this silver cup and you let her and you are terrible at farming. You took Caleb out in the morning and on. I took the blame for that too. Yeah, and ah, they she, like, points out these terrible at farming. He’s terrible at hunting the only thing he’s good at is chopping wood. And, like just all this, like laying out the dirty laundry and Lee unsaid bag. You want to talk truth, Let’s talk truth. And so he, of course, hits her and eventually Oh, and then she reveals. She points out like, Hey, your two twins are communicating on the regular with this goat and singing songs to him. So I think we all know who the witches are there these these fucking kids air evil and they’re lying to you. And so it’s kind of like a moment of realization for William. But in the end he puts Thomason and the twins into the barn. The remaining children nails him in there. Hey, nails like them in with wood planks and says, like we’re gonna figure this out. You guys sit out here because my wife and I need some time to think. And then the ending is just the most. It’s like the best delivery of this story because black Philip gets a man I could talk so long about this anti black bill gets out. Um, William confronts Black Philip the scene. Okay, the scene after he puts the kids in the barn. He’s like praying to God in, like despair. And he’s like, Just forgive me of my pride like I’m This is all my fault. Like I tried my best. Like, what is going on? Please save us. Meanwhile, in the shed, the kids are sitting out in the shed in the dark at night, and they hear something jump onto the roof. And then and then they watch it work its way, and you don’t get to see it. But they watch it, work its way into the shed with the And then Then there’s a scene of this old witch basically slurping, slurping milk out of the goats. Ted. Yeah, and this isn’t the other every time they show the which is great, because stroll which and they go on full on which cackle. Here’s here’s a clip, Theo. I love it. Okay, look, I just got goose bumps so bad. Yeah, it’s like, Oh, that is scary. That is frightening. Seeing a like evil. Dag, that’s like eating readily children. Definitely, definitely bad person. Yeah, so? So that’s all happening, Williams, like praying to the Lord and really, sincerely, like in despair. And then when this thing is such an interesting choice. Such an interesting choices as all the is like the family gets picked off one by one, basically black Philip gets out. It’s already been established like something ain’t right with Black Phillip and the horns on this go. Yeah, black Philip attacks Williams like stabs Um, like horribly in the abdomen. William is immediately bleeding from the mouth from this. He’s going to die now and he lifts up. This this act. It’s like the moment in sightings. Exciting. No signs. Signs where? Swear way, mayor. Like swing away, Merrill. Except instead of chopping down on black Phillip, this is such an interesting choice. And I love it so much he throws the axe down and then he says, I think this line is chills corruption. Thou art my father, and then he falls down. And then that the goat attacks Oh, yeah, pushes them into the wood pile and this giant like ton of wood falls on Williams. So in the last moment of his life and this is so significant in there in their theology he dies chopping wood. That dude he dies doing the one like in the one thing he was good at. So he black feel kills him. And in that moment, he basically submitted to write Satan. He said, Corruption, our my father. So he gave up. Yeah, and it’s like in their theology and in their belief system. That’s just it’s the worst thing, the worst thing you can do, like he evil one in that moment. And then it shows the mother she comes upon this scene and she sees she sees the shed that’s torn apart. And Thomason is basically passed out hanging out of the ship well before that, actually. So in the night that the which appears to the children, there’s lots of stuff that happens. And Kathlyn Katherine Katherine the mother, um, goes downstairs, and she’s greeted by her two missing children. Yeah, Caleb and Sam. And like a love dream, almost. Caleb’s holding Sam in the candlelight, and she’s like, Oh, my God, my children have come back to me and Caleb starts talking to Catherine in a whisper. Yeah, and it’s like, This is what you want. Yeah, it’s like we can we can come back to any time like kind of this thing and and Catherine, take Sam, and he’s crying. So he goes to breast feed her, and then it cuts to reality. And it shows this raven pecking mattered tit and, like, just really been. She’s in the throes of of motherly ecstasy. Like she’s like, Yea, I have my children back. This looks like Poland on her flash. Really alarming stuff. And then so yeah, then cut to, um, Williams dead. And Catherine comes out and she sees this shed. Or this barn is, like, completely tort apart. Like it looks like an explosion happened and all the dead goats around it. Yeah, and then it’s It’s just Thomas. And the twins aren’t They’re twins are gone. Twins like disappeared or something. It’s never talked about where the twins go now. Wow. I mean, the twins made a pact. You sing. I assume the twins are just gone. Yeah, well, I assume they’ve not not dead and gone, but, like they like, the devil got them. Yeah, And then Mother attacks Thomason. And this is another moment that just really is just this great payoff between the characters because it just ends in tragedy. And the mother is like attacking her and Thomas. Um grabs a knife like grabbed like some farm implement slashes her and then because her mother’s really attacking her, like really trying to do her harm killer And she she cuts her mother in the face in the face. Beats her, and she’s like It’s the most heartbreaking moment because Thomason, even in this moment, says, I love you. Love she so helpless in this moment, it’s basically everything in this movie is happening to Thomason. Yeah, she’s this innocent girl, true believer. She’s really trying to do her best, and it all points to her as being the reason for it. And it’s not right. So her mom is trying to kill her, and then she has to. She has to kill her mom to save herself, and when she does, you can tell a switch flips. You know, Rick Intel, because by then, everything gone have ordered her entire family is gone or dead right at that at that point and then So the the final ending is so Thomason in a daze, goes into the house and how to sleep and falls asleep. And when she wakes up, she goes back out into the barn and black Phillip is sitting by the barn just waiting for, and they both go in to the barn. They have a discussion, and she she goes to him and and says, like, you know, talk to me like you talk to Thio twins. The twins like, speak to me. Can you understand my English? And then this is the iconic moment in the film. I pulled the clip. I conjure thee to speak to me. Speakers had to speak to Jonas and mercy. Just I understand my English time and someday, Well, this won’t what can soak it. What’s it like with taste? But but British press? What’s that like? Yes, I cannot underline how great the scene is. It’s It’s so it’s so artistically done to the choices that they make for Satan. But I’m always really interested in depictions of Satan. Yeah, and film in an art. And this is one of the more interesting ones because it’s she’s talking to a goat. You don’t actually see the goat in this scene. And when black Philip quote unquote starts talking to her, it shows like the very tips of an actual man. Yeah, they’re so you see, like walking the other TSC like that’s the boots to great way to say it. You see the boots and then you see him like walk around behind her and he’s like in the darkness, and you can barely barely make out an outline of, like, a face or person. And he’s like just offering her the pleasures of life, you know? And just that the phrase wouldst thou like the taste of butter, and it’s so simple and back in those times that must have been like that is so you got some butter. Wait a minute. What? Well, I mean, you say butter. I don’t think it’s probably rare. I think that butter was like a thing. But to just eat it to talk about the richness of right. What he can offer is like, Do you like the taste of butter? It’s you like nice clothes you wanna live deliciously. It’s just such an interesting way to phrase that it’s beautiful and and then she submits. She’s like, Yeah, yeah, I don’t know how to sign. And he’s like he’s like, all guide your hand and then you see, like another outline of him, like kind of collect, clutching her like you don’t really see. You don’t really see him, but you get the impression that he’s touching her. It’s I honestly believe, that the only brace one of them or underutilized characters in in art is Lucifer or Satan like an actual, just a depiction of Satan himself. Like every time that they do it. There’s so much interesting stuff you can do, like, you know, if you go back in history to like Paradise Lost by Milton like the most interesting character. And that is Satan like That’s the only interesting one because like you got God, which is perfect. So boring, boring. You got Adam and Eve, which are perfect and innocent, which is boring. And then you got Satan That’s got beef. Yeah, and in perfect and and And Has intelligence. Yeah, you know, like he has, like, that’s what he gives to Adam and Eve. He gives them the gift of intelligence. You have the ultimate evil, ultimate intelligence. He knows everything. He’s basically like God any. And he has. He is also powerful, yet he’s he’s the bad guy to God’s good guy. Yeah, yeah, No. So anyway, before we get into the themes on this. I do want to give a shout out to Dust. And Goebel, who does who has given us some great artwork for Pumpkin Head and also now for the witch. It’s ah, you can check out his his artwork for the witch. He he drew, um, black black Philip for us and and it’s ah, I think it’s, I think, his It says the witch lived deliciously. Yeah, and it’s beautiful and you check it out. You should check him out. His instagram is at D Goebel. That’s G o E B E l 00 on instagram. You check out his ah, his art. And you know, if you have, if you have professional artwork needs or if you have, like, fan fan stuff that you want, want done, I’m sure he can. You can help you out to get a hold of him. Yeah, big thanks to you. Really, really awesome. That is very, very generous toe. Help us out with the artwork. And so, yeah, this let’s let’s talk about the films where I knew that this was gonna be a long episode, because there’s so much to talk about it. It’s so interesting to meet like each each one of these points, like I could talk about Caleb and his dealing with hormones. And, like attraction. I could talk about William and his like struggles with faith and trying to support this family. And, like every single character, is interested. It’s E. I mean, even the titles Interesting. The two V’s. I looked up, I looked up. Why it was why was spelled the vich V v i. T. C h instead of the which apparently, in this time in, you know, the early 16 hundreds. W. Was not in common use. Yeah, they didn’t have it, so they made it with two V’s. Yeah, and it’s like a German thing, too. I mean, like, I think it’s also just a German pronunciation of the letter W so that just six to the bank then, like spelling, was not standardized. That’s something that we don’t have. Like even even in like the 18 hundreds. Spelling was not standardized at all, especially in American English. So that just speaks to the effort’s gone forth to make this, you know, a true period piece. So there’s a bunch of themes in this that I’d like to at least touch on one of which is this is a strongly feminine or or feminist film. To me, I This the shame that that that women are made to feel about their body and have been, is so is so prevail int prevalent, relevant, relevant in this in this movie and and being and the the Thomas and being blamed for everything taking on all of the yet and also like the value or superstition of the value of a woman. Two men to where it’s revealed at the very end. When the mother is attacking Thomason, that this whole time she’s like You’re a slut and you’re you’re trying to seduce my son and my husband away from me. It’s like this undercurrent of like sexuality our hour of the three of being of being a female and and, you know, this is almost the Adam and Eve Eden story told in reverse. You know, it’s like at the end instead of at the beginning. She accepts the knowledge she does the deal with the devil. You know, she and and she’s what she’s given in return is freedom. Like now she’s truly free. She goes out into the woods. She’s naked. She no longer has to has to worry about being ashamed of her body. She rises into the air. That’s the ultimate freedom. Being able to fly like she’s. She’s done with this life of being everybody’s bitch of of being, you know, blamed for everything. And now she has the power. She’s the one who and by the way, the witches in this movie have all the power throughout the whole movie, most true, like they are in control the whole way through there. And they’re the female force. The other one I wanted to talk about so that I find the most interesting about this. This this film which is which is which is, um, you know, in a time where women, you know, historically were were burned at the stake for being what they weren’t in this movie, that which is actually do exist and they have the power. Yeah, the other one is nature versus versus order, you know, chaos and order. Right? Which is which is, um Yeah, that’s also kind of a part of the the lore of the devil on dhe witches. Right, is that it’s very based in nature to right that is the true at a concept of Satan is that he’s the Lord of Earth. Yes, like God is the god of the heavens and everything in the universe. But Satan is put on Earth to rule, like the worst impulses of man and of nature, right? Like And that’s that’s kind of It’s so interesting because because nature is cast as evil and nature as well as we know, nature is not evil. Nature just is. It is there. It may appear evil and very harsh because that’s that’s the world, and I can see how someone would construe it that way. But ah, but this trying to eke out into the wilderness and carve your order into it does in this situation does not work out there trying to trying to force the land, to give them what what they need. But the witches, they’re doing just fine. Living basically in the land like they’re like their hovel is just a hill that they carved into the land. And they’re just stealing babies and rub them all over themselves, doing doing fine, like they got everything they need. Yeah, obviously the land will provide babies for them to mash right rub on their body. Yeah. When you need to mortar and pestle yourself a baby, just go on, Get one. Satan’s there for you. He’s got you covered. Uh, yeah. Did you? Oh, and the other one was Everyone in this movie purports to be everyone being the family Everyone in this family purports to and hopes to be so pious. But the whole way along there, they’re lying. There’s all these little lies and all these little imperfections that make each one of them. D’oh! The mom, the dad, the the brother, The cyst, like they’re all like the sister messes with the twins. She shouldn’t have done that. Like every one of them is deserving of some sort of retribution. Yeah, I mean, this is like, Okay, so I’m locking my Christian brain or unlocking kind of a theological part of it. This is a theme that I found really interesting Is the closeness of sin. Yes, that it’s right. There were always trying and everyone’s in perfect, but they’re trying so hard to be perfect. Pretty much everyone succumbs except Caleb Caleb. Yes, he does. It does like he doesn’t run away from the witch, but also, you know, he’s kind of bewitched and like he’s lustful. He’s also preyed upon by the witch. But when he comes back and he he has the kind of a deathbed moment of redemption, like he accepts the Lord and his Lord and Savior. And when he dies, he saved like that is, that is the day that the heavy implication and everyone else succumbs. And the most heartbreaking one is William, that he is the pillar of strength and the family. And in the final moment, like the moment on his, he’s going to die. He could kill Black Philip. He almost made us with this acts that he’s like, you know, swing away Merrill moment and he decides like he has. He decides to let a happy decides to let it happen, and he’s not even really worked upon by the devil. It’s just literally his despair. It would just be easier to give up. And in that moment he decides, and it’s so so be it a close. So in that theology, and in that that those rules of like what? What you say on your deathbed or like any given moment, your decision can lead you to damnation. They all decide to go down that road even though all of them are pious love, Homer. They’re good people, too. It’s not even I can’t even say that They’re necessarily hypocrites. Even Williams actions therefore the best interest of this family. He’s not like lying for the sake of lying, his lying to try toe to try and save. Whoever is in the is in the crosshairs of the mom at that moment. Yeah, he wants to like a very good reason. His his wife is despairing. Yeah, about this lost baby. Trying to smooth things is a bad time to come to her and say, like, Hey, you know this treasured cup like we really got to sell it right now. So he’s trying to, like, go through these actions to try to protect yes, the family, both his wife’s emotions and his family’s well being. So even like the hypocrisy unquote unquote that occurs in the family like it’s all well meaning it is all and and it’s just, you know, I think it’s a great example of it is in our nature to sin. You know, we way we are, there’s no way to escape it, right. It’s very hard. Even Caleb, who is basically sinless, lust after his sister a little bit and feels remorse for it. And it’s to do the people of that time the prospect of witches and black magic and Satan’s influence. And even like when you put it in that context. For modern viewers, it’s still terrifying. Yeah, and it must have been terrifying to them back then. Oh, my God. Specter of evil magic and which is working against you. You’re in a new land with new diseases, new shit. Noo noo animals like you got you left your family behind and across a huge ocean like it’s just amazing that you’re even here And now nature is trying to get you, and the only way you can rationalize it is there’s got to be fucking watches after me like this point. I’m just insane. So the ending, ending, ending is Thomas in, You know, signing Satan’s book and walking into the woods, and it ends in this black mass, and it’s really a beautiful ending It is, And it it’s probably the only depiction that I know of of what is historically described as a black mass and the pictures that you see of a group of naked women and witches floating in the air in a circle and Justine ecstasy because the kind of the lower behind witches is you signed Satan’s book and you become his concubine more or less like you are a witch. If you’ve had sex with Satan like that’s what historically that means. Is that okay? Yeah. Hey, that that woman’s a which I know because I think she fucks Satan who, like that’s quite an accusation. Yeah, and ah, that’s really interesting. Yeah, And you know, by you’ve been through this, like, following up on this feminine, feminist sort of agenda of the whole thing, you know, she doesn’t have to be scared anymore. Now she gets to be the terror, you know? Now she accept ce it and revels in it, and it never, never like it never shows the bad side of being a witch other than, you know, mashing up babies and rubbing against yourself like the whole part of the lore of Satan is that he is a deceiver. And whatever deal you make with him is a very bad deal on your for you. Are you saying it’s sweet? Are you saying Bryce that it’s sweet to be a witch because you get to kiss little kids? Is that what you’re saying? No, I’m saying, like it doesn’t show the bad part of being a witch. I’m disgusted by you. That is disgusting. I guess I’m not being clear on what I’m trying to say. But you I think of the undercurrent is like she she submits, she becomes a witch, and the audience is left not only with the with the, um, aftershock of what happened with family, but also there’s an understanding that this is not gonna work out good for Thomason like this is still the bad choice. I mean, you know, who’s to say it seems like a sweet deal? Let’s go with it. You know, uh, corruption. Thou art my father. Yeah. All right. So that’s the witch fantastic movie. I mean, so final recommendations for this. I think everyone should see this movie. There’s some people that aren’t gonna like it. This is This is too heavy of a ride for many people for sure. Like there are people who will just not be able to handle the 1st 10 minutes of this. Yeah, and then it is just is not gonna end up good. See, that’s the thing. I I feel like it’s such a great choice. Two put throw down the stakes right away, down the stakes right away And it like All right, yes. This is a super accurate historical drama, but there is, ah, supernatural, supernatural Hagee, which that’s gonna eat, baby. So for those people, that kind of like the more gory or, you know slash cherie horror, there’s, you know, there’s an undercurrent of that Got you covered. That’s so interesting. So it’s a great degree. I’ve had such a good time. Just dissecting it and going back over it, like this movie is. So is such a dead ringer for just a very satisfying, well made movie. Um, I’ll go back to a year after year. I really Well, is it true truth transcendent 10. And this week, as of So this is released on Wednesday and Thursday Friday, Robert Eggers is coming out with his sophomore film, which is the lighthouse, which was super excited about seeing. So so go see the lighthouse this weekend. Go see it. We’re going to be reviewing. And I think as Willem Dafoe in it, Yeah. Willem Dafoe and, um, the vampire from from Twilight Series. What’s his name? Robert Pattinson. Okay. Robert Patton. Oh, wow. It’s been a while. Hot minutes since I seen him. He’s been in stuff, Just not stuff you’ve watched. Oh, okay. Yeah, that makes, um so, yeah, check it out. It’s streaming on Netflix. Watch this and then watch the lighthouse this week. Yeah. Okay. Moving on to tag lines. Years, tagline. How many you got? Four memory you got? I think I have three year four. Okay. Taglines is a game when we come up with alternate taglines for the movie that we’re reviewing, and I think I got some good ones. Okay, you go first. The witch. What’s now, like the taste of deez nuts. It was great because I did not expect it all like, oh, you corn ball. And then you said these nuts was on board. Ah, the witch eating babies and taking names. Uh, okay. The witch, loosely based on the actual life of Stevie Nicks. All right? The witch, the Oregon Trail. But instead of dysentery. You die from Satan. That’s good. The witch, which is all float down here. Look. All right, That one. Maybe not somewhere, right? I was trying. I probably could have worked that out better. It’s an it referenced people. Yeah, I get it, You know? Okay. The witch, the rave in the writing desk and the titty Well, cause she’s sitting at the writing desk and the ravens picking out her at her boob. I’ll get the reference. Is that a reference to something raving in the raven and the writing desk? Oh, yeah, it’s a It’s a It’s just a piece of cannon literature, that’s all. Um oh, yeah. All right. This will be a performance based one. The witch. You chopped 16 tons. What do you get? Another day older and your family is taken apart by satanic influences. Who would have thought that the which would have made for good tagline me? I mean, that’s Ah, it’s a great Do you have one last one? No, I don’t. I apologize, though I was thinking about it was like the raven and the writing desk. I think was actually the poem that the Mad Hatter gave in Alice in Wonderland. Uh, what is the raven and the right? Like, what’s the difference between what is the similarity between the raven and a writing desk? It’s like, what? I don’t know. Well, as it turns out, it’s the titty. Okay. There. You, um Okay. Next game. I mean, playing. I don’t game. I don’t know anything about this. What? Just called. What did they call, which is a witch, which is a witch? No music for this one. We’ll come up with something. Hold on. Hold on. Let’s play. Which is a way. Okay, so which is a Which is I’m going to give you two actresses, five sets of two actresses, and you have to pick which one has played a witch. Oh, that’s a cool game. Good for you. Look at you. Okay. Which is a witch? Okay. Sandra Bullock or Christina Hendricks. Oh, I know this for sure. Although Christina Hendricks would make a valuable is witch. Uh, no, Sandra Bullock was I believe in practical magic. Yeah, you’re right. Okay, I got one. Okay. Number to Michelle Pfeiffer or Kristen Stewart. Oh, that’s that’s Ah, away. I’m thinking of Dunst’s. But Stuart was the girl from the we just mentioned that Twilight Twilight. Okay. And eso Kristen Stewart and Michelle Pfeiffer. Miss Michelle Pfeiffer. I think Michelle Pfeiffer was in something about Salem. I’m gonna I’m gonna go with massage Michelle Pfeiffer, even though I’m sure Stuart has been in more witchy movie. Pfeiffer, you’re correct. Okay. And when l. Pfeiffer was in Witches of Eastwick? Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Okay. All right. These air easier than I thought I was. When you were over, I was overestimating your ability to not remember actresses or move Well. Well, there you go. That’s what you get for. Underestimate. All right. Next is why known a writer or Neve Campbell? Oh, that’s yeah. I mean, so the I’ll tell. I’ll give you this. You’ve done an excellent job of pairing up women who seem like they should have been witches because well known writer obviously seems like she should have been a witch at some point. But no, it’s Nev Campbell. All right. Fuck. All right, well, we’ve already won, but here’s the next to ah, Alyson Hannigan. Or are very plaza. See, now I don’t know who Alyson Hannigan is. Can you help me out. American pie issues The one that says one time at band camp. Oh, hello And Aubrey Plaza. Aubrey Plaza again is a very Wynonna Ryder. Ask choice. But, ah, um I think given her the Alyson Hannigan. Honey, I think she was probably probably hit something in one of the It was she in any of the, ah, scary movies? I’m going to say her. Well, I’m terrible. Okay, You’re right. Alyson Hannigan played a witch in Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV series. OK, Buffy, the vampire layer is what we prefer to last one. I hope this one’s the hardest one. All right, We’ll see. I’ll see. I’ll take it as the proof of concept if you don’t get this one right. All right. Milla Jovovich and Famke Janssen. Who’s Famke Janssen? Oh, you know. No, she was a model. And also she was Jean Grain. The original run of X Men movies. You would probably recognize her if you saw her. See now Milla Jovovich. Ah, star of all the resident evil movies and a few other movies I could see. And the fifth element? Uh, I could see her, like accidentally being like, ah, which you know, like by name. Like she plays a character who is technically, technically a witch the same way Yoda’s. I don’t know that for sure. We had what? A wizard? A wizard. But, um mmm. This is tough. I’m gonna go with the girl. Who? I don’t know, because I don’t think Milla Jovovich has played away. Damn it. Okay, all right. You got all you got, Every single fucking one of letting go. So Famke Janssen was a witch in Hansel and Gretel. Witch hunters? Yeah. Oh, I watched that. You did. I did see that. Yeah, well, she was The witch was not good. Shocking. Okay, So that waas which is what I should have waited. We have to attack that button, which is a So that’s our show for today. What A failed game. Will never play that one fucking again. I love that game. What are you talking about? I had a great time. Yeah, that one was kind of cobbled together at last second. It’s Some of those were so obvious. Like I was really hoping you weren’t gonna get Sandra Bullock. I thought that was gonna be the one practical Magic is okay. so a practical magic, fun, funny story. Uh, I think the first fight Carrie and I ever had was over that. So I’m dating my now wife like, 11 years ago, and, ah, and I’m over at her house. So I have an apartment. She’s living with her parents at the time it were in early twenties, and Ah, and I’m at her parent’s house because they have food. And I’m a bachelor who has peanut butter, and I’m getting tired of peanut butter. So I’m over at her house and, ah, practical magic comes on and cares like I loved his movie. And I’m like, This movie sucks. I’ve never seen such a visual response before or since. She’s like It does not suck. Get out House. Wait, what it does suck number one. So I dug in. Obviously, I was like, How can you say this movie doesn’t suck? Look at this movie, Boo And she’s And then she’s like, How can you say it turned into a big thing, you know? And then, ah, I think I probably charmed my way into getting to eat because I, you know, I could do that with older women. So I was like, Okay, she’s trying to make me leave because I think practical magic sucks. And then we ate a tense dinner or something like that, but yeah. Practical magic. Yeah. I still haven’t seen us fight. It’s a Sandra Bullock, and, uh, some other big notable no Tom Cruise is ex wife. Oh, Nicole Kidman in big notable wasn’t that Nicole Kidman was which twice she was in practical magic and Bewitched. Oh, dude. Oh, you know that’s something else. All right. So thank you for listening to the show special thanks to Dust and Goble again our artist for the show which graciously made our cover art for the post episode check out, um, the cover art for this, but also for pumpkin head. 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There is a reason why The Witch is considered to be the first movie in the "elevated horror" sub-genre. It raised the stakes for what a great horror movie could be. Think that's hyperbole? Well listen to our review of The VVITCH, There is a reason why The Witch is considered to be the first movie in the "elevated horror" sub-genre. It raised the stakes for what a great horror movie could be. Think that's hyperbole? Well listen to our review of The VVITCH, and we'll state our case.







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Plot Synopsis for The VVitch



This film is about a family that is trying to live off the land in seventeenth century New-England after being banished from a Puritan plantation due to ideological differences. The film never tells specifically what these religious differences are, but the father William (Ralph Ineson) is a devout man of god that, while prideful and stubborn, is trying to raise his family as zealous christians. William’s family is made up of his wife Katherine (Kate Dickie) and his five children Thomasin (Anya Taylor-Joy) the eldest teenage girl, Caleb (Harvey Scrimshaw) the next oldest boy that is on the cusp of puberty, the young twins Mercy and Jonas, and finally the baby Sam. While the harsh realities of homesteading in 1630 present their own danger, the family is also beset by a witch that lives in the nearby woods. 



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Thoughts on The Witch



This film’s original title was The VVitch: A New-England Folktale, and it really is that. Great lengths are taken to make this period piece authentic. From the costume design to the dialogue which is sometimes directly taken from sources from the time. I went in with a certain set of expectations with this film. I thought that the major dramatic tension in a super realistic period film would come from the mystery or doubt surrounding false witchcraft accusations ala The Crucible. Well this is not the Crucible, while realistic, this is still very much a FOLKTALE, and as such, the Witches are VERY real, and the power of the devil is frighteningly apparent.



It should be noted that this film is important in the genre as the first of the modern wave of horror films dubbed “elevated horror” that have come out of A24 films. The seriousness and craft that the director Robert Eggers is undeniable, and showed how successful serious, cerebral horror movies could be. 



I really can’t say enough good things about this film. It creates a believable world filled with relatable characters, which brings a really unprecedented gravity to some fantastical supernatural elements. There is no doubt in this movie for the audience. They go FULL WITCH, very early on, and the audience gets to witness in horror, the dramatic irony of this poor family being ripped apart by the powers of Satan.



Score



10/10



Spoilers for The Witch



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Pumpkinhead Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/10/09/pumpkinhead-review/ Wed, 09 Oct 2019 07:01:22 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3160 Pumpkinhead is one of the most straightforward and simple movies I think I have ever seen. You know that motif of, “made for TV movie” that movies like Tremors have? Pumpkinhead has that same feeling. While it does hold a place as a cult classic, that doesn't mean it's good. Skip to Intro - 0:23Skip to Trailer - 8:08Skip to Synopsis - 9:37Skip to Review - 12:00Skip to Score - 18:16 Skip to Spoilers - 36:00Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:00:30Skip to Taglines - 1:03:04Skip to Special Thanks - 1:07:15 Skip to Outro - 1:11:25 Thanks @dgoebel00 (dustingoebel.com) for the sweet Pumpkinhead moment! Pumpkinhead can be found on Amazon and free on Hulu if you have Hulu right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJ8Teiv6YY Pumpkinhead Synopsis Pumpkinhead is the story of a group of young twenty-somethings who are headed out to a cabin in the woods. As far as I can tell this is supposed to be set in the south, which is difficult for me because what isn’t shot on a soundstage is very obviously locations in the hills of LA. This poster is a lie, he never touches a pumpkin! As our group of kids stops at a small local store for some supplies, the rowdiest of the group inexplicably hops on dirtbikes and starts riding around doing sweet tricks. The son of the store owner is fatally injured by one of these sweet tricks, and all but one of the kids head into the hills to avoid having murder pinned on them. Pumpkinhead Full MovieStream Pumpkinhead on AmazonClick here to Watch The owner of the shop returns and finds his child mortally wounded, so he seeks revenge the only way he knows how - he goes to see a witch to put a death curse on the kids who killed his son. Long story short, Pumpkinhead is summoned by the witch - he is a big ugly creepy looking ...pumpkinhead. He cuts a swath of revenge through the kids and anyone who gets in the way of his revenge.  Pumpkinhead Review Pumpkinhead (directed by Stan Winston) is a better than terrible slasher that has a great monster and a cult following of adults who were scarred in their childhood by this gruesome beast. As far as movie structure goes, it’s pretty clear what is going on at all times and why.  Unfortunately, it’s never interesting enough for me to care about anyone or anything. The lighting is intentionally on the pitch-black side of dark (to hide the costume), and the writing is barebones and interchangeable with any other crappy 80’s slasher. Here at Horror Movie Talk, we try to see things as they are, putting down the nostalgia glasses and looking at horror movies to compare them honestly. We won’t pander to you, or your childhood, and only minimally to our own (we hope). Pumpkinhead is a bad movie. What it brings to the table is an easy to understand storyline and a pretty great monster, along with a memorable name.  While you may remember this movie fondly, I think only the most die-hard horror snobs will go down with this ship to be seen as a “true horror fan”. My Score for Pumpkinhead 3/10 Pumpkinhead Spoilers This movie is about as barebones as you can get. I won’t go into astonishing detail because it doesn’t exist. A good looking couple At the start of the movie we get to see a flashback of Ed Harley as a little kid. His family is enjoying a nice evening in, and their neighbor comes to their door screaming about something hunting him. They decline to let in this neighbor and avoid being killed. Dirtbiking Gone Wrong! Cut to present day, and Ed (Lance Henriksen) has a kid of his own. Ed runs a local shop. Some rowdy twenty-somethings show up at Ed’s shop for some supplies, and the rowdiest of the bunch just can’t contain themselves – they MUST dirtbike NOW! While these ruffians are performing sweet tricks, Ed’s son is fatally wounded by dirtbike antics. All except one of the kids escape, Steve stays behind to look after Ed’s kid. Pumpkinhead is one of the most straightforward and simple movies I think I have ever seen. You know that motif of, “made for TV movie” that movies like Tremors have? Pumpkinhead has that same feeling. While it does hold a place as a cult classic, that doesn’t mean it’s good.

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Pumpkinhead sharing earbuds with Ed Harley
Thanks @dgoebel00 (dustingoebel.com) for the sweet Pumpkinhead moment!

Pumpkinhead can be found on Amazon and free on Hulu if you have Hulu right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJ8Teiv6YY

Pumpkinhead Synopsis

Pumpkinhead is the story of a group of young twenty-somethings who are headed out to a cabin in the woods. As far as I can tell this is supposed to be set in the south, which is difficult for me because what isn’t shot on a soundstage is very obviously locations in the hills of LA.

This poster is a lie, he never touches a pumpkin!

As our
group of kids stops at a small local store for some supplies, the rowdiest of
the group inexplicably hops on dirtbikes and starts riding around doing sweet
tricks. The son of the store owner is fatally injured by one of these sweet
tricks, and all but one of the kids head into the hills to avoid having murder
pinned on them.

Pumpkinhead Full Movie

Stream Pumpkinhead on Amazon

The owner
of the shop returns and finds his child mortally wounded, so he seeks revenge
the only way he knows how – he goes to see a witch to put a death curse on the
kids who killed his son.

Long story short, Pumpkinhead is summoned by the witch – he is a big ugly creepy looking …pumpkinhead. He cuts a swath of revenge through the kids and anyone who gets in the way of his revenge. 

Pumpkinhead Review

Pumpkinhead (directed by Stan Winston) is a better than terrible slasher that has a great monster and a cult following of adults who were scarred in their childhood by this gruesome beast. As far as movie structure goes, it’s pretty clear what is going on at all times and why. 

Unfortunately, it’s never interesting enough for me to care about anyone or anything. The lighting is intentionally on the pitch-black side of dark (to hide the costume), and the writing is barebones and interchangeable with any other crappy 80’s slasher.

Here at
Horror Movie Talk, we try to see things as they are, putting down the nostalgia
glasses and looking at horror movies to compare them honestly. We won’t pander
to you, or your childhood, and only minimally to our own (we hope). Pumpkinhead is a bad movie. What it brings to the table is an easy to understand
storyline and a pretty great monster, along with a memorable name. 

While you
may remember this movie fondly, I think only the most die-hard horror snobs
will go down with this ship to be seen as a “true horror fan”.

My Score for Pumpkinhead

3/10

Pumpkinhead Spoilers

This movie is about as barebones as you can get. I won’t go
into astonishing detail because it doesn’t exist.

A good looking couple

At the start of the movie we get to see a flashback of Ed
Harley as a little kid. His family is enjoying a nice evening in, and their
neighbor comes to their door screaming about something hunting him. They
decline to let in this neighbor and avoid being killed.

Dirtbiking Gone Wrong!

Cut to present day, and Ed (Lance Henriksen)
has a kid of his own. Ed runs a local shop. Some rowdy twenty-somethings show
up at Ed’s shop for some supplies, and the rowdiest of the bunch just can’t
contain themselves – they MUST dirtbike NOW!

While these ruffians are performing sweet tricks, Ed’s son
is fatally wounded by dirtbike antics. All except one of the kids escape, Steve
stays behind to look after Ed’s kid.

Revenge Via Witch Inspired Pumpkinhead

Ed heads over to the local witch, as you do when you are
seeking ultimate revenge on a pack of ruffians. She warns Ed that revenge comes
at a terrible price, but he is willing to accept the charges. She sends him out
to retrieve a dead body at the most insane graveyard ever.

The witch is so gross, she might as well be pumpkinhead

When He returns, she uses the blood oh his kid and him to
resurrect this dead body into, you guessed it, Pumpkinhead.

Pumpkinhead Does The Thing

At this point the kids are feeling remorseful for, you know,
murder – buts it’s too late. Pumpkinhead kills them. Yeah, it takes a while,
and yeah, it’s boring. Every time Pumpkinhead kills, Ed has visions of the kill
from within his own head, as though he also has a pumpkinhead…

The Twist

https://youtu.be/b2hhdMiOTOE

Ed decides he can’t stand watching Pumpkinhead’s rampage and
starts trying to stop him. He injures himself, and we see that Pumpkinhead is
injured at the same time inexplicably. Now we know Ed and Pumpkinhead are
linked. Ed tries to kill himself to end the spree, but ultimately Tracey kills
both Ed and Pumpkinhead.

Ed turning into Pumpkinhead
Ed is half man, half pumpkin

Final Recommendations

You may like this movie – that’s fine! Cult classics are
cult for a reason; they posses something that keeps people coming back. If you
haven’t seen this, don’t bother unless slashers are your bigtime jam, and even
then, probably don’t bother. If you dig crazy monsters, ok maybe. The real
reason to watch this is to say you have.

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Pumpkinhead is one of the most straightforward and simple movies I think I have ever seen. You know that motif of, “made for TV movie” that movies like Tremors have? Pumpkinhead has that same feeling. While it does hold a place as a cult classic, Pumpkinhead is one of the most straightforward and simple movies I think I have ever seen. You know that motif of, “made for TV movie” that movies like Tremors have? Pumpkinhead has that same feeling. While it does hold a place as a cult classic, that doesn't mean it's good.







* Skip to Intro - 0:23* Skip to Trailer - 8:08* Skip to Synopsis - 9:37* Skip to Review - 12:00* Skip to Score - 18:16 * Skip to Spoilers - 36:00* Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:00:30* Skip to Taglines - 1:03:04* Skip to Special Thanks - 1:07:15 * Skip to Outro - 1:11:25



Thanks @dgoebel00 (dustingoebel.com) for the sweet Pumpkinhead moment!



Pumpkinhead can be found on Amazon and free on Hulu if you have Hulu right now.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJ8Teiv6YY




Pumpkinhead Synopsis



Pumpkinhead is the story of a group of young twenty-somethings who are headed out to a cabin in the woods. As far as I can tell this is supposed to be set in the south, which is difficult for me because what isn’t shot on a soundstage is very obviously locations in the hills of LA.



This poster is a lie, he never touches a pumpkin!



As our
group of kids stops at a small local store for some supplies, the rowdiest of
the group inexplicably hops on dirtbikes and starts riding around doing sweet
tricks. The son of the store owner is fatally injured by one of these sweet
tricks, and all but one of the kids head into the hills to avoid having murder
pinned on them.





Pumpkinhead Full MovieStream Pumpkinhead on AmazonClick here to Watch











The owner
of the shop returns and finds his child mortally wounded, so he seeks revenge
the only way he knows how - he goes to see a witch to put a death curse on the
kids who killed his son.



Long story short, Pumpkinhead is summoned by the witch - he is a big ugly creepy looking ...pumpkinhead. He cuts a swath of revenge through the kids and anyone who gets in the way of his revenge. 



Pumpkinhead Review



Pumpkinhead (directed by Stan Winston) is a better than terrible slasher that has a great monster and a cult following of adults who were scarred in their childhood by this gruesome beast. As far as movie structure goes, it’s pretty clear what is going on at all times and why. 



Unfortunately, it’s never interesting enough for me to care about anyone or anything. The lighting is intentionally on the pitch-black side of dark (to hide the costume), and the writing is barebones and interchangeable with any other crappy 80’s slasher.



Here at
Horror Movie Talk, we try to see things as they are, putting down the nostalgia
glasses and looking at horror movies to compare them honestly. We won’t pander
to you, or your childhood, and only minimally to our own (we hope).]]>
Bryce Hanson and David Day yes 1:14:09
Halloween II (1981) Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/10/02/halloween-ii-1981-review/ Wed, 02 Oct 2019 07:01:29 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=3120 Halloween 2018 would have you believe that Halloween 2 never happened. But it did happen! We watched it. And we’re going to talk about it god damn it!  Skip to Intro - 1:03Skip to Trailer - 5:45Skip to Synopsis - 12:00Skip to Review - 12:35Skip to Score - 17:48 Skip to Spoilers - 26:18Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:16:28Skip to Attack of the Rotten Tomatoes Game - 1:19:20Skip to Outro - 1:32:47 Halloween II Poster Halloween 2 can be found on HBO Now/Go right now, but is also available to rent on Amazon or anywhere else that you do that type of thing. Here is the trailer: https://youtu.be/RCiuZ9MvdJs Halloween 2 (1981) Synopsis Halloween 2 picks up right where Halloween left off. Michael Myers disappears from the lawn after being shot by Dr. Loomis 6 times. Why do I remember it was six times you ask? Because Dr. Loomis reminds us every time he is on screen. Michael Myers continues killing the youth of Haddonfield in a deadly game of peekaboo with the audience. Now you see him, now you don’t. Wee!  Review of Halloween II This film tries to recapture the moody and dread filled allure of the first Halloween, but doesn’t ever really deliver. Most of the interesting parts of the original were leading up to the killing spree at night when the shape is stalking Laurie and her friends. In this movie, it’s just the third act of the first film the whole time. Efforts are made to tack on a story and motivation to fill out the slasher. Dr. Loomis babbles about the philosophical and historical nature of Michael’s evil, and there’s also a shocking revelation akin to Empire Strikes Back! Other than that, character development and plot is pretty thin in this movie. The only character we really care about is Laurie in this film, and she does nothing for most of it. However, if you enjoy kills, this film delivers them at the slow and steady pace of Michael Myers. Score of Halloween 2 (1981) 5/10 While not a resounding endorsement, it's more of a confirmation that this is an archetypal slasher. Halloween II (1981)Watch the full movie of Halloween 2Buy/Rent on Amazon Halloween II (1981) Spoilers Expand for Spoilers Loomis As previously mentioned, Dr. Loomis is really here just to spout off about how many times he shot Michael Myers and wax philisophical about the nature of Michael's evil. Did I mention the time I shot Michael Myers six times? A lot of his dialogue expanding the lore of the Halloween franchise. When the word Samhain is scrawled on the blackboard in blood, Dr. Loomis explains the significance. https://youtu.be/0PUCi1hJLlc Later on in the car with his colleague, he explains the festival of Samhain as a druid ritual involving human sacrifice. Mentions of witches and ghouls might be there to set up the expanded halloween universe we would only get to see in Halloween 3: Season of the Witch. The opening titles One of the coolest parts in the movie is the opening credits, the jack-o-lantern opening up into a skull will probably haunt my nightmares. Boo! The first part of the movie subverts expectations quite a bit. The first opportunity that Michael Myers has to kill someone is an elderly couple, but he ends up walking away with their knife and murders a teenage girl instead. Also early on, there is a fake out death of "Michael Myers" that later is found out to be just some random kid. Of course we killed the killer in the first 20 mins... The Hospital The bulk of Halloween 2 (1981) takes place in a hospital. From the looks of it, an abandoned hospital. However, this doesn't keep the skeleton crew of seven of so doctors and nurses from being there. I mispoke. Doctor. There was one doctor in the entire hospital. A drunk doctor. How many reasons do you need to move away from Haddonfield? Deaths in Halloween II (1981) As with any slasher, there are several interesting deaths: Halloween 2018 would have you believe that Halloween 2 never happened. But it did happen! We watched it. And we’re going to talk about it god damn it! 

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Halloween II Poster

Halloween 2 can be found on HBO Now/Go right now, but is also available to rent on Amazon or anywhere else that you do that type of thing. Here is the trailer:

https://youtu.be/RCiuZ9MvdJs

Halloween 2 (1981) Synopsis

Halloween 2 picks up right where Halloween left off. Michael Myers disappears from the lawn after being shot by Dr. Loomis 6 times. Why do I remember it was six times you ask? Because Dr. Loomis reminds us every time he is on screen. Michael Myers continues killing the youth of Haddonfield in a deadly game of peekaboo with the audience. Now you see him, now you don’t. Wee! 

Review of Halloween II

This film tries to recapture the moody and dread filled allure of the first Halloween, but doesn’t ever really deliver. Most of the interesting parts of the original were leading up to the killing spree at night when the shape is stalking Laurie and her friends. In this movie, it’s just the third act of the first film the whole time. Efforts are made to tack on a story and motivation to fill out the slasher. Dr. Loomis babbles about the philosophical and historical nature of Michael’s evil, and there’s also a shocking revelation akin to Empire Strikes Back! Other than that, character development and plot is pretty thin in this movie. The only character we really care about is Laurie in this film, and she does nothing for most of it. However, if you enjoy kills, this film delivers them at the slow and steady pace of Michael Myers.

Score of Halloween 2 (1981)

5/10

While not a resounding endorsement, it’s more of a confirmation that this is an archetypal slasher.

Halloween II (1981)

Watch the full movie of Halloween 2

Halloween II (1981) Spoilers

Expand for Spoilers

Loomis

As previously mentioned, Dr. Loomis is really here just to spout off about how many times he shot Michael Myers and wax philisophical about the nature of Michael’s evil.

Dr. Loomis in Halloween II
Did I mention the time I shot Michael Myers six times?

A lot of his dialogue expanding the lore of the Halloween franchise. When the word Samhain is scrawled on the blackboard in blood, Dr. Loomis explains the significance.

https://youtu.be/0PUCi1hJLlc

Later on in the car with his colleague, he explains the festival of Samhain as a druid ritual involving human sacrifice. Mentions of witches and ghouls might be there to set up the expanded halloween universe we would only get to see in Halloween 3: Season of the Witch.

The opening titles

One of the coolest parts in the movie is the opening credits, the jack-o-lantern opening up into a skull will probably haunt my nightmares.

Halloween 2 Jackolantern
Boo!

The first part of the movie subverts expectations quite a bit. The first opportunity that Michael Myers has to kill someone is an elderly couple, but he ends up walking away with their knife and murders a teenage girl instead.

Also early on, there is a fake out death of “Michael Myers” that later is found out to be just some random kid.

Michael Myers death fakeout halloween II 1981
Of course we killed the killer in the first 20 mins…

The Hospital

The bulk of Halloween 2 (1981) takes place in a hospital. From the looks of it, an abandoned hospital. However, this doesn’t keep the skeleton crew of seven of so doctors and nurses from being there.

I mispoke. Doctor. There was one doctor in the entire hospital. A drunk doctor.

How many reasons do you need to move away from Haddonfield?

Deaths in Halloween II (1981)

As with any slasher, there are several interesting deaths:

  • Death by claw hammer
  • Death by boiling someones head
  • Death by scalpel
  • Death by needle in the eye
  • Good old fashioned knife-stabbing
  • Being Blowed up

Pacing

The pacing of the Halloween movies feel really slow compared to modern horror movies, but it does a good job of keeping your attention. This is done mostly from the novelty of the kills, and certainly not from character development.

Laurie Strode is Michael’s Sister

Laurie is in this movie, but only is in scenes for about 20 minutes of the run time.

Her main purpose, other than continuity, is to lend her character to the films most shocking spoiler: Laurie Strode is Michael Myers’ sister.

Yeah. Meh.

This came a year after Empire Strikes Back, so the cynical part of me says that they were just ripping off the idea. But the idea was easily retconned in later films. In fact the 2018 Halloween completely disregards this film.

The Ending of Halloween II

There is a final standoff between Michael, Laurie, and Dr. Loomis. Laurie ends up blinding Michael by shooting him in the eyes. This results in the iconic image of blood tears coming down Michael’s mask.

Blood tears on Michael Myers' mask in Halloween 2

In the end, Michael gets blown up by a kamikaze attack by Dr. Loomis.

Michael Myers death in Halloween II

We see Michael burning to a crisp laying motionless on the floor for several minutes. The film goes to great lengths to communicate finality. However, nothing resurrects villains better than earning potential. Michael Myers and even Dr. Loomis star in many of the later Halloween films.

Final Recommendations

As previously stated, if you are a fan of slashers, this is a must see. It is an archetype of a classic slasher. Thin on story, but thick on kills. It’s an excellent follow up to the original Halloween.

Transcript for Horror Movie Talk Episode 65: Halloween 2 (1981) Review

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Goto multi mental mortgage dot com slash hmt Equal housing lender Licensed in all 50 states. A. M M. L s Consumer access orig number 69 69 Hello and welcome to horror movie talk and opinionated and accidentally funny Horror Movie review. Show your panel of expert hosts each week are Dr Bryce Hansen, who holds a phD in spook ology, and Professor David Day, the foremost expert in Scare No nose. New theatrical releases always get priority, but we also review older horror movies both good and whole. Horrible. Uh, whoa ho is like a do cadi or something. What were you just now? And I’m David Day Welcome. Welcome to our little show. Check us out at our website horror movie talk dot com. There you’ll find links dollar, social Media and past episodes and our blog’s on or movie topics. We’ll talk about our latest blog’s coming up, You should know, and we want you to know that we post every Wednesday So please subscribe And, more importantly, leave a rating if you like us. 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We’ve got a great show. Great. Fucking fuck. It was really It’s a really good show. Once we edit it today to kick off, October will be talking about Halloween. Two more like Halloween. Boo. Thesis is the 1982 Halloween to not to be confused with the Rob Zombie 2009 Halloween, too. Yeah, I believe so. So every episode we start out by giving a brief review and our score for the movie. We score on a scale of 1 to 10 1 being a miserable dredge where it makes you angry. Five being a completely average film that hits all the expected marks and 10 being so good that it transcends genre boundaries after we give our score will get into spoilers and take a deeper dive into what we liked and hated about the film. And then later we’re gonna play a game called Attack of the Rotten Tomatoes game. Oh, Lila. And this is a themed one. It’s going to be Halloween versus Nightmare on Elm Street. Oh, we’re gonna pit the two franchises franchises together and you have to pick which one scored higher on run tomatoes. Yeah, Okay, that’s cool. I I actually that’s that’s it. Use that nightmare on Elm Street. I I just got done a now hour ago. I just got done watching. Ah, nightmare on Elm Street. Three Dream Warrior An hour ago Way started watching it last night, and then we fell asleep. So Okay, picked it back up in the morning. You say you got up like five in the morning. That’s right watching We’re committed to horror movies here. Horror movie talk. That’s right. Just 24 7 were watching horror movies. Even though we only review one a week, It’s It is October. We? It’s time to start watching horror movies 24 hours a day. I don’t know. A few people know this, but that’s what we do in October. All right, well, let’s get into the movie. Halloween 2008 would have you believe that Halloween to never happen. But it did happen. We watched it and we’re gonna talk about it. God damn it. Yeah, Here is the trailer. I shot him six times. I am not Universal Pictures. Presents Halloween. Two more of the night he came home way. There was nothing within him, neither conscious. No reason that wasn’t even remotely human. Some kind of a joke. I’ve been figured treated a depth tonight way. Tell Mr Garrett we’re having trouble with. There is no place to hide. He will always find you. It’s a Celtic word Remains the Lord of the Dead Weight. We’re still here. We’ll be with you. Wait. Two more of the night e came home. What? Halloween. To Maura of that type of thing. Okay. A trailer was rid Ebru. Ridiculous. It was absolutely absurd. And the audio, I mean, yeah, it’s probably a lot more effective actually. Watching it, I would assume there’s just a lot of shots going off. Well, Pau, Pau, Pau, Pau Pau will provide the the link to the YouTube. Speaking of the of the trailer on the post in the episode notes. Speaking of shots going off, I gotta warn you, Bryce, I’m awfully gassy this morning, and it is it is a totally different brand. Last night, my wife was remarked is saying, I’ve never smelled that out of you before. I hate it. So we’re just gonna play a game? Yeah. I mean, we were We were talking about this yesterday on steam. Check on in Really steamed check. Real steaming hot steam chat. Uh, yeah, both me and David are experiencing a weird digestive moment. I won’t go too far into it, but just to let you know, it’s it’s no wonder we don’t wantto time offend the delicate sensibilities of of our audience. But we have some very beautiful female listeners. Yeah, that I just don’t want to upset, but we’ve been taking some hot shits. I like really hot. Like like shitting stomach acid burn. Okay, let’s just let’s just dial it back. And so telling David how it felt like my anise was being digested. All right, thank you very much. This disturbed David. It’s not That disturbs me. It’s just that I don’t I’m just not interested. Just does not want a picture. My acid swollen. Yeah, well, there it is for everyone. We you know, I don’t complimenting our listeners and how beautiful some of the some of the ladies are. I’m sure we got beautiful Mente love this shit. I’m sure we got a really beautiful men to, uh, wait, Magnus, That’s that’s for damn sure. Where was he from? Sweden. Yeah, Swedish god of a man. And for some reason, he likes the show. I don’t know what we did. I think we should We should do everything in our power to make Magnus a, uh, an Internet celebrity. Uh, I don’t think it’ll be that hard. It’s not that much of a stretch, you know, it’s just some guy in Sweden. Pretty much anyone in Sweden could probably become an Internet celebrity if they hosted some videos and deal with this place. Why is everyone so beautiful? I don’t know. Howling too. I mean, I got a bunch of Norwegian blood and I look like this, So Yeah, something about I am cold, I guess. All right. Halloween to ah, hello into Could be found on HBO now slash Go. Right now. HBO Now. Now, um, which is unfortunate because I just canceled my subscription last week. I did notice that. And, uh, so we had to rent it. And it’s on never Where else? Where you do that type of thing? Yeah, it’s just not on Amazon, but it is on YouTube. No, it’s on Amazon to rent. I don’t I don’t think it is because Amazon We watched it. Really? It refers me it z It basically tells me, Hey, you got a go ahead and subscribe to HBO. Go. If you want to watch this movie is what it says. There’s a couple options you could subscribe to HBO go or rent it or buy it. That’s weird that it doesn’t even offer me the option. Amazon is weird because it’ll have duplicate listing right of the same movie, weirdly inconsistent, and sometimes it’s free. And then you can find another version that’s not free is really annoying. So, uh, going to picks up right? Where? Halloween. The 1st 1 left off. Um, like, literally minutes after the first of the three movies called Halloween, Right. This is the sequel of Alan. Um, Michael Myers disappears from the lawn after being shot by Dr Loomis six times. Why do I remember it with six times? You ask? Because Dr Loomis remind you every time he’s on screen that he shot him six times in the chest. Michael Myers continues killing the youth of Haddonfield in a deadly game of peek a boo with the audience. Now you see him now you, don’t. We? This film tries to recapture the moody and dread filled a Lear of the first Halloween, but doesn’t really deliver Doesn’t ever really deliver. I don’t think All right. So gassy. Jesus. Get me a real rough. Don’t wave it toward. You’re gonna don’t wait. If you’re me like loud descriptions of your butt, I’m gonna wave Wow! God! Oh, bad Describe it, isn’t it? Isn’t it unique? I’m stopping breathing, man immediately. Isn’t it unique? It’s gonna sweet describe it for the pod and taste it for the pod. Do it. Well, it smells like shit. So there’s that. Okay, um, but most of the interesting parts of the original were leading up to the killing spree at night when the shape is stalking Lori and her friends in this movie, it’s just the third act of the first film. The whole time efforts were made to tack on a story and motivation to fill out the slasher. Dr. Loomis babbles about philosophical and has about the philosophical and historical nature of Michael’s evil. And there’s also a shocking revelation akin to Empire Strikes Back that will get into in the spoilers. I’m sure other than that character development and plot is pretty thin in this movie. The only character we really care about is Laurie, and she does nothing for most of it. She’s only in, like, 25 minutes of it. Really? Yeah, yeah, I guess. I guess that seems about right. We could do get a lot of those ah e m t guys and their girlfriends, their nurses, a nurse, lots of disposable hospital staff, and, uh, Anyways, however, if you enjoy kills, this film delivers them at the slow and steady pace of Michael Myers. Yeah, this movie, man, Um, really know what to think about it? I I have remarked several times at this point. Now, just just remember, everybody’s different. Everybody likes different things, So just hold on to your butts. I just don’t I just don’t get Halloween. I just don’t get it. Like I get Friday the 13th. I get a nightmare on Elm Street. I really get child’s play, but I just I just don’t get Halloween. I don’t get what the allure of Michael Myers is. I get. I get Halloween one. I don’t get the rest of Yeah, sure, right? Yeah, that’s yes. Michael Myers is like a blank slate of Ah, villain. I mean, I guess so is Jason. I mean, I don’t even get Friday the 13th that much So So with So with Jason, he was made fun of, and then he was killed at camp, you know, and so he’s got a revenge thing going, So he’s dead. He’s huge. He’s got OK. He’s got the awesome looking hockey mess, which is kind of just bad at you know, it reaches for the bad ass. Sorry. You know, I got a big machete. You got a hockey mask. There’s just a bad ass component to that Mike Myers. He got a little steak knife and he’s got, ah, Captain Kirk mask on. And yeah, he’s very stoic, but he has. No, he has, as far as I can tell, his only motivation. And this is what a lot of people love about him is that he’s just a murderous psychopath like That’s it. There’s nothing more. But that’s so boring to me. And Freddy is so cool. I mean, you just can’t be Freddie for cool, you know, in terms of in terms of shit that happens in in the movie, like so many things are possible when when your medium is dreams. Yeah, I mean, Michael Myers is It’s a different thing. It’s more of like a concept. It’s kind of like it where it’s Penny wise is the the personification of beer. Yeah, Michael Myers is kind of the personification of just pure evil and red. Yeah, just inevitable death. But by simplifying it to that extent, it loses it for me. But so that’s just my opinion. I mean, that’s like, I think that’s the allure of Mike Michael Myers is that and it does it better in the first film of showing that it’s like this faceless being in. Yeah, it does not betray any motivation at all. It’s just he’s there, you know he’s gonna do something. What’s doing there? What was he doing there? What’s he doing behind those sheets is standing. My, he’s There was a lot of shrubbery play in the 1st 1 is a lot of him standing behind next to behind around trouble. Yeah, Like I said, it’s It’s a deadly game of peekaboo, deadly deadly game anyways. Ah, my score for this film. I thought it was perfectly average. I did not particularly like it. I didn’t particularly hate it. I watched it. I get it. It’s Ah, five out of 55 out of 10 for me. Sorry. Yeah. Um, yeah, I’m gonna I Yeah, I mean, I think I give it maybe a six because it was somewhat more entertaining than ah, lot of the films I’ve raided a five. Um, there was some nice boob ege. Very nice, and not that that puts it over one whole point. I’m just saying I’m just saying it does kind. I’m just going down the list here. But I mean it in that it was literally the third act of the first movie the whole way through. It did a admirable job of doing exactly that, right? It was the third act for an hour and 1\/2 right? It’s interesting. What? How? They tried. Thio tried to expand it. Yeah, Yeah, it it felt a little stretched, but yeah, but so, yeah, if I have finally attend for me, uh, if you could just bring your energy down. Looks like one Scotia way. We’re talking about a nightmare on film Street and and how successful they are, which is another podcast. Let me Don’t listen to them. No, don’t. I know you can listen to both. There’s room enough for us in them. Yeah, I think I think anyone listen to this has probably come across Nightmare on Film Street. But again, as I’ve talked about before, the one thing that we don’t have that other really successful horror movie review podcasts have is that while number one they have a woman, they have the female perspective. But, um, the two most successful ones to me are dead meat and nightmare on Film Street, which both feature very young, very, very good looking like core scene looking couples that are very high energy and and work well on YouTube. And ah, we’re not that. And I’m not I wouldn’t describe Mia’s high energy. Well, I mean, but here’s the thing, though, is, um I mean, you’re right, especially especially when it’s something like this, where I just like, yeah, I don’t care that much. Like I think other you know, entertainers, people trying to entertain people with the podcast or probably injecting a lot of energy and excitement about the film throughout. Yeah, just finding the sunny side of watching this film. Yeah, but I feel like I don’t know. Ah, a lot of my energy. And this is why I had to start the positive. A cask Segway. Ah, lot of my energy I get from being angry, you know, right and and I’m good at it. I’m like there’s no one better at being angry or spiteful than May. And so when a movie wastes my time, I feel like you do make up that energy. The worst thing that you can be if you’re looking for a lot of energy out of me is average right, Which this film is. It’s just super average. And you’re not gonna get much. They’re just not fucking anything. Really? Okay, Cool. Yeah, like whatever. I mean, you if you just say it’s a slasher, like you understand the whole the entirety of this movie. Yeah, This movie is ah, high quality, early version of the very trimmed up, well put together slasher. This is you know, this is this is a blockbuster slasher movie, and it’s one of very first ones. Yeah. Um okay, well, let’s Ah, talk briefly about how you guys can help out horror movie talk and probably help out yourself. First of all, let’s talk about her. Patri on. I’m just going to say that we have new tears coming soon because I think that it might be changed by this episode. Release problem like on the cusp of releasing some new tears. So we might be talking about that next episode, but check it out on patri on, you’ll get access to exclusive content and ah, little perks for our patrons and we love you. And thank you for becoming a patron to those that are are a horror movie top founding members, members member, all nine of them. 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So it is the Halloween season. I don’t know if you’ve heard, but October’s Halloween month it’s not just the last day. Oh, yeah, that’s right. It’s Halloween month. And so what we do on Halloween month, we just stream horror movies. And what’s the best way to do that? Head on over to shutter, that’s S H U D g e r dot com And check out all of the amazing streaming, the huge list of streaming shit that they have all about surrounding horror. And, ah, and to give you some of that list. Here we go. Bryce is holding his nose because he doesn’t like the smell of my farts. So we got creep Show, which is a show, a new original show based on the George Romero movie creep show. It’s a shutter original Siri’s. We also have Korean horror movie The Wailing We Got VHS to the Changeling, which I believe you viewed and said it was me. We got terrified, which is one of my very favorite recent terror fists, and we have an episode on that. If you check out our past episodes, yes, we? D’oh! Also, we got the original Halloween is available on Shuter Hollowing for the return of Mike Myers have going five The Revenge of Mike Myers Re animator Hell Raiser We got a ton of queer horror titles If that’s your jam we got Texas Chainsaw Massacre Demons by our addario are Gento demons to black Christmas Shutter Exclusive Phantasm remastered That’s the original Phantasm remastered. And then we got Henry Portrait of a Serial killer which we didn’t episode on and have not released yet Knighted Living dead Couso which is amazing fart movie traders The new binge puppetmaster little list, right, Mandy Summer of 84 It’s all on shutter, so enter HMT it check out and you can get the whole month free. Do it. Um, who was the other thing? Also, they’ve got, like, a really cool original content. I mean, creep shows original, but also, I’ve watched several things that they’ve put out. They’ve got, like, the Joe Bob Briggs. So yeah, the drive in Joe Bob Briggs at the drive in. And they also have a really cool doc on Ah, black horror movies. Yeah, you are. Orin. Worry should check that out he was. Yeah. Shudder. So patri on Amazon and shudder. If you wantto support the show or if you just wanna mail me a check, I’ll receive that. Yeah, well, that would do. We do cash checks, money orders. All right, let’s get into spoilers. Spoiler section. All right, you That was David, but it was not. That is a lie. All right, so, um, Halloween, too. He just He just looks at me, blinks once and then says Halloween too. And then, like, he kind of goes off into another place where he doesn’t have to think about how Going to too much So, yeah, Halloween too. Likely said, it’s It’s just an extension of the first movie. Um, but the hospital. Bryce. How could it be an extension in the first movie if it’s in the hospital lately? Different. Um, what this movie features is lots of Michael Myers slow walking towards people and people not figuring out how to get away from him and also him surprising people by stabbing number, you know, murdering them. The There was a few moments in this movie where I where I was frustrated with Michael. Well, there’s sped up a little bit you could have. You could have had her. Anjali, you’re capable of moving a little faster. Well, now that he was shot six times the least in the heart, so s so it’s got that happening. And then the rest of the movie is Shoot is a showing, Dr Loomis, just spitting knowledge. And, like, philosophical on esoteric stuff about the nature of evil on Michael Myers in its It feels so tacked on. But that that was true in the first movie as well. Yeah. So if you like that in the first movie that he’s got plenty of it here. So it’s It’s funny. See them like Jax Jax Epazote juxtaposed. Jessica disposed until, like, just normal people so relevant. The first element prevail in the first guy that comes out toxins like What’s going on? Uh, trick or treated to death tonight? You know what death is? I’ve been trick or treated to death tonight. You don’t know what death is. All right, guys like load. And if you were that neighbor who’s like Are you serious? I’ve been trick or treated to death tonight. And then the guy responded. You don’t know what death is be like, Okay. Thank fuck you, buddy. Get off my lawn. All right, asshole. Get out of here. I’ll go find someone else to talk to is obviously a trick or treat. This is obviously a treat. This is This is like the version of Lake, um C s I Miami. Uh, David Carradine. When he’s like, I guess he was trick or treated to death. Except now and then I guess he was trick or treated to death. Yeah, he made the motion to put his glasses down. So instead of the who going Oh, you got you got a good old John Carpenter. Been trick or treated to death tonight. You don’t know what death is. Just picture Dr Loomis putting down some shades after he says that. Um, probably the coolest part of this movie is the intro. Yeah, the credits. The jack o lantern with the skull inside is really cool looking. Um, yeah. I’ll tell you what the Halloween movies air really good for is inspiring other better. Uh uh, No, but yes. Also know is inspiring Cool, vintage jackal and turn carvings. Because I last Halloween, I had a blast mimicking the the Halloween from the movie poster Jack o lantern. That’s on the movie poster. You know what? The big sharp knives for teeth? That was a fun want to do, and this one has. And then they have, like, one in the credits. They have, like jack lanterns, that air just kind of there. There’s something like very child like a child. Cut this, but also like a little off and sinister, which is great for Pump it. Um, there’s a couple of times in this film that it subverts your expectations. I mean, that’s just part of the slasher genre. The 1st 1 comes when Michael Myers goes into these old people’s house and you’re thinking, Oh, there’s gonna be the first kill old people, old people gonna die. Nope, he just takes This is what his notes say. They say there’s a way I read. Um uh oh. Old people gonne die. Nope. Eyes literally. What? I have written down People gonne die. Nope. So he doesn’t kill the old people. But then he finds another house with a young team. This is gonna be the goofiest episode ever. Uh, yeah, I’m a little punch drunk. Maybe. How late did you stay up? Was upto like 1 20 What’s the matter with you? What do you do? These things was you know, I gotta do it for the pod, man. You can you get all week I’ve got of things. E have lots of things at night. Um, Okay, so, yeah, there’s there’s some killings and then the bulk of this movie takes place in the hospital and Laurie strode. Jamie Lee Curtis’s character has taken to the hospital or were introduced to the handful of staff in this giant hospital. Like seven people work at this hospital tonight, and I don’t know. It’s like a 200 room hospital. It feels like it feels huge. I can’t imagine how big a hospital in rural in Illinois in the seventies or eighties Waas. You know, Illinois. I thought it was New Jersey. Haddonfield, Illinois field. I know you’re thinking a camp Crystal Lake is in New Jersey. All right. Um, so, yeah, it takes place in this hospital and, like, there’s a lot of just observations you can make about this hospital. Maybe I’ll save some of it for later. But, um, one of the important things is that There’s only one doctor. Yeah, and he’s a drunk, apparently. Well, just came from a party and his like Mm hm. Let me, um, give you a shot. He’s got a steady hand. I mean, right for a drunk doctor is a pretty steady hand, but Laurie is begging them not to put her to sleep. And of course they dio. But it doesn’t amount to anything. Yeah, I don’t know why they would need to put her to sleep. She doesn’t go into surgery or anything. Just has, like, establish. Yeah, they knock her out with, like, general anesthesia. And then what? Like they give her some stitches? It’s like, Wow, that’s a little a little intense. So lots of lots of stuff happens in this movie that happens in slasher genre movies, which is just nonsensical plot points, just like now she’s asleep. Oh, but now she’s running away because the killer’s after an it makes it adds tension or something like that I’m stuck in, is stuck in this door that’s closing and better take off my shirt. Bring out the sweater puppies. Um, so they’re the first part of the movie. They’re kind of hunting down Michael Myers. And there is a fake out, which is one of the most obvious fake outs because it’s within the 1st 10 minutes of the film. Those cop cars is great, like pins. Some soap in it. Well, it pins Michael Myers between her house car in the van and explodes into a ball of fire. And you’re like, Well, there we go, We got him. We have a first, uh, Loomis’s like he’s he’s getting ready to shoot this kid that he sees wearing a wearing the same mask Michael has. And there’s a big struggle over over trying him trying to shoot this kid. And I thought that was pretty funny. And then, yeah, And then instead, he’s saved from having to shoot the kid by a police officer who turns this child into a fireball. It’s great, basically probably chopped the kid in half between the cop car and Savannah that he hit. Yeah, like going like 40 miles per hour down like a residential street. It was an insane explosion that would not have happened, and then just immediately the bodies like burning up to a crisp. And so it’s like, I mean, is there anyone that’s going to think that that’s actually Michael Myers. They all did, because movie, who would end up being just some teenager with the same mask? Also featured in this movie is lots of first person camera work showing Michael creeping about mostly in the first part of the movie. They don’t do it as much later on, but they try toe to bring in the elements that worked in the first movie. Most of the first act of this film fills in the audience with the main plot points of the first film. Mainly that Michael Myers killed his sister when he was a young child and has been in a mental institution for his whole life. And then yeah, like, 10 or 12 years, something like that. Yeah. And ah, he recently escaped and had a murder spree, and Laurie Strode was at the center of it at the center of it. But why do we know why my he’s so fix it in on Laurie? Well, I’ll tell you, this is the spoiler section, right? Well, get ready for the biggest spoiler of Halloween too. Glory strewn his Michael Myers sister. Wait. Is she Are you seriously didn’t catch that. No. Oh, my God. Are you serious? Yeah, I remember them at toward the end. Being like sister, sister, sister. It’s to a twister, but I don’t. Ah. I don’t remember exactly how this it was really quick. Well, there, first of all, that wasn’t actually quick, because are you just trying to make me feel better or is this theirs too quick parts? And there is one where, um, it shows Laurie. And she’s remembering a moment from the past where she’s visiting some kid in the hospital. Yeah, and I mean, it’s pretty obvious at that point that, like, she at least have some sort of relationship with Michael Myers when she was younger. Okay, whatever. The kid isn’t a you know? Yeah. Hospitalized, Sure. And then later, briefly in the car when the doctor or nurse came back to get Dr Loomis toe because the governor apparently told him that he needs to go back to the mental institution for for I don’t know why I like we don’t want anyone from the hospital there in Haddonfield, because reasons so they come and come and get him. And in the car, she’s like there’s there’s something that you need to know. There’s a file that was hidden away because his parents didn’t want. I want people to know we should have told you. You know, this this doctor that’s been on Michael Myers this case for 15 years or whatever and ah, then she said, Laurie Strode is Michael Myers is sister okay? And then he’s like, Well, that’s why he’s here. He wants to finish her off because he killed his other sister and now he needs to kill. This is so in a way, it actually makes sense. Like I get it. I like it. It works, but also in the interest in the barest possible sense. It gives Michael Myers at least a reason to be going after this particular girl so hard. Um, but also it feels super tacked on. And this is a year after Empire strikes back. So it’s not too subtle of a rip off of, like, shocking reveal his family, a member of family relationship. Okay between the villain and the protagonist, I get where, where that that connection is now. Yeah, I didn’t even fucking catch that. You didn’t. That’s like the whole I didn’t even catching about this movie. I mean, it’s it’s weird what we latch on to write, because I could get so much meaning out of movies where there is apparently no meaning it off. This is true, and, ah, and yet there’s very important. It really speaks to the fact that is not an interesting movie. Like, I felt like I could go on autopilot for most of it, and I did so Basically, this movie was supposed to be the end of the story, so it was supposed to be like a self contained, too movie set to and done, and they’re going to do more Halloween movies. That was different topics so harrowing. Three was actually you know, Season of the Witch had nothing to do with Michael Myers. Michael Myers was dead, right? Right. And that’s kind of a trope In the spring, we said, no matter how much you kill Michael Myers at the end of these movies like, yeah, he’s still gonna come back. And that’s common among slashers. Yeah, but so John Carpenter was going to do like a which based one, and then after that one, he was gonna do a ghost based one. And there’s all gonna happen on the day of Halloween, Right? That was gonna be the through line. It was gonna be more of an anthology kind of thing, right? Right, Right. Halloween three did not work out, even though apparently is a better movie from this one? Yes. So I’ve heard we have a blogged. Keith wrote a blogged about it about how season of the witch was basically not given its due. Yeah, and just Ah, financially, it was a failure. And so they decided, make the Supreme Creator decision to be like, Well, let’s just bring back Michael Myers because that’s what people actually and they have ever since. I mean, it’s they should have done whatever, but But this was supposed to be like the last film. And then they have you know, nine other films just enter this. No, I guess there’s eight other films after this, But even in this Siri’s in this timeline before to rebooted, I think there’s feel more so Wow, this idea that Laurie is his sister, I think, is common among most of them. They play really loose with, like Theo timeline for Halloween because the the reboot. All the soft reboot in 2018 completely disregards this film, right? Like because it’s very problematic toe. Have Lori be his sister. They just have to read con that out or just ignore it and just say, Never mind. None of those movies happen, right? Let’s start again. So anyways, but that’s that’s an important point in this movie. Glad you’re paying attention, David. Like you don’t miss that. Yeah, I missed nothing. Um, okay. So lots of horror movie tropes in this movie, first of which, I mean, other than just Carol killer, Um, that unstoppable. What? What are some of the troops you see in this movie? So there’s the phone lines that get cut immediately. So, uh, the killer knows this place like the back of his hand. Uh, he’s he’s ah, he’s so familiar with the hospital that he’s able to find and disconnect the phone line, Uh, before anything else happens in this room. And then, um, the incompetent security guard. That’s got to be a trope, right? The, um yeah, I was gonna say the in terms of horror movies, sex at work. Slashers would be a lot less scary if people were actually competent at their jobs. Yeah, yeah. If this guy wasn’t a gigantic bumbling, you know, 50 year old, because the security guards like here, take this. I’m gonna talking on the radio on the girl that he hands it to, like, you know, some 18 year old several. She’s like, I don’t know how to use. And then he’s gone. It’s like I got to check this thing out. You got my back with this radio. She’s like, how does it just leaves walks out? Um, this is like that. That cop and, uh, in health test or he’s like, Yeah, you’re the guy attacked you. But But what am I supposed to do about it? What am I supposed to do that? Yeah. There’s lots of people in masks here. Check out our view of health test about this time last year. Fabulous slasher. Um, so the the one notable thing is that the pacing is ah lot slower in this film. So seventies early eighties slashers are noticeably slower with even even Michael Myers just walking like we’ve already said, Who’s he’s the slowest villain. He’s by far the slowest, and, ah, and you know eyes. But interestingly, you know, like Texas Chainsaw Massacre before I believe the original Halloween. Uh, yeah, for sure. And faster paced. A CZ far is, Ah, lot of different things. It’s a It’s just a much more disturbing overall premise to May. Yeah, there’s like a combination of liking the ah cinema verite, a kind of stuff from the seventies where it’s trying to be a little more realistic, a little more normal paste. And so it’s. It’s noticeable in this movie that a lot of time, it’s just really quiet. There’s literally just nothing going on. It’s a person standing there for a couple seconds before making a motion or doing something and yeah, its silence. And then, like a little alarm bell goes off or something. What did you call it? Cinema verite? A. What’s that? It’s like very today is like truth or something. So it’s like truth on film. It’s like a way to it. It is a style I a style. It’s just, like, kind of a feel, like a lot of movies in the seventies, like it got, uh, very just it got out of the way in terms of like, lots of cuts. There were longer takes more silence in the dialogue, just more time to let everything breathe. And so that’s definitely something that’s very obvious in at, particularly in the first Halloween. Yeah, so that’s that’s kind of noticeable. If you’re a fan of recent horror movies like you’re gonna be like, yeah, even even the sound is a lot more subtle, like the jump scares. Like it’s not like, really, really loud. So I just kind of like, Well, yeah, the cat one cat one The cat jumps scaring this worked on me by the really Oh, my God. Oh my gosh, I was like Because Because normally, like, ah, Halloween movie is not going to throw a big jump scare at you like, especially in early one. Yeah, I see. I wrote down slow us jump scare ever because it just felt so I’m used to be. I’m used to being hit over the head with it now, especially with, like the conjuring movies and modern jump scare like factories of movies like they have a formula where it’s, you know, quiet, precise and effective, like dread filled music. And then, yeah, yeah, a big, loud sound So you is that this was literally just a guy looking in the dumpster and then account going. I was like, No kitty, Bad kitty. Oh, Speaking of which, bad kitty, my cat brought a live mouse into our house and dropped it on the floor and watched it run away like you fucking bitch. Like I tried to smash it. But it it Ah, it escaped my smash. And, uh, and then I like I It’s just a baby mouse. And look, I know how you’re feeling, Pita. I know you’re out there. I know you’re coming for me, but there’s a mouse in my house and this mouse is turning my house upside down. I see it under the couch like I get up in the morning. It doesn’t know where it is. It’s an outside mouse. It’s like, What the fuck is going on? It’s a baby kind of. And it’s s o. I chasing around and open the door and try to shoot it out. If I can, I’ll smash it. But really, I just hope it runs away so I don’t have to take its life. Did I ever tell you my great white hunter story? know what? Thistles. What? I turned my great white hunters story. Okay, like your Moby Dick move. I’ve gotta I’ve gotta paint a picture here. Um, so, yeah, we had a mouse in the house every once a while, our house would get a mouse that would come in through kind of either. Like, there’s this of this event or something, but it would get through close to where my parents, garbage disposal or the trash compactor was and get into the trash compactor and scurry around in there, and we’d always have cats, and so they usually take care of him. But this one mouse was in our living room, and I noticed it, and I could see it was kind of trapped. It couldn’t, Uh, all I could do is, like, go behind the couch is like it was a sunk down like a step down. Yeah, it was like a tiny, tiny mouse like you’re talking about. So it probably could have jumped out, but it was It was kind of going around the same path. And then I realized that recently I had purchased something. A blowgun up. Logan. Oh, yeah. I never told you this story. I think I think this is starting to become more familiar. So it’s like Bruce Willis and Pulp Fiction when he spots The samurai sword was like the blowgun and, like, blow guns air. Not very useful. It’s kind of fun for like, 10 minutes. You’ve got, like, you put a needle into a tree. Yeah, and you got, like, a little target or whatever, but then it’s got all these acute trauma where you can you can buy the needles that’ll take down like a squirrel. You by a needle that could take down, like something a little bigger, maybe like a bunny or something, the different tips and stuff. So I had, you know, just the normal Neil tips. And then there was one that was, like, just kind of had a flare on it at the tip, like like a like a metal flare. It was like someone hammered it. Okay, Yeah. Yeah. And so it does a little more damage if it goes in. And then the ones that actually use most were like the little yellow pucks that you just shoot it. So wait. It’s a needle with a flare in the needle tip. Uh oh. Okay, so it’s yet just does a little more damage, like not gonna not gonna come out. It’s not just gonna go straight through. It’s like a barbed hook. Yeah, um, but I liked when they sold sold it to me the little yellow pucks that it shoots out. They sold it as like, Well, this is you can just stun him. Like if you find a squirrel that you don’t want your bird feeder, you just shoot it with one of these. It’s not gonna kill him just on him, and it’s gonna go off. I called those. I called those garrett fodder. Yeah, this’d what I used to shoot my brother with. And then you just say, And then I remember he made a note to not let the squirrel see you, cause you want it to not associate your presence with it. Just wanted to associate their commercial that you’re talking about know about it affair or something like that. Oh, so this is a guy pitching this thio Sam ways I had this blow again. So I went and unwrapped the blowgun which was on my sword racked by the by the way, Bryce’s secret. Shame is he used to collect mall ninja swords like a fucking geek. There’s no shame. So they weren’t from the mall. They’re from various country locations around the world locations. Anyways, it took out the blowgun and I went down. And the paint the picture. This is like 14 year old me So still like riel Real chubby fat will just a fence. And I’m in, like, just my tighty whiteys. Yeah, No shirt. Now we’re talking, so I’m like, full Rambo, like, made of native native mode. And I take out my blowgun and I look back the back crack of the couch between the couch and the wall. Nash’s see my foe, huh? And then he spots may start for running away, and I blow and he jumps into the darkness. Just is the needle goes out. I did. Did you get him? You got him? Yeah. Who needle went right through him and pinned him to the ground. Holy shit. That’s the coolest thing I’ve ever heard. I don’t like killing stuff, but I will. And I appreciate the ah, the tam. The marksmanship. Yeah, that’s incredible. So get yourself a blowgun. Did Ah. Did you feel like? Did you feel like a lot of guilt, or were you just like fucking badass right now? Were you like that, Chubby? A 14 year old in his tighty whitey? She’s, like, on top of the world. I was so amazed that I hit him like the chances that I Yeah, I hit him were so astounding. I don’t practice this. It’s not like this is my Yeah, Yeah, And blow guns air. So surprisingly like intuitive. Like it’s pretty easy to Yes, it market takes the concept of Look where you want to throw, right when and it and it makes it even easier because it attach. Is it basically to your nose, right underneath your nose. Where is your sights? But yeah. Yeah, so, um okay, I have probably felt a little bit of guilt, but I was so elated that I that I got him and I showed everyone like, Can you believe that I got this fucking mouse with his blowgun? I’m not gonna lie. I’m proud of you right now. Like is probably It’s probably the best moment in my life. Did he die? And I have three children. Did he die right away was he was dead. Okay. Wow. Yeah, That’s a That’s a clean shot. It was a humane death. I mean, it went right through. Face the chest, chest. All area. Chester area. Yeah, that’s Ah, that’s a common Adam and Emma Tom Mickle term. Anyway, let’s get back to this boring movie. Um, so lots of deaths. So, I mean, that’s what people come to these movies for is like the interesting death. So there’s a claw hammer death. Yeah, which is cool. That’s the security guard that gets killed. There’s some needle in the eye deaths. Yeah, I don’t like those specifically don’t like the needle in the eye deaths. There’s lots of ah, scalpel deaths. So most of this film is Michael Myers with a little tiny scalpel, which is a little less intimidating than a giant butcher knife. Yeah, he Although he does perform some of his most common party tricks like, you know, stabbing you in the back with a scalpel instead of a big, gigantic buoy number and then lifting you off the ground with that scalpel. Yeah, I don’t think it’s Koppel would do that. Wouldn’t you Shut up? Um, also a scalding death. Yeah, So this one is Ah, this is this Death was meant for boob jiggles. Uh, that’s Ah, that’s what it was meant for. A girl is telling herself off and ah, her Michael Myers. It’s like in a therapeutic tub, and Michael Myers turns up the heat to 11. And so it’s like it even has, like, a dial that says scalding as it’s going past it. And somehow just it’s so hot that it just burns off, hurt the first layer of skin, and it’s like sloughing off. Well, hang on, Uncle Myers. His hand is honest. I want to set this up a little bit here. So So she’s telling off. She’s, like, just gotten done fooling around with her boyfriend in the tub. She’s like she caught, puts an end to it. She puts the kibosh on that. She’s like, You’re not getting this tonight. I got to goto work, and so he goes to towel off in the other room. And where my ah, Michael Myers kills him and then, ah, And then, as she’s telling off next to the tub, Michael Myers enters the room, approaches her from behind, lovingly caresses her shoulder, and she’s like, Oh, you know, Sorry. Sorry, boy. And she’s like sucking on his hand. Yeah. You know what we’re like, like, just kind of on. Let me just touch you. Wouldn’t you, like, taste the blood? Or like, I just I don’t know, grossness like Michael Myers his hand. I don’t Guy that was with her just came out of the tub like, yeah, his hand would have been my at least clammy. I feel like if I was gonna suck on someone’s hand, I would be able to tell whether it was my boyfriends or not. Yeah, maybe just saying. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, she she Maybe she’s just maybe she just, you know, like, um so used to sucking on so many different hands that it’s just one of those things where it’s, like the back of her mind. But yeah, she really gave this hand a weird suck. And and then, you know, she turns around and it’s Mike Michael Myers, and she’s like, Oh, God! And then he takes and dunk, sir. Ah, bunch. You know, and, uh, and then get in Slough off her face and that. But Mike’s hand is strangely unscathed. But, you know, maybe, I mean, we don’t get a close up of the hand afterward, and and maybe it was maybe maybe, like the pre dunk suck wet his hand, put a protective layer of Survivor that would protect the fact that he’s holding company having her hair. Maybe it’s like like a glove, right? Like a hair glove hairs or what’s not overthinking other deaths of strangling death, just lots of lots of different. The way is toe kill people that Michael Myers coaster. Except, you know, the one defence is walking a little quicker than normal. Just just okay, just a little faster. So throughout the movie, they tryto had kind of like supernatural elements of they try and tack on a bunch of weird shit. Yeah, 11 of the elements, you know that they try to expand it is Laurie and Michael’s relationship. But then, also, Loomis’s here throughout just trying to kind of expand it into like a supernatural realm that he’s, you know, questionably undead kind of thing. It and then he sees the Michael Myers left like this, writing on a chalkboard and blood that said, Samhain and Loomis had this to say about that. What says it’s gibberish? No, that’s a Celtic word. Samhain. That means the Lord of the Dead. The end of summer. The festival off some aid. That’s Halloween, isn’t it? Oh, play that clip. Had a lot of background sound going on. Yeah, And then there’s this is him actually kind of explaining, Maura, about what? That festival is about to say. The black bag in the elementary school. In order to appease the gods, the Druid priests held fire rituals. Prisoners of war criminals, insane animals, learned alive in basket. By observing the way they died, the Druids believed they could see omens of the future. 2000 years later, we’ve come no further. Sam Main isn’t evil spirits. Goblins goes the witches, the unconscious mind. We’re all afraid of the dog inside ourselves. Please. Yeah, so I mean, it’s trying to expand it into into this trilogy into them. The next generations of this That won’t feature Michael Myers. Yeah. I mean, it’s very obviously like the hypothesis of this movie is like, this is Dr. Loomis is here to say this is kind of what we’re going for. Yeah, and to me. It’s kind of disappointing because if you can’t show that with the rest of the film, if you need someone to spell out, this is what we’re going for. This is like the Lord of the Death, and this is it’s the in country, unconscious mind and it’s blah, blah, blah. All right, I get what you’re I get what you’re trying to do. But it just leaves me saying to myself, Actually, Miss, please, you know when when you were playing, I got two things when you’re playing that clip and the high pitched squealing came in over my head phones. I thought I was hearing something from out outside and I had a panic moment. So that was that was fairly effective. If you watch this movie, listen to it on headphones and get a different experience. But then also Price, I have a question that I think you might be able to help me with, which is a lot of times. So you know, these big these big slashers get, um, you know, get big on the merit of the Creator. Right? John Carpenter, First Halloween. John Carpenter dirt, but writes and directs. Why? But West West Craven nightmare on Elm Street. Same thing. Why is it that they take it out of that person’s hands for the second movie all the time? The second, the third? They’re like, Yeah, John Carpenter can write it, but he was not going to direct. And what is that? John Carpenter didn’t want to direct it like I don’t know. I don’t think him and the other writer actually wanted to do Halloween, too. They were. They said no. Initially, I just read this on imdb. They’re like, No, the first film stands alone on its own. It’s a great movie. We don’t want to extend it because that would. And then you’re like, How about we give you more money? And John Carpenter goes okay, all right. And so they offered him more money and, ah, supposedly this was in the trivia. I don’t know if they actually saw into John Carpenter’s mind, but basically said that he made no money off of the first film. And so the second paycheck. And I think this is true of a lot of creators that have a really, really successful first film, that they don’t have a great deal because they’re unknown or unproven s o. They don’t make a lot of money off of the one thing that I just made a shit ton of money and they do the following ones to make that up. So John Carpenter was like, Well, I didn’t make any money off the 1st 1 and it made a ton of money. So I can kind of get my due by writing the script of this one. And, um and I don’t have to have my name attached to a terrible movie as a director. Yeah, just the writer. Just the one with all the concepts, right? So And it’s it’s kind of interesting when you say you’re not terrible. I don’t mean to say that this is movie. This movie is terrible, but like, if you were look at Nightmare on Elm Street to Yeah, it’s terrible. So So it’s Ah, he wrote it and tried to incorporate elements of some of the more successful, um, horror movies around that time. So apparently the director wanted to make it very much like the 1st 1 and John Carper to win in after that director’s final cut and added some scenes that were more gory because that’s what the kids wanted right in the early eighties. And so it’s kind of like a muddled kind of a muddled movie. I’m really glad I asked that question because this answers a lot. You know, I really isn’t always been confusing to me that why don’t you bring back the guy who did the work like, Yeah, this is the reason It’s good. Yeah, my, um, eso lots of things in this movie here and this is more, more horror trips, a lot of convenient just stuff that doesn’t make sense. And to a certain extent, it’s trying to be dreamlike, like there’s a lot of dream logic in this, where one minute Lori is catatonic. She’s like, See, she’s literally like, not breathing because she’s having a reaction medication and Michael Myers is coming for and you’re like, Oh, no, oh, no, She’s catatonic. He’s gonna get her. And then once Michael Myers opens the door and stabs, it’s just pillows. And then Laurie is now running away because because she woke up and you look just run away. Yeah, just in time, Yeah, Then the other one is like, glorious running away. This is the one. This is the one, like chasing that was the most ridiculous because it’s literally like he’s as far away from her as you are from me right now, which is like five feet. And she decides then to climb up some boxes and open a window and climb out the window after after watching him approach for a good 14 feet. Yeah, for very clumsily and slowly and Michael Myers, like, slowly walks up. And then he kind of waves at her in a way that Ricky Bobby does in Talladega Nights was just like, Don’t know what to do. A hand. I don’t know what to do with my hands, just like Michael might just close your hand. You’ll have her. I mean, I get what they were going for right? Which is which is all the girls in the theatre immediately go. Oh, he’s grabbing at her legs. Is she got but really What? It Yeah, What it really achieves is it makes Michael looks stupid, and and then my this is my favorite part of the whole movie. Once she gets out of that window, then she she’s in another part of like a storage room or something like that in the basement. And she runs around a chain link fence like an L pattern around a chain link fence toe where she sees an elevator and Mike Myers is hot on her tail, moving at the speed of smell. And he he is walking so slowly that she is able to get get in the elevator, goes down three Flory floors. She gets in, it opens the door, you know, agonizingly slowly, like an elevator does. And then it closes. You know, she’s like, Oh, God, impressing the door closed, his hand goes in the elevator issued, or she’s watching him approach over 10 feet while she’s in the elevator going, Please, please close, Please. Please. Clothes. And he can’t speed up one little iota. And then he puts his hand in the door. So you’re thinking it’s gonna open the elevator, but then he just pulls it out on the door. Close the only elevator in the world that does that just like out my hand. Yeah, so there’s lots of that kind of stuff. It’s strangely endearing, though. Yeah, again. In this in this hospital is the most I I think They’re working in an abandoned hospital, and no one told them. Well, hey, wait a minute. This isn’t the hospital with the patients things the old abandoned hospital down on the, you know, old hospital road for 1 to 5. Hospital road? No, for 1 to 6. No, it’s that hospital right there. It’s not this one. They followed the drunk doctor over there, just trusting you. News? Yeah. I mean, and it’s great. There’s actually a scene with one of the e m t s. And he’s all Listen, I can’t find anybody that’s gone. Mrs. Alice is gone. We gotta find Laurie. Listen, I can’t find anyone. Can you imagine being in the hospital that was literally just empty? See? And this is a question that I have to maybe some viewers who are listeners who are older than me. So I’m an eighties kid nineties kid, born in the eighties and, ah, same with Bryce. So we don’t really have Ah, good. We don’t have a good idea about what? You know, maybe middle America. You know, we’re talking Illinois. We’re talking Kansas, Oklahoma. Just good old corn fed motherfuckers out there. What was it like in like the seventies and eighties. Was this an accurate portrayal of the hospital in those toe? I I’m so curious. I just didn’t have accidents back then. They didn’t. Maybe maybe it’s not that they didn’t have accidents, but there just wasn’t very many of them. Or maybe they just let people die a lot of debt. There were a lot more deaths. Yeah, you know, Yeah, I’m very leery is likely. Completely empty. I think the only other patient that we saw was there was a couple babies in the nursery. The loneliest babies with no mother. See, never like they’re just sitting there like, Yeah, so yeah, it’s It’s just it feels dream like it does. Um, but if you’re going for, like, a realistic I didn’t Whatever. So, um, and then the end Michael walks through some doors to go after them. Well said, and the and then Lori shoots him in the eyes. But before she does that, he has to walk through some doors to get yeah, walk through some doors to get torn. Laurie has a gun that Dr Loomis gave and he shoots. She shoots him in the eyes, and then the blood comes out like tears. And I said, Oh, you made him cry for the little guy or Michael Myers And and then he’s blind. And Dr Loomis and Laurie on are on separate sides of the room and they figure out turning on the air is like I wanted them to say he’s attracted to the sound of air because they kept turning on the’s like air container tanks. Yeah, these big the other room, these big tanks containing oxygen and, ah, ether. But wouldn’t Wouldn’t they just fucking pass out if there’s a either just floating around. Instead, Dr Loomis lights a match in. They get blowed up, sacrificing himself. They have blowed up real good, like literally, just a giant fireball explosion ends really? Well, that’s that for sure. And it shows Michael Myers laying on his stomach like literally just burning for probably like a good minute. Yeah, showing them like seemed like it was 30 seconds or so. He is dead. Legally dead D E. D. Dead no more Michael Meyers movies. No, he’s gone. 100%. See is flesh burning office skull. We’ve cashed in this chip. It’s over. There’s just no more go home. There’s no way that they could make four more movies starring Michael Myers and then to re re imaginings. Yeah, yeah, you know, he was still like and also like, movies. Donald Pleasants is in the other movies, too. So apparently Dr Loomis survives as well. Well, there’s a There was a little trip to a burn ward, you know, had some second degree burns anyways, so that kind of ruins. I mean, that’s the thing with these movies, like you have to see him in the time because the fact that you know that they’re seven other sequels is like, Well, he’s still there like that means nothing. That ending means nothing. Yeah, gives it gives a little bit away trying to think. Have we seen any new movies that are going to turn into something big? I guess I guess I When I saw the conjuring, I felt, Ah, I saw that in theaters and I felt like, Wow, this there’s something here And then certainly there has been obviously, I mean, the one that I would point to that I bet would get a sequel is ready or not, but I don’t know how they would do that for how that would be a franchise. Well, I’m sure there are some mildly creative people who will make that happen. Yeah. Ready or not? Probably the best movie. Yeah, that we’ve seen recently. Yeah, for sure. I don’t think they’re going to make a franchise off of midsummer. No. Or hereditary. Now, what if they did make a franchise off of hereditary? Wouldn’t that be great? They feel they feel like I mean, you could he could do a sequel of Hereditary. Yeah, but, I mean, I would I would want it to be Ari Astor. Yeah. Um, yeah. I don’t know. Flashes. I think slashers do super well anymore right now. I mean, I guess Halloween 2018 made a ton of money. Yeah, and I thought there was gonna be I thought there was gonna be a sequel to that this year. Actually, is that next year? Okay. 2020. Yeah. Okay. Um, so, yeah, that was that was the movie lots of, Ah, stabbing. Lots of slow walking. Yeah, lots of ah, lots of scalp. ALS. I mean, it’s it’s interesting, because, like, if you were gonna watch the first movie might as well, just tack on this one, too. It just to see where that self encapsulated story where the original vision would have stopped. I don’t have a problem with this movie. To be clear, this movie does not suck. It is not a bad movie. No, In fact, I thought it was like I really do think it is interesting that it’s not like there’s no laughable parts or like, parts that I’m rolling my eyes out. It’s just very trophy. It’s like, Yep, that’s that thing. Yeah, and part of that is this is the like. This is the standard centre for tropes. Like this is where a lot of those started, right? So, yeah, we look at him. Now we go. That’s so hacky. Like a look at that hacky bullshit. But yeah, it’s hacky because it started it like that. This was this started a whole movement. And I do think it’s interesting that it that it literally picks up seconds after the 1st 1 and just carries out the rest of the night. Yeah, so yeah. So final recommendations, man. Uh, you know, if you’re doing if you’re doing a watching of of all the Halloween’s or something like that. This one is not one to skip. In my opinion, Yeah. So do that. This this Halloween click through our link on Amazon. Watch this movie on Amazon. Rent it. All right, please. Yeah. I mean, if you like slasher movies like this is I mean, obviously the Halloween franchise or something that you should definitely touch on. Yeah. One and two. Probably some of the most important ones on. So I think like out of them that people talk about theirs. Having one into There’s three. I think three is is Yeah, three. Notable in how different it is. But it’s not. I mean, it’s weird even include that in this franchise. It’s like its own thing, too. Yeah, but I think that’s why I mean, why, um h 20 this. It’s a lot of attention. Had some rapper in it in there. No, that was another one. Know it for sure. H 20 Definitely. I got it. Now. I gotta look this up. No, there’s one. Because that was 1998 99. There was Halloween. Resurrection had Busta Rhymes. Okay, Okay. I was thinking about Lep in the hood. Leper con in the Oh, yeah. Um, I think h 20 um I mean, the 2018 Halloween one got really good scores we’ll see about. Okay, so h 20 in the return of Michael Myers Got some good stuff. So I think, like, I think number three No. Yeah. So yeah, 12 and four and then skip to H 20 is probably where you should go. Well, in terms of like, the original, lots of people, lots of people. There’s a lot of controversy around the Rob Zombie remakes, Um, personally, it way too gross and, um, horrific for me. But, um, but they are notable in that some people definitely prefer the backstory of Mike Myers and why he is the way he is. And, ah, and Rob Zombie does kind of delve into it in his two movies. I’m looking at the cast for H 20 right now, Obviously, Jamie Lee Curtis. But other notables. Our Josh Barnett and Joseph Gordon Levitt. There you go, Joseph Gordon Levitt in 1998. Like coming right off 1\/3 Rock from the Sun. Joseph Gordon Levitt. So let’s play Attack of the Rotten tomatoes, Right, mate? Hey, that’s one of my favorite. That’s one of my favorites, too, because we have thio say rotten, right, because we’re too lazy to record it. Uh, okay. So, like I said, this version of Attack of the Rotten Tomatoes, we’re going to be pitting Halloween against Nightmare on Elm Street. I’m going to give you two one from each franchise. And I tried to param up a cz close to the years as I could. So you try to go like, like, one like like householders. And there’s a couple of them that are the same year, so yeah, you’ll see. Okay, So let’s let’s start with the first films, though. So Halloween 1978. Okay, the original versus the original a nightmare on Elm Street, which was in 1984. So that’s the biggest separation that we have. And we’re going off of the Taito Meter score. That’s the critics scores the critics aggregate score. Let me think here. Okay, so Halloween, which is so iconic that it’s, you know, arguably birth the slasher genre in and of itself. And then we have the original nightmare on Elm Street, which is, um, extraordinaire also extremely notable in that, you know, Freddie is probably the most iconic slasher villain ever. So, um, I gotta say, I think I think John Carpenter gets a little bit more traction with the critics than West Craven. So I’m going to say the original Halloween. You are correct. Oh, by Halloween. Got 96 down Nightmare on Elm Street at 94. So you in close? Yeah. You close? I don’t even think my logic for that stands up. I think that’s just anomalous thing. Yeah. Next we have Halloween four. The Return of Michael Myers, made in 1988 available on Shuter and a chipped A Nightmare on Elm Street. Four. Both four’s the Dream Master. Okay, so how in four? Directed by Dwight H. Little and Mark Cunningham And starring Donald Pleasants, Ellie Cornell and George P. Wilbur. You know those stars? Big names, Dream Master. It was directed by Reni Harland starring Robert Englund, of course, Lisa Wilcox and Danny Hassle. This is tough. Um, I have I’ve seen neither. I was thinking about watching Halloween four on Shuter. Um, but I haven’t yet, so I think for this one I’m going to go Halloween again because I have heard good things about that one, and I have not heard almost anything about ah, name and Elm Street for So that’s what I’m saying. You hear a lot about dream warriors Dream Warriors? Yeah, is three, but this is the next one dream Master. Um, you are wrong. Oh, wow. Nightmare on Elm Street. Four got 55. Okay, so just under fresh, I think freshest 60. Yeah, something like them. So it’s really split right down the middle for critics. Halloween four got 30% hoof. Um, yeah, which is actually more than to. I think two is, like, 30. So, um, a little, maybe a little better than the one we watched. Uh, might be interested in whatever. Okay. How in five. Revenge of Michael Myers Directed by Dominique Oh Thelen Gerard Starring Daniel Harris, Donald Pleasants and Wendy Kaplan vs A Nightmare on Elm Street five. The Dream Child in 1989 both in 1989 that when it’s directed by Stephen Hopkins Starring Robert Englund, Lisa Wilcox and Danny Hassle. The same cast His last movie, Dream Child fucked me up. It it is It is the reason I slept with the lights on from ages five or six until, like, nine. Not joking. Yeah, because I’ve mentioned this before in podcast. My family had pay per view because we had one of the gigantic satellite dishes in the eighties. And Ah, and this was on and, like, 90 or something like that. And I was just a little boy. And I caught, um, Freddie become birthing himself out of a woman’s like stomach, like with his claws on da. And that fucked me up, buddy. Like so just based on that, I’m gonna have to say, um, Dream child you are Could react. No, baby. Yeah. Helling, five. Revenge of Michael Myers got 13. Wow. And that is not, uh, nightmare on Elm Street. Five Got 32. Dang. Okay. Still not great. Not great. Not good. A 22 scarring for May, for sure. All right. Next in 1995 Halloween Curse of Michael Myers. This is Howling six Directed by Joe Chappell Starring Donald Pleasants, Paul Rudd’s and Mitchell Ryan. I’m really interested to see what a Halloween produced in the dead mid nineties looks like. Yeah, you know. And then West Craven’s new nightmare and was in 1994 so a year earlier. Directed by Wes Craven starring David Newson, Robert Englund and Heather Langenkamp. Which is the girl from the first movie. Never heard One thing Heather Langenkamp is in dream Warriors. Well, never heard one thing about Halloween six, but I’ve heard lots of good stuff about a new nightmare. So I’m gonna say, Newman, New Nightmare. You’re correct. Yeah, this is probably the biggest spread of points. Wes Craven’s new nightmare Kind of a soft reboot. Yeah. Franchise got a 78 damn 2nd 2nd highest score for that franchise. And pretty sure, um, hello in six. Got a 606% power and red Poor Paul Red, Do you think Do you think when, like the howling franchises brought up in front of Paul Red, Do you think he’s like, you know, I was in a Halloween? Or do you think it was like, What? Oh, yeah, that seems like it’s ah, interesting franchise sixths. And that’s I mean, it’s strangely fitting that Halloween six got to six. Um, okay, so you’ve already got three. So you’ve won the game, but I got two more. Okay. Ah, Halloween Resurrection 2002 Directed by. Dick Rosenthal Starring Buster Rhymes, Tyra Banks and Jamie Lee Curtis. Damn Tyra Banks in her hottest nous. Uh, and who else? And Jamie Lee Curtis? Probably in her Hodess n’est staying And that was that was right after true lies. So what is it, really? I never I never saw true lies. But what is it about? What What is it about? Never seen true life. Okay, I just never have understood people like my dad would be like watching Halloween like he doesn’t watch horror movies. And he’s like Jamie Lee Curtis is the one more Ryan. What the fuck are you talking about? Why does everybody think Jamie Lee Curtis is so hot? Well, there’s a couple movies. There’s trading spaces. She prayed, plays a hooker in that one, and she’s got a nice bod. Um, true lies definitely shows off pretty nice bod like I mean, I get it, Okay, I totally get it. And you see, I guess I need to see true lies you gotta see truly. It’s like one of the best action movies ever made. That’s that’s why I’m just not interested in it. I guess. Yeah, it’s It’s like, Well, it’s James Cameron. Okay. Oh, I did not know that. We’ll watch that. Um okay. Versus our back to the game. Freddy versus Jason, which is 2003. A year later, directed by Ronnie You, starring Robert Englund, Can cursing her and Monica Keena. I went to see that in theaters with a bunch of my friends, and it was hilarious. I’m gonna say a resurrection. Was that the other option? Uh, yeah, I’m gonna say resurrection because Freddy versus Jason was terrible. And I’m sure critics didn’t even jokingly like it. Buster Rhymes did not pull through. It was actually Ah, Freddy versus Jason. That got a higher score. So Halloween Resurrection got an 11 hoof and Freddy versus Jason Got a 41. Wow, that’s a lot more than I would have expected. I would have expected 11 vs, like 14. Still not fresh, but yeah. Dang right. Direction must be fucking awful. Can you even imagine how bad it would have to be to have like to be up against Freddy versus Jason and be like, yeah, definitely friendly first, like, not even comparable universes apart. Also, I think it’s like lower expectations. If I mean Freddy versus Jason, it’s such an exploitative concept. That’s not like anyone’s gonna expect lots of introspective dialogue there. Anything in that movie? Um, okay. Last one h two Halloween, too. The 2009 version. Not the one that we reviewed. This one’s directed by it. Robert Zombie murdering Malcolm McDowell, Brad Dourif, which I think is the voice of Chucky If I’m remembering, Right and e, I think Brad am something. Something Anyway, I’m not sure. Well, now we gotta check now. We have to You have to check because Bryce has to be right all the time. Mark Hamill is the voice of new Chuckie. Yeah, Brander. Oh, yes. Yeah, I was right. Oh, so it is. So you know so, yeah. Brad Dourif was an H 20 k and Tyler Mane versus a Nightmare. A Nightmare on Elm Street 2010. The Reboot, Directed by a Samuel Bear starring Rooney, Mara, Kyle Galle, Honor and Thomas Dekker. This is the 22,010 reboot Eso Keith wrote a blogged about this. And how the reboot not not necessary. Um, and I trust Keith’s opinion very much, eh? so I’m gonna go ahead and say, Robert zombies flick H two. You’re correct. Maybe. So. You got four out of six. Good job. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Ellen has a much worse track record than nightmare on Elm Street. Yeah, apparently not. That nightmare on Elm Street got better than average scores, but slightly better. Hey, I got a quick question for you. Of the what I would consider the original slasher. Ah, like the big the big hitters, I’d say there’s five, right? I’d say there’s Friday, 13th Halloween nightmare on Elm Street. Um, and I don’t know where the fifth, where I had the idea that there was 1\/5 but it’s child’s play be a child’s plays, is the other one Which of those of what you have seen thus far, Which of those Siri’s do you enjoy the most, Um and why? No, I think it’s kind of a tie between ah, nightmare on Elm Street and child’s play. It’s just more creative, like there’s lots of more ways and go with it. I think I think the villains are both, like about on par with each other in terms of interesting and and menace. Yeah, like I’m really appreciate child’s play And how how fucking disturbing that movie actually is like, and And I feel like I can get behind the comedy of all the rest of the child’s plays and the cultish kind of feel of it. You know, the runner up for me is definitely Friday the 13th though while I’ve only seen a handful of them, like specifically, the 1st 2 are so good. I really enjoyed him. Ah, lot. So, yeah, I think most slashers just blend in together and like, it just has to have an added element for me If it’s just a guy killing people. Yeah, I don’t know. Gonna fart on rice here. All right, let’s wrap up so we can have a hellhole with fart infested. We got to record the after pie. Uh, thanks for listening. I don’t know what it is about, and I just always assumed that this one will be a quick one, and then we hit, like, an hour 30 anyways. Yeah, it’s just the way it is. Well, we had to tell the great White Hunter story, so thanks for listening. 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Halloween 2018 would have you believe that Halloween 2 never happened. But it did happen! We watched it. And we’re going to talk about it god damn it!  Skip to Intro - 1:03Skip to Trailer - 5:45Skip to Synopsis 12:00Skip to Review 12:35Ski... Halloween 2018 would have you believe that Halloween 2 never happened. But it did happen! We watched it. And we’re going to talk about it god damn it! 







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Halloween 2 can be found on HBO Now/Go right now, but is also available to rent on Amazon or anywhere else that you do that type of thing. Here is the trailer:




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Halloween 2 (1981) Synopsis



Halloween 2 picks up right where Halloween left off. Michael Myers disappears from the lawn after being shot by Dr. Loomis 6 times. Why do I remember it was six times you ask? Because Dr. Loomis reminds us every time he is on screen. Michael Myers continues killing the youth of Haddonfield in a deadly game of peekaboo with the audience. Now you see him, now you don’t. Wee! 



Review of Halloween II



This film tries to recapture the moody and dread filled allure of the first Halloween, but doesn’t ever really deliver. Most of the interesting parts of the original were leading up to the killing spree at night when the shape is stalking Laurie and her friends. In this movie, it’s just the third act of the first film the whole time. Efforts are made to tack on a story and motivation to fill out the slasher. Dr. Loomis babbles about the philosophical and historical nature of Michael’s evil, and there’s also a shocking revelation akin to Empire Strikes Back! Other than that, character development and plot is pretty thin in this movie. The only character we really care about is Laurie in this film, and she does nothing for most of it. However, if you enjoy kills, this film delivers them at the slow and steady pace of Michael Myers.



Score of Halloween 2 (1981)



5/10



While not a resounding endorsement, it's more of a confirmation that this is an archetypal slasher.











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As previously mentioned, Dr. Loomis is really here just to spout off about how many times he shot Michael Myers and wax philisophical about the nature of Michael's evil.



Did I mention the time I shot Michael Myers six times?



A lot of his dialogue expanding the lore of the Halloween franchise. When the word Samhain is scrawled on the blackboard in blood, Dr. Loomis explains the significance.




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The Invitation Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/25/the-invitation-review/ Wed, 25 Sep 2019 07:01:16 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=2981 We streamed The Invitation on Netflix, where it has lived for quite some time. This is a movie that I enjoyed watching the second time around almost as much as I enjoyed watching it the first time. It's tense, and feels strangely real - making it quite effective. Skip to Intro - 0:44Skip to Trailer - 5:59Skip to Synopsis - 07:04Skip to Review - 10:35Skip to Score - 13:44 Skip to Spoilers - 23:47Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:02:04Skip to Lifetime Movie or Horror Movie - 1:08:00Skip to iTunes Reviews - 1:10:54 Skip to Outro - 1:28:34 The Invitation Poster Logan Marshall-Green looking the way I look at social functions The Invitation Synopsis The Invitation is a 2015 movie directed by Karen Kusama that follows protagonist, Will (Logan Marshall-Green) and his girlfriend Kira (Emayatz Corinealdi) who are on their way to a party that they have been invited to. The party is being hosted by Will’s Ex wife, Eden (Tammy Blanchard) and her new husband David (Michiel Huisman).   The Invitation Trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9kJV7c9eKA A bevvy of Will’s old friends are also in attendance at the party, which, everyone agrees, seems weird. This air of weirdness follows the party through conversations and asides in bedrooms, kitchens, and lounge areas until we learn the reason for the party - to introduce everyone to this sweet new cult, known as The Invitation. Eden and David are joined by two personal friends, a flirty woman named Sadie (Lindsay Burdge) and a big, strong, man named Pruitt (John Carroll Lynch).  As the party progresses Will becomes increasingly skeptical and worried about the intentions of his hosts but no one else seems to share his feelings of paranoia and dread. Even when his hosts are caught locking the doors with a key from the inside, the party continues. How will this party end? Short Review of The Invitation The Invitation is an incredibly well crafted movie from beginning to end. It’s use of camera work, acting, casting, direction, soundtrack; it’s all intentional and skillful. This movie plays perfectly to me, the feelings of dread and seemingly unfounded, but strangely well-founded paranoia is right in my wheelhouse. Watch The InvitationThe Invitation Full MovieClick Here to Watch I think my favorite part of The Invitation is the discomfort that you feel in a party is so well intoned, and all of the acting matches so well with the characters and their desires/intentions. It feels real, and it feels upsetting, and I love it.   The only real criticism that I have of The Invitation is that the pacing slumps a teeny tiny bit in the middle, but I feel like it makes up for it with an incredible crescendo of an ending.  Score for The Invitation 10/10 What I Love About The Invitation This movie takes a hard look at the human psyche, and at how we experience suffering and loss. It puts a magnifying glass on what we are willing to do to avoid the feelings of pain and suffering that haunt us throughout our lives. It also does everything right. Check Out Our Review of Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/08/14/scary-stories-to-tell-in-the-dark-review/ Soundtrack for The Invitation This movie is mostly quiet, which goes a long way to accentuate the feeling of doom and foreboding that they are going for. What soundtrack there is is mostly played on solitary stringed instruments, and boy does it work. The minimalist approach works perfectly here and this movie really can drive a knife through you with only a violin. Lighting for The Invitation See this warm lighting? Gorgeous. The color palate and lighting on this movie are intentionally dim and warm. It feels like a cozy dinner party in a mid-century modern house, and it also feels quite extravagant. I love the lighting in this movie because it simultaneously suggests that you should feel comfortable and is able to pull off the... We streamed The Invitation on Netflix, where it has lived for quite some time. This is a movie that I enjoyed watching the second time around almost as much as I enjoyed watching it the first time. It’s tense, and feels strangely real – making it quite effective.

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Logan Marshall-Green looking the way I look at social functions

The Invitation Synopsis

The Invitation is a 2015 movie directed by Karen Kusama that follows protagonist, Will (Logan Marshall-Green) and his girlfriend Kira (Emayatz Corinealdi) who are on their way to a party that they have been invited to. The party is being hosted by Will’s Ex wife, Eden (Tammy Blanchard) and her new husband David (Michiel Huisman).  

The Invitation Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9kJV7c9eKA

A bevvy of Will’s old friends are also in attendance at the party, which, everyone agrees, seems weird. This air of weirdness follows the party through conversations and asides in bedrooms, kitchens, and lounge areas until we learn the reason for the party – to introduce everyone to this sweet new cult, known as The Invitation. Eden and David are joined by two personal friends, a flirty woman named Sadie (Lindsay Burdge) and a big, strong, man named Pruitt (John Carroll Lynch). 

As the party progresses Will becomes increasingly skeptical and worried about the intentions of his hosts but no one else seems to share his feelings of paranoia and dread. Even when his hosts are caught locking the doors with a key from the inside, the party continues. How will this party end?

Short Review of The Invitation

The Invitation is an incredibly well crafted movie from beginning to end. It’s use of camera work, acting, casting, direction, soundtrack; it’s all intentional and skillful. This movie plays perfectly to me, the feelings of dread and seemingly unfounded, but strangely well-founded paranoia is right in my wheelhouse.

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The Invitation Full Movie

I think my favorite part of The Invitation is the discomfort that you feel in a party is so well intoned, and all of the acting matches so well with the characters and their desires/intentions. It feels real, and it feels upsetting, and I love it. 

 The only real criticism that I have of The Invitation is that the pacing slumps a teeny tiny bit in the middle, but I feel like it makes up for it with an incredible crescendo of an ending. 

Score for The Invitation

10/10

What I Love About The Invitation

This movie takes a hard look at the human psyche, and at how we experience suffering and loss. It puts a magnifying glass on what we are willing to do to avoid the feelings of pain and suffering that haunt us throughout our lives.

It also does everything right.

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Soundtrack for The Invitation

This movie is mostly quiet, which goes a long way to accentuate the feeling of doom and foreboding that they are going for. What soundtrack there is is mostly played on solitary stringed instruments, and boy does it work. The minimalist approach works perfectly here and this movie really can drive a knife through you with only a violin.

Lighting for The Invitation

See this warm lighting? Gorgeous.

The color palate and lighting on this movie are intentionally dim and warm. It feels like a cozy dinner party in a mid-century modern house, and it also feels quite extravagant. I love the lighting in this movie because it simultaneously suggests that you should feel comfortable and is able to pull off the “you can’t see well, and that’s mildly unsettling” vibe.

Casting for The Invitation

The casting in this movie is superb because everyone so naturally fills the role of their character that I feel like the events of this movie actually took place.

Two of the most important characters to cast correctly are Pruitt (John Carroll Lynch) Sadie (Lindsay Burdge). These are the cult members who no one but Eden and David know, and they are there for the express purpose of getting or making people fall in-line with accepting the cult.

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Sadie plays an unhinged sex kitten so well that I have a hard time believing that Lindsay isn’t exactly that. And Pruitt is such an impressive force of a man to contend with that I now view John Carroll Lynch in a totally different light. He is well-known for his roles as the suburban dad character, or boss, but now I just see him as a terrifying man.

Spoilers for The Invitation

Killing the Coyote

The Invitation starts out with Will and Kira driving through the Hollywood Hills on their way to this party, and as they are driving the hit a coyote, injuring it. Never is there a dog, or coyote in frame, so for the squeamish, don’t worry too much.

I will say that, while I normally detest movies that kill dogs for an emotional rise in the audience, I think this works well to set the stage for the rest of the movie. It speaks to the theme of suffering present throughout the movie, and it tees up the a sense of unease when Will does the right thing and clubs the poor pup to put it out of it’s misery.

Arriving at the Most Awkward Party Ever

Will makes it clear to Kira and the audience in the car that this party is being held by his ex-wife and her new husband at her lavish family home that he and his ex once shared. Just knowing that tidbit, how could it not be an awkward party?

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Somehow, the party seems even more forced and awkward than one being thrown by your ex-wife has right to be. Everyone present at the party is a friend of the ex-couple and seems to acknowledge the feeling that this party is a bit weird.

The Reason for the Party

Will meets Eden in the kitchen and she makes a declaritive statement that she is doing “much better” and is, in fact, more happy than she has ever been in her life – which seems to boggle Will. Apparently they share a deep-dark past. She says, “Pain and suffering are optional.”

As the group coalesces in the living room they are formally let in on the reason for the party – The Invitation. This is the name of a cult that everyone in the room recognizes as a cult. David (who we now know is a cult member) disputes the idea that The Invitation is a cult with a video from the cult (great way to dispute that you are a cult, right?).

David, Eden’s new husband, and Eden

The video details some vague explanation of how the human brain can heal and can be rewired to avoid trauma. It invites the watches to an enlightened existence – you know, cult shit. Then it shows footage of a young woman in bed who dies on camera! This visibly and predictably upsets the party goers.

The Two Friends of Eden and David are…Weird

Sadie and Pruitt are probably the best inclusion of characters into this film. They are the “x-factors” that make everyone wonder what is going on. Sadie is clearly there to be a sex kitten, meant to draw in wayward men and help with the inhibitions of worried women.

Pruitt is the muscle. But for what? Why would the party need these things? We don’t know until the end, but it can’t be good to have to have these characters.

Where is Choi!?

As the movie progresses Will receives a voicemail through the otherwise spotty cell service at the house. The message is from Choi, a character that didn’t show up to the party when everyone else did. Everyone has been offhandedly mentioning him and how flaky he is, so until this point it seems like the absence of Choi has been easily explained away.

Will sees David lighting a red lantern in the backyard, which is weird.

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The message that Will receives is from Choi stating that he made it to the party early, and he will see Will there soon, whenever Will gets there.

Now Will is on high alert, and after he watches a video from the cult leader saying, “I know this will be hard but I can’t wait to see you…” Will knew everything was wrong.

Will Blows Up

While dinner is being served Will blows up and asks where Choi is. He explains that he received a voicemail from Choi and he should be here, but he isn’t, and “Why not!?”

At that exact moment, Choi walks in the door, making Will look like he’s nuts.

The REAL Blow Up

When the desert wine is being served, Will starts to put all the pieces together and blows up again, smashing everyone’s wine glasses and insisting that they not drink it. Everyone looks at Will in disgust, but this time Sadie attacks him saying, “You ruined everything!” It’s at this point that the movie flips the switch.

Look at that Tom Hardy looking guy (Logan Marshall-Green)

Sadie gets hurled into a desk by Will, bumping her head and being knocked unconscious. As one of the guests begins administering medical attention to her, everyone notices that Gina is passed out on the table foaming at the mouth having been the only person who tasted the wine. David executes the guest who is trying to help Sadie with a pistol, and suddenly the party is over.

As Pruitt kicks into high gear killing everyone in sight, Will and Kira do their best to stay alive.

The Bone Chilling Ending

When the dust settles only Will, Kira, and another guest are left. As they walk out of the house into the backyard and view the Hollywood Hills beyond, they see hundreds of red lanterns, signifying “the deed has been done” amoungst the Invitation cult. They hear gunshots, screams, and sirens echoing through the valley.

Final Recommendations for The Invitation

This is a unique thriller that’s similar enough to the home invasion sub genre of horror that it will scratch that itch if you have it. Otherwise, If you like thrillers or movies in general, you should watch this.

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We streamed The Invitation on Netflix, where it has lived for quite some time. This is a movie that I enjoyed watching the second time around almost as much as I enjoyed watching it the first time. It's tense, We streamed The Invitation on Netflix, where it has lived for quite some time. This is a movie that I enjoyed watching the second time around almost as much as I enjoyed watching it the first time. It's tense, and feels strangely real - making it quite effective.







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The Invitation Poster



Logan Marshall-Green looking the way I look at social functions



The Invitation Synopsis



The Invitation is a 2015 movie directed by Karen Kusama that follows protagonist, Will (Logan Marshall-Green) and his girlfriend Kira (Emayatz Corinealdi) who are on their way to a party that they have been invited to. The party is being hosted by Will’s Ex wife, Eden (Tammy Blanchard) and her new husband David (Michiel Huisman).  



The Invitation Trailer




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9kJV7c9eKA




A bevvy of Will’s old friends are also in attendance at the party, which, everyone agrees, seems weird. This air of weirdness follows the party through conversations and asides in bedrooms, kitchens, and lounge areas until we learn the reason for the party - to introduce everyone to this sweet new cult, known as The Invitation. Eden and David are joined by two personal friends, a flirty woman named Sadie (Lindsay Burdge) and a big, strong, man named Pruitt (John Carroll Lynch). 



As the party progresses Will becomes increasingly skeptical and worried about the intentions of his hosts but no one else seems to share his feelings of paranoia and dread. Even when his hosts are caught locking the doors with a key from the inside, the party continues. How will this party end?



Short Review of The Invitation



The Invitation is an incredibly well crafted movie from beginning to end. It’s use of camera work, acting, casting, direction, soundtrack; it’s all intentional and skillful. This movie plays perfectly to me, the feelings of dread and seemingly unfounded, but strangely well-founded paranoia is right in my wheelhouse.





Watch The InvitationThe Invitation Full MovieClick Here to Watch











I think my favorite part of The Invitation is the discomfort that you feel in a party is so well intoned, and all of the acting matches so well with the characters and their desires/intentions. It feels real, and it feels upsetting, and I love it. 



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Tusk Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/18/tusk-review/ Wed, 18 Sep 2019 07:01:51 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=2912 After multiple patrons and listeners requested, we sat down and watched Tusk on Netflix. We regretted our decision. This film is all blubber and no craft. Kevin Smith proves his limitations with this failure of a body horror film. In this Tusk Review episode we break down what went wrong and what went right with the execution. Skip to Intro - 0:42Skip to Trailer - 5:59Skip to Synopsis - 08:51Skip to Review - 10:23Skip to Score - 17:07 Skip to Spoilers - 21:36Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:02:04Skip to Taglines - 1:08:00Skip to Horror Movie News - 1:10:54 Skip to Outro - 1:28:34 Tusk Poster Also, the face I would make if I was forced to watch this movie again. Tusk Trailer https://youtu.be/BCQJnOn0ru0 Tusk Official HD Trailer Tusk Movie Synopsis This horror movie is brought to you by the same guy that brought you Yoga Hosers and Cop Out. He now brings you a body horror movie based on a joke craigslist personal ad. In Tusk, Justin Long, plays Walrus, I mean Wallace Bryton, who runs a podcast with friend Teddy Craft (Haley Joel Osmond). Their podcast is mostly based off of making fun of internet cringe videos, and as such, Wallace flies to Canada to interview this movie universes equivalent of the Star Wars kid. Watch TuskTusk Full MovieClick to Watch Tusk When Wallace arrives, he finds out that unfortunately, his interviewee has killed himself. Desperate to find material for their upcoming episode, Wallace then discovers a bizarre personal ad in the bathroom stall of a bar. He goes to meet an enigmatic retired seaman named Howard Howe played by Michael Parks. Mr Howard tells tale of his adventures at sea and of a particular shipwreck where he was miraculously saved by a passing walrus. Before long, Wallace finds himself drugged and captive to Howard's twisted plot to recreate his walrus savior at Wallace’s expense.  Short Review of Tusk Sound interesting? It’s not. Tusk is what you get when you make a movie based on a joke. The premise is entertaining enough for a fake trailer, but not a feature length film, and definitely not with Smith at the helm. I expected a lot more, but the commitment and budget did not pull off the intense and twisted body horror tale necessary to hold my attention. It was shot in 15 days with $3 million and it somehow feels more rushed and cheaper than that. Check Out Our Review of IT (2017) https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/04/it-2017-review/ Instead of focusing on the dread of slowly being turned into a Walrus, Smith focused on creating a panoply of redundant characters delivering redundant dialogue at length. For a body horror film, there is very little care given to the design and shooting of the actual body horror. Smith blows his load halfway through the film and really has nowhere to go after that. Score for Tusk Movie 2/10 Origin of the Idea of Tusk The movie is based on a fake ad from Chris Parkinson from Brighton, England. He offered free rent to anyone willing to dress in a walrus suit and pretend to be the animal for two hours a day. The advert was a hoax, but after Smith discussed it on his Smodcast podcast with co-host Scott Mosier, he began to think about mull the idea of turning it into a feature film. “Something snapped in my brain, and it’s only happened one other time in my life.” That other time was 20 years ago, when “I wondered why people didn’t make movies about me and my friends talking about movies and pussy and ‘Star Wars.’ So I did, and it was ‘Clerks,’” Smith said. The Good Elements of Tusk Michael Parks is undeniably, a great actor, and he gets to display his talents well in this movie. Kevin Smith states that he wrote the film specifically for Parks, and wouldn't make it without him. My favorite moments in the film were him doing a little delighted dance watching his victim, and him yelling ferociously as a whining Justin Long. Spoilers for Tusk After multiple patrons and listeners requested, we sat down and watched Tusk on Netflix. We regretted our decision.

This film is all blubber and no craft. Kevin Smith proves his limitations with this failure of a body horror film. In this Tusk Review episode we break down what went wrong and what went right with the execution.

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Tusk Poster

Tusk Poster
Also, the face I would make if I was forced to watch this movie again.

Tusk Trailer

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Tusk Official HD Trailer

Tusk Movie Synopsis

This horror movie is brought to you by the same guy that brought you Yoga Hosers and Cop Out. He now brings you a body horror movie based on a joke craigslist personal ad. In Tusk, Justin Long, plays Walrus, I mean Wallace Bryton, who runs a podcast with friend Teddy Craft (Haley Joel Osmond). Their podcast is mostly based off of making fun of internet cringe videos, and as such, Wallace flies to Canada to interview this movie universes equivalent of the Star Wars kid.

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When Wallace arrives, he finds out that unfortunately, his interviewee has killed himself. Desperate to find material for their upcoming episode, Wallace then discovers a bizarre personal ad in the bathroom stall of a bar. He goes to meet an enigmatic retired seaman named Howard Howe played by Michael Parks. Mr Howard tells tale of his adventures at sea and of a particular shipwreck where he was miraculously saved by a passing walrus. Before long, Wallace finds himself drugged and captive to Howard’s twisted plot to recreate his walrus savior at Wallace’s expense. 

Short Review of Tusk

Sound interesting? It’s not.

Tusk is what you get when you make a movie based on a joke. The premise is entertaining enough for a fake trailer, but not a feature length film, and definitely not with Smith at the helm. I expected a lot more, but the commitment and budget did not pull off the intense and twisted body horror tale necessary to hold my attention. It was shot in 15 days with $3 million and it somehow feels more rushed and cheaper than that.

Check Out Our Review of IT (2017)

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/04/it-2017-review/

Instead of focusing on the dread of slowly being turned into a Walrus, Smith focused on creating a panoply of redundant characters delivering redundant dialogue at length. For a body horror film, there is very little care given to the design and shooting of the actual body horror. Smith blows his load halfway through the film and really has nowhere to go after that.

Score for Tusk Movie

2/10

Origin of the Idea of Tusk

The movie is based on a fake ad from Chris Parkinson from Brighton, England. He offered free rent to anyone willing to dress in a walrus suit and pretend to be the animal for two hours a day.

The advert was a hoax, but after Smith discussed it on his Smodcast podcast with co-host Scott Mosier, he began to think about mull the idea of turning it into a feature film.

“Something snapped in my brain, and it’s only happened one other time in my life.” That other time was 20 years ago, when “I wondered why people didn’t make movies about me and my friends talking about movies and pussy and ‘Star Wars.’ So I did, and it was ‘Clerks,’” Smith said.

The Good Elements of Tusk

Michael Parks is undeniably, a great actor, and he gets to display his talents well in this movie. Kevin Smith states that he wrote the film specifically for Parks, and wouldn’t make it without him.

My favorite moments in the film were him doing a little delighted dance watching his victim, and him yelling ferociously as a whining Justin Long.

Spoilers for Tusk

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The first thing you need to know about this film is that director Kevin Smith is a bullshitter, and he writes like a bullshitter. All of his characters sound like bullshitters, and it’s bullshit.

Much of this film is taken up with repetitive dialogue and unnecessary exposition.

Kevin Smith’s Failures

The direction on this film is truly terrible. Arbitrary flashbacks, forecasted super obvious plot twists, and terrible pacing marred the movie. But the real tragedy is the fundamental misunderstanding about what makes a body horror film work: dread, and disgust.

Check Out Our Review of Ready or Not

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/08/28/ready-or-not-review/

In terms of storytelling. the movie blows its load way too early. No care is given to extending out the dread or body transformation.

The main spoiler of the film is that Howard Howe surgically transforms Wallace into a Walrus.

The Walrus-Man Reveal

The reveal is terrible. It looks so much worse than I expected. If you were to imagine in your mind a human surgically turned into a walrus, take that idea, but then think of what a cosplayer of that idea at a Topeka, Kansas comi-con would look like. That’s along the lines of what the walrus-man looks like.

Tusk Movie Walrus
Parks and Long sharing a moment of regret for appearing in Tusk.

Smith made the worst possible decision, and decided to show the Walrus in flat medium to wide shots for the rest of the film.

Tusk Walrus Played by Justing Long
There it is, in all it’s… glory.

A note to future budget filmmakers: if you have a terrible cheap looking monster design, go the Jaws route and don’t show it.

Mocking Canadians. Lamely

Instead, what Smith focused his story on is lame humor mocking Canadians. Remember that Canadians say “aboot” and “eh”? Well, too bad, Kevin Smith is going to remind you how hilarious that is for an hour and 45 minutes.

Johnny Depp is in this film, and exercises a ridiculous, yet still unfunny French Canadian accent.

Johnny Depp playing a French-Canadian Detective in Tusk
The beret is a subtle touch.

The only real reason that Johnny is in this movie is because his daughter along with Smith’s daughter play clerks in a Canadian mini mart.

Depp and Smith's daughters in Tusk

One of the most interesting scenes is probably the one where Depp and Parks play opposite each other and compete to see how much of the scenery each of them can eat.

https://youtu.be/NPJPphUnM58
Again… subtle.

The ending features a fight to the death between Howard Howe in a Walrus suit and Wallace as the transformed Walrus monstrosity. Long wins. Who cares?

In the epilogue, Wallace is shown being visited by his former girlfriend and former podcast co-host who then toss him a fish to eat.

Final Recommendations

I can’t in good conscience recommend this movie. It is streaming on Netflix right now, so if you already have a subscription, you could watch it for free. However, you could save a lot of time by just fast forwarding to the scene where Wallace meets Howard, and the scene with the transformation reveal. Everything else is unfunny blubber.

Horror Movie News

  • Netflix released a trailer for “Netflix and Chills”, a special Halloween season release schedule of four original horror movies
    • In the Shadow of the Moon (9/27)
    • In the Tall Grass (10/4)
    • Fractured (10/11)
    • Eli (10/18)
    • Rattlesnake (10/25)
    • They are also advertising a special URL that will land you on all of Netflix’s horror offerings: https://www.netflix.com/netflixandchills
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Full Transcript of This Episode

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New theatrical releases always get priority, but we also review older horror movies both good and horrible, and I’m Davide man. I always need to put something somewhere. It seems, ah Welcome to horror movie talk. Before we get started, I want to tell you about this great website called Horror movie talk dot com. Do tell me more. It features past episodes of your favorite podcast horror movie talk, as well as links to social media and blog’s on horror movie topics. Yeah, it’s true. It’s true. Also has some links up with the top where you can help us out a whole bunch. But we’ll get into that later. You which is? We should do a whole. We should do this episode high energy like other podcasts. Okay, let’s do it. Let’s do it So we got everybody. If you’re new to horror movie talk, we post every Wednesday. So subscribing Smash that rating button. Bring that mouth smash the slap. That five star rating. We’re really, really. So if you love the podcast, check out positive. A cast from Davide, another podcast about positivity. Today we got a great show, David, What do you think? We’ve got a great show today. We got the best show, and one will be talking about us seemingly made for TV movie. We’ll be given a brief review and our score for the movie we scored on a scale of 1 to 10 1 being a miserable dread that make you angry. Five. Be an average film that hits all the expected marks and 10 being so good at transcends genre boundaries. What are those? I don’t know. Those are big words. After we give our score, we’ll get into spoilers and take a deeper dive into what we liked and hated about the food fil film move movie. My takeaway on this Is that your impression of professional radios? Are they are they? They talk so quickly that there nearly in conference about you’re just like Oh my God, there’s words coming at me quickly. Most most radio personalities probably enunciate. That’s that’s where they’ve got me. So, um, take a deeper dive in the light. What we like to hate about every move leader will be doing taglines choked on my coffee. Uh, would you be doing taglines and horror movie news? Oh God, those other podcasts that like our super high energy and it’s just one person talking after the other over. I just started listening toe last podcast on the left. They have, like the series on the Mormon religion, and it’s just like back. I don’t know if it’s the editing or they’re just like each just waiting to spring on each other after someone finishes a sentence. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it’s a strange thing. It’s like what you grew up listening to write, which is, like, for me. It’s Stern and Opie and Anthony and neither of those format and then Adam Corolla, you know, And none of those formats were ever, like, jump on you. Yeah, it somehow like there was there was like, there’s, like, a couple different echelons of radio, you know? And the echelon right below the the one that I like, Uh, which is, you know, just a talk variety. Our kind of thing is, you know, a professional deejay, right? Or just like a morning zoo. Yeah. Lower morning zoo. Exactly where it’s just like, Good Lord. Are you insane? And the answer is kind of Yeah, yeah. Anyways, we’ll have to do I That’s we’ll have to build up endurance. I think that’s a far as I can go today. I Yeah, I mean my sphincters a little wobbly after it’s it’s alarming having you and you haven’t even talked having you know it’s alarming because your energy is palpable and it’s not normal. Normally there’s a little bit of, ah, black hole on that, Andi. So I’m Ah, so right now I’m I’m a little overwhelmed. Okay, Um, so let’s let’s get into the movie. Um, I just want Yeah, my levels were right. So after multiple patrons and listeners requested, we sat down and watched Tusk. Yes, we did. Yes, we did. It’s available for free streaming on Netflix, and we regret our decision. What the fuck is the matter with you? People like you think we aren’t gonna go hard in the paint on you? We will wage war. All right, here’s the trailer. Always do sober. What you do drunk. I’m gonna teach you to keep your mouth shut up. Hemingway said that? Yes, he did. He said it to me. I don’t want you to go to Canada. Its form for the podcast. It’s what I do. I travel around and I interview weird or interesting people. So look out, you crazy. Canucks 100. Wallace takes a raunchy road trip up to the great White North. Hello. I have an old man who has enjoyed a long and storied life at sea and after e owns oceanic adventure. I know. I do not wish to spend my remaining years alone. Why have stories to share? How far is by frost from here? It’s about two hours from here to a dude two hours away. Hate American guys. Good evening. Nice to meet you. Could I interest you in some tea? So what happened after the boat sank? I was alone. I’m dead or something. Very swift and frightening. Moved by me. A walrus saved your life. The walrus is far more evolved in any man present company included. Thank you. You’re welcome. There, there. And we all ride Mr Tough. He hasn’t called me in three days. I’m worried. What? You really morning your humanity. I don’t understand the hell I want to be human back. Wait, So I think Yeah, watching that trailer reminded me why I wanted to see the movie. Because the trailer is actually pretty great. It looks like a very promising movie because it doesn’t show you. Oh, man. So this is this is a hit piece. This podcast right now, if you’re a huge fan of task Well, first of all, I don’t know if we can be friends. Yeah, second of all, we’re going to tell you why you’re wrong. Tusk is a horror movie brought to you by the same day that brought you yoga, hosers and cop out. He now brings you a body horror movie based on a joke. Craigslist personal ad. Justin Long plays walrus. I mean Wallace Brighton, who runs a podcast with friend Teddy Craft, played by Haley Joel Osmond. You remember him right there. Podcast is mostly based off of making fun of Internet cringe videos, and as such, Wallace flies to Canada to interview this movies. This movie universe is equivalent of the Star Wars kid. When Wallace arrives, he finds out, hilariously that his interview he has killed himself. Desperate to find material for their upcoming episode, Wallace discovers a bizarre personal ad in the bathroom stall of a bar, which is normally like a really good idea to respond to personal ads inside shady bars. Yeah, no, but this didn’t work out too great for him. He goes to meet an enigmatic, retired seamen named Howard. How semen way. We’re no better than the movie now played by Michael Parks. Mr Howard tells tale of his adventures at sea and of a particular shipwreck where he was miraculously saved by a passing walrus before long wallet walrus. Before long, Wallace finds himself drug and captive to Howard’s twisted plot to recreate his walrus savior at Wallace’s expense. Sound interesting? It’s not. I’m so irritated. I’m so fucking irritated right now. The fact that he named him Wallace like that just it Zez everything you need to know right there. What you just name be. Well, we’re going to turn him into a walrus, so it should probably name Wallace. At the very least, it should have been the last name Ready Should been like Robert Wallace. Test is what you get when you make a movie based on a joke. The premises entertaining enough for a fake trailer but not a feature length film. And definitely not when Kevin Smith is at the helm. I was expecting a lot more, but the commitment and budget wasn’t there. To pull off an intense and twisted body horror tale. The film was shot in 15 days with $3 million it somehow feels more rushed and cheaper than that. I’ll give him credit. 50 days is pretty quick. 15 days is very, very quick. Ah, the It’s impressive the talent that he was able to pull in, I assume, just with his name. Yeah, but, man, I I’d be surprised if he was able to do it again. This is a one and done kind of thing because anybody who catches wind of this well, he had already here and he pulled in Michael Parks for Red State. And he basically said that you wouldn’t make this film unless Michael Parkes played Howard. Um, and then Johnny Depp somehow got in this. The thing I found out is that those clerks in the minute mark the Canadian minute mark were Kevin Smith’s daughter and Johnny Depp’s daughter. So I wonder how much it’s like just a Johnny have time wanting to do something with his daughter. Yeah, you know, I don’t know if you’re going to get to the fact that this is part of, ah, like a light trilogy. Not really. I mean, yeah, so it’s kind of like a Canadian trilogy, and I can’t imagine how unspeakably unfunny the other ones are. But there’s yoga Hosers. There’s Tusk. And then there’s, um, most tooth or something like that. Something to be released? Yeah, there’s like Moose jars. Something with Moose. Yeah, okay, because Canada. So instead of focusing on the dread of slowly spoilers being turned into a walrus, Smith focuses on creating a panoply of redundant characters. They’re delivering redundant dialogue at length for a body horror film. There’s very little care given to the design and the shooting of the actual body horror. Shockingly, shockingly, A Smith blows his load halfway through the film and really has nowhere to go after that. It’s truly it’s like it’s shocking. It’s astounding that he’s, I mean, he’s not a bad story teller. No, he’s specifically a good storyteller. But I mean, does follow That guy does is the reveal is so bad. It’s just so bad. And then you’re just like, Oh, that’s That’s it, like that’s where that’s what we’ve got for this film. And then it’s just like all right now on to the interesting part. And let’s be clear, hilarious detective work, clean chewing Johnny Depp And let’s be clear, I was excited about this movie like I was like, Yeah, Tusk Let’s go. Yeah, I wanted to see this one for a while. It’s one of those that you’re like. I’ve heard about it like everybody has been, like, really seared that. Yeah, I’m really curious about it. See, that’s the thing. I haven’t heard people talk about it, and that’s usually what keeps me from seeing it. Like I’ll look at the trailer and say, This looks very interesting. I’m putting that on my cue. Who? But the thing that tips me over the edge to actually watching it is if someone mentions it in a good light. And I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone rave about the film or say that it was actually work worth watching. But now that we have a horror movie podcast, everyone wants this. Submit our time and brains, too. Yeah, the stuff that well, there’s a few things going on there, right? Like Okay, first of all, first of all, that there’s a few reasons why I think people referred the US to this movie and and I would like to point out that no one has has referred to me going. You’ll love it. There just been like they wanted to hear what we say. You please watch this. And then they slap it down on the table and slide it across to us and their eyes have some sort of weird, fucked up fire behind him. And we’re like, Okay, but so and then also, this is a movie about podcasters. All right, so now we’re getting a little meta with the people suggesting right? Hey, you should watch this horror movie about podcasters you horror movie podcast hosts. And so now we’re in too deep and and oh, man, I just had such high expectations because partially because of, like, the aftereffect, the afterglow that I had I still have for movies like Dogma and Clerks and you know, all my middle school chuckle fest bust, a nut and sort of sophomoric humor from Kevin Smith. I love a lot of Kevin Smith movies, but this is just unbelievably poorly done. Yeah, he is is not in his wheelhouse. Let’s just say that Yeah, he should be ashamed. Even even more recent ones that have been better. Not great, but actually interesting, at the very least, So red state was pretty good. That one with, um, Mallrats. No, not Mallrats. What’s the other one? There is Red State and the one that just the guy. I was pissed off it. Rude people. Yeah, I don’t know. I can’t write that one’s called anyways. Like Kevin Smith is hit or miss in my mind. Sometimes he tries to overstep his boundaries and try to be a little more ambitious than he has the capacity for. This is definitely one of those. Yes, this is pretty clear. Like I kept kept coming back to the saying, Oh, he’s trying to be a Quentin Tarantino in this, right? Like he’s trying to write dialogue like pithy dialogue, but he has no idea what that looks like. He just has no idea. He just can’t. Yeah, that’s my first point when we get into the spoilers. Um ah, but let’s talk about our score for the movie. Um, so with all that being said, all that being said, this was see, I was rested for this, like normally if I give like a really low scores because like, I just wasn’t paying attention because I was so tired. But this one, I I put down a three, and then I changed it to a two because I’m like, What? What was? I didn’t laugh at all in this movie. I might have laughed once unintentionally for an unintentional like funny thing. Just like, What are you doing? Like what the fuck not like, Wow, that’s shocking. Or that’s over the top. It’s just like, Wow, that’s really inept. But for the most part, I just got angry that the dialogue was so redundant and so repetitive and it was just It was really bad. It was bad. Now, now there’s a little bit of a letdown factor to this, right? This is not true. This is not a terrible, terrible, terrible movie. I understood in that I understood what was happening at any given point, right? So it makes sense in so far as what is trying to make sense at. It’s just a It’s just a ah slapdash movie put together by a notable filmmaker. Yeah, and a notable film maker who has a lot of feels from my childhood attached to him and a lot of expectation from me. So in that regard, it’s not a normal too. But I wouldn’t say you’re wrong because with great responsibility, with great power comes great responsibility. Kevin Smith. You should know this comic book enthusiast, slash writer, and I know D. C is more your thing, but, you know, you can you can take a little card out a spider man’s book. Thank you. So, yeah, I don’t have a strong opinion on this, which is probably more damning than anything. That’s like, I don’t give a shit what what we rate. This is definitely a a three. Definitely a three. Yeah, it’s just a let down. Yeah, I think I think the thing that pushed me over the edge from a 3 to 2 is, um, the dialogue is truly, like boring. It’s so good. It’s so the pacing is so bad, it’s very bad. And then an utterly fails at the genre of body horror up like it just does a very, very bad job falls flat on its face. It didn’t the The idea that this is Bodie whore is absurd. It it’s it’s body horror in husk like that’s the husk that this comes out in. But then it doesn’t do anything with the body horror genre. There is no man. I mean, I think about it. It’s not like you didn’t try and that there’s not, like the elements that are You would expect to be there, but they’re just pulled off so bad. Yeah, like the transition just happened way too quick. Quick. There’s no meat on those bones on that transition from, like, All right, now it’s happening. Your metamorphosis. The supposed to be the culmination of the whole movie. All the interesting stuff. All right. Okay. Throw that sock away. Yeah. Uh, yeah. He’s focuses so much time and energy on dialogue on unlike jokey, like tired, stereotypical jokes. And Jason Muse isn’t even in it. Like like, if you’re going to do that, at least have somebody who’s strange and interesting to watch. Do it? Yeah. You don’t think Johnny Depp is strange and interesting? It’s not that I don’t think Johnny Depp is strange and interesting. No, I don’t think Charlie to have a situation interesting, actually, now that you mention it. Okay. So, uh, let’s move on to spoilers. All right, so we’ve already talked about it, But there was one observation that I made about Kevin Smith’s dialogue style. And if you’ve listened to Kevin Smith tell stories for his podcast you mean you sh mod cast. You should know Kevin Smith is a bullshitter. He’s one of those guys that can tell a story that captivates your attention. But if you step back, you realize that it’s a lot of unnecessary information. It’s just a lot of color and not a lot of substance, necessarily right. And if you step back here like, oh, so you’re just you’re just kind of being awkward. Yeah, that’s that’s the takeaway. If you if you sift it, sift through all the bullshit is that it’s a very normal occurrence that happened. Well, you have. You have in, like, one paragraph. You’ve stripped him totally nude. Did it? Can you imagine how awkward something I don’t know. Maybe he’s so good at Deflection and that kind of thing that that this you know, if he heard your words, if he heard you say those things and they rang totally true, he would he would say, Oh, yeah, that’s absolutely 100% correct. Are you kidding me? That’s me. Yes, of course it’s me. Everybody knows that’s me. Good job, professor. And it’s like, um so as such. He he’s a screenwriter that writes like a bullshitter. Yeah, so all of his character sound like bullshit? Er’s. And in this circumstance, it’s bullshit. Well said, Um, he’s not. So here’s the difference between Quentin Tarantino and can’t believe Kevin Smith. They’re both very, very good talkers. That’s Tran. They’re both homely, homely, issue gentlemen, or have spent a good part of their life being not good, looking enough for the women that they would like to have right. Much like a lot of people. I don’t know if Kevin Smith likes to fuck feet, but I wouldn’t be surprised. Um, but Quintero, both of them when they’re writing the dialogue and the characters speaking the dialogue, are prone to sound like them. Like Quentin Tarantino, script sounds like Quentin Tarantino, right? And Kevin Smith sounds like Kevin Smith. But the difference between um, the dialogue is like I said, Kevin Smith is a bullshitter. And so the bullshitting comes through. But with with Tarantino, there’s like a vast amount of pop culture knowledge and nuance and like opinions and strong, intelligent and taste that comes through yeah, intelligence, Which is this laundry list of good things that that Quentin Tarantino has that Kevin Smith doesn’t. And yes, I I am constantly on Tarantino’s nuts. I don’t think he’s ever made a bad movie. Look, the the on Lee. I mean, even the most recent ones, which are not even necessarily my favorite, are better than 90% of any movies that have ever been made. Yeah, the problem is, and the thing that Kevin Smith would say in rebuttal to this is you’re comparing me to the best filmmaker of all time and thank you very much. And it’s like, Yeah, but shut the fuck up because it’s clear you were trunk like you were comparing yourself to Quentin Tarantino when you made this movie, and if you weren’t I mean, boy, it sure does look like it right. And then the other thing is outside of screenwriting. Quentin Tarantino is a master director, like if he was not a screenwriter, he could tell the story of any any script on film because he is excellent at directing and portraying the story in whatever genre he chooses. Yes, so it’s distinctly his, but also distinctly of the genre. And, ah, Kevin Smith obviously does not have that in his favor. He’s he’s kind of a one trick pony. If it’s like, you know, younger twenties and probably now, like middle age guy friends that are bullshitting and talking about relationships and, um, comic books, their inability to handle interpersonal conflict, then, yes, probably gonna be okay for Kevin Smith. But if he’s gonna do like a nuanced genre film, he’s just not going anyway. Moving on. So the origin of this film, the idea, actually came, um, about after a man in Brighton, England, put out an ad in this. It’s like a Craigslist type site called Gum Tree. Ah, he offered free rent to anyone willing to dress in a walrus suit and pretend to be said Animal for two hours a day. The advert turned out to be a hoax by a writer poet, Chris Parkinson. But after Kevin Smith discussed it on a smart cast with his co host, Scott Moy Mosier, he began a mole. The idea of turning in the turning it into a feature length film. Hey said something snapped in my brain, and it’s only happened one other time in my life. That other time was 20 years ago, when I wondered why people didn’t make movies about me and my friends talking about movies and pushy and star wars. So I did. And it was Clerks. Smith said. So, uh, that’s also probably something you’d say if he knew you made a piece of shit. Oh, is this Remind me the reason why I made this movie is it’s exactly the same reason as I made that movie that you actually like. Um, so I mean, I thought it was interesting. That is not even an original idea. It’s not like they they, uh, like improv it on the show. Right? It’s literally someone else’s funny idea. Inspired by yes, taking us, like, altered to there purpose of Reverend. Um, yeah, it’s, um and I can, you know, And in that format on, you know, as an interesting topic t bring up and talk about on on kind of an all purpose the topics podcast. This story is fun and works, you know, thing is exactly the kind of stuff you want to talk about. Bring up not the kind of thing you also want. I mean, you know what? Actually all even reverse that this could this movie. It could have been with this concept awesome. It could have you in your fucking awesome. Yeah, if you had given this movie to GM Road Del Toro? Yes. And he had the same budget. Three million? Probably even the same. Well, not the same script they have. Yeah. No makes no. Yeah, but if they gave this to, like, a really good body whore, direct or like Cronenberg or something, I wonder what Cronenberg could do with this on $3 million? I don’t know, but it be a lot better. This is the concept the bones of this thing could have been. The bones of this thing could have been Ah, could have been great. You could have had a really crazy cool story, but in effect, there was ah lot of blubber. There’s a lot of fat on the bone a minute. Okay, um so before going very much further, it should be said Michael Parks is the best part of this film. Oh, hell, yeah. He’s great in anything he’s in. Um, Michael Parks is kind of chameleon. You don’t really recognize him that much. That the part that I was like I was astounded at and I was a huge fan of them ever since kill Bill because and kill Bill. He played two characters on one in each film. The 1st 1 he was the sheriff that discovers the bride. Fantastic character outer. And then in the 2nd 1 he’s the, like cigar during Hunter. And, like, drug Lord pimp. Yeah, um, and they’re so different. And he was able to portray that. So each character so well that I had no idea that it was the same actor until the commentary. Yeah, he, um and that Honduran pimp, the the cigar sucking, kind of lazy eyed, lazy blinking it took place in. He was that same character in this movie. Basically, he was not far from it. Ah, yeah, yeah, we got a lot of the same affect. I got a lot of the same feel. It’s interesting that you I say that I didn’t I didn’t see that. This one is, like very much like it. Well, yes, he’s a distinguished gentleman. And both of them, Yeah, it kind of sits there and smokes and ponders and tells a story and right? Yeah, that’s yeah, it’s Ah, I see it now. Yeah, so that he’s the best part. The worst part is the direction is truly terrible. And and and the script s so there’s arbitrary flashbacks that tell super obvious twists And just fuck with the pacing so bad. Look, that you’re just like what? Why, though, like you, you know you have to leave the action. You need to leave like the tension of the the one storyline of him being held captive. You have to leave it for something else. And what he chooses to leave it for is just like who cares like it should. There’s sometimes, like, just kind of a template that you that you can use for the genre’s you know, you said, you have someone told captive, Um, something bad is happening and then the B story line is the people that love them notice that they’re gone and are trying to find out where they are. Yeah, like, that’s a very tried and true template, and sometimes you should just do that. Would you? Would you mind if so, So far we’ve just been ripping this thing apart, but we haven’t really given the basics of what happened in the in the movie. Would you mind if I ran it down real quick. Yeah, I mean, it’s pretty. It’s pretty basic. You go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. So this podcast, they, you know, they’re Why would they send one of the two guys? Who is the guy that they sent? What’s his Wallace Wallace. But what? Who? What is his actual name as a Justin Long? Justin Long. Thank you. You would recognize Justin Long. He’s the Mac guy. Yeah. And, um And so they sent him to the Great White North to interview a ah, viral video sensation who once he got there is revealed this kid killed himself. So now Justin Long has to has to find some other interesting story to talk about. So when he’s in the bar up in realize that if said all this in the synopsis, right? Oh, you did? I’m sorry. I was thinking about how horrible this movie. So the part that I haven’t covered is is when he gets there. Michael Parks. His character tells this story, and it’s kind of like, super interesting guy and Justin Long’s character, the podcasters like I could totally use. This is an air view. He gives him some tea, just tea, and then, as he’s telling him the story about being saved by this walrus and how important it was in his life. Justin Long faints clearly the whole time. It’s just very obvious that the tea is drug. It’s like here is some tea and just long is like I love taste. This tastes really weird. What’s in this Drugs? So and then he wakes up and very quickly you realized that well, I mean at right, as Justin Long’s character faints and it’s even in the trailer. Howard House. Howard How the character that that Michael Parkes Place says, you know, go to sleep, Mr Tusk. And so that’s the name of the Walrus that saved. And so it’s pretty obvious that he’s got out there very quickly. He’s got a thing for walruses and expends no time and just saying he’s gonna turn Justin long into a walrus, Right? That’s the premise of this film, and I think pretty much everyone that knows about this film knows that’s what it’s about. Yes, there’s a very thin veil of, Of like, Why am I here? How why why did you amputate my leg? And he’s like, Ah, spider bitch! It was a brown recluse, also known as the whole Both Spider and that bitch and I had to amputate. Will had to have your own a leg amputated. Hey, you know, you’re under some heavy sedation and then he wakes up again and he’s a Wallace. It’s like, Okay, like And that’s literally that’s literally the movie like we could stop with like we could. And then this friends find him and he’s made a full metamorphosis into this is I mean, there’s not even a slow. I mean, there’s like maybe two seems, but really so then there is a tremendous There’s like a 40 minute long dialogue with Johnny Depp, who’s who’s a detective who’s who’s hot on the trail. Canadian detective who’s hot on the trail of the serial killer who mutilates his but never sexually touches, which I don’t know why. That’s interesting. That’s anti interesting. He never, ever sexually gets. And so I mean, it’s not even like it doesn’t play at all with the body whore. It’s not, you know, which is also kind of a missed opportunity, in my opinion. Yes, they make a big deal. Okay, this is this is like a sidestep, but they make this big deal about showing the walruses Penis bone, yeah, on the mantel and talking about like a Penis bone penises in right. And they make this big deal out of of Howard of Mr Howard’s character getting just horribly abused when he was younger. And so you’d think there’d be, like, some kind of weird, deviant sexual thing like, No, that’s just just so stupid walrus suit. And then they fight. What’s the the So the main points of like about a body horror are he faints? He wakes up, his legs amputated. He’s like, What the fuck? And Mr Howard’s like, Ah, it’s just a spider And he faints, gets drug again and takes his other leg and kind of so’s his arms together. And then I don’t even think we see his reaction to that. Like we don’t see Justin Long waking up after that particular operation the operation could have been, could have been 10 minutes long and horrific, horrifically gory. Look, I’m not a body horn, and there’s like, two operations, but one of them doesn’t even matter because you don’t see his reaction to it. All right? And then there’s another operation where it’s like the full transformation and then the reveal immediate. I mean, it’s within a span of it happens at the middle of it. It’s like there is exactly three minutes of this body horror movie devoted to body whore like, and it’s an hour and 40 minutes long, and there is, I mean, that I don’t know if that’s the exact time, but that’s what it feels like. No, it is it. Like an hour 42. No, I mean the amount of time they spent on the body or yeah, yeah, it feels so insignificant to the amount of time. Yeah, and it’s e. I mean, look, I’m not a body horror guy. I don’t like it. I’m just saying, if you’re trying for that, just go for it. You do that? So, uh, so at some point, um, after he gets and his leg is amputated, this first leg is amputated. Wallace calls his girlfriend but doesn’t give an address or any useful information you are, which is great, which is a pretty lengthy call. It was like a you know, two or three minute voicemail, but he doesn’t like, say, this is the town. I’m in. Look, I’m pretty sure I can’t remember in my whole Social Security number, but the last four is definitely 44 to 1, and there’s no use it. She just gives her everything in the kitchen sink except right, all of the useful stuff. Um, we’ve already talked about how this movie blows. It slowed way too early. No care is given to extending out the dread or the body transformation. It’s it feels so insignificant. So let’s talk about the actual reveal and how terrible it is. It looks so much worse than I expected. I like. I’m still they spent. They spent so much camera time looking directly at this horrible walrus costume. I can’t believe it. It’s like $3 million. You imagine your head if you haven’t seen this movie and you? I have watched the trailer, doesn’t show anything. And if you were to imagine in your head, what would it look like if someone surgically turned someone into a walrus? Go ahead. I have that picture in your mind. Imagine a good movie was made out of that. Okay, Now imagine someone at the San Diego comic con did like pretty good cosplay of it. Okay, so put that picture in your mind. Okay? Now picture someone in like a Portland, Oregon comic con Ah! Ah, That’s the sauce play of it. A significantly smaller, less well attended comic con. Okay, now, now think of someone in like like Henderson, Texas, comic Con Forks, Washington comic con attended by six people. Okay, okay, that is the cosplay. The person that goes as cosplay for that That movie. That’s what the actual design looked like in this film. This is not an exaggeration. It’s It’s like a big latex. And the real damning part of it is how how he moves in the costume. They don’t go to any length at all to try and hide the fact that this is just basically a big plastic bag around around him. He’s like when he retracts his head into the costume it like and it’s and it’s just very clearly a big latex bag. Weird. Why would you show this literally looks like just latex foam? So it’s not even like he’s in a bag full of blubber? No, it just feels like Yes. Oh, it’s so bad. I can’t underline how bad it is. So in a circumstance circumstance like this, if you have a terrible, cheap looking monster design that’s not scary and looks ridiculous, you have to go the job’s route. You do not show it. You show it in flashes, right? You show like the aftereffects of its presence. Yeah, you show all these things fleeting but disturbing imagery. He tries to do that leading up to it. But even that isn’t super effective because it’s the design is so bad that it looks fake. Yeah, just it’s this is the other one. Okay, is the better analogy. Get rid of all the comic con cosplay stuff. All right, The costume looks like it’s from a Conan O’Brien sketch air We go. That’s that’s what guys made a walrus costume. Yes, unlike Late Night, Conan O’Brien’s like early Conan O’Brien with, you know, back when, uh, what was that pimp bought? 3000? Yeah, Or like the masturbating bear. So this is like minty, the candy cane that fell on the ground level. That scotch tape is involved. Yeah, anyways, and they just he just does not know how to shoot it or make it interesting at all. It’s looks like there is isn’t that scary? Now let’s just keep looking at it in a wide shot. I keep us. That’s the most interesting thing we can do. I keep wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt and say It’s it’s intentionally ironic, but it’s just intentionally shitty or even just the lighting If they let it different or this made of more like like slimy M or something, It was just so bad, and it happens at the midpoint of the film. It’s over at that point that there’s nothing left in your film and, like the Onley thing left and I’ll skip forward to the very ending. The Onley thing left is there’s a fight to the death of Justin Long’s character and Michael Parkes character, and Michael Park is dressed in a walrus suit, and it it is like as much as it would. It can redeem itself. It it kind of is interesting at that point, and then it dwells on that for like, half a minute, and then it’s over. OK, so where did the $3 million go? Bryce. So the maternity Where did it go? Did it go to the soundtrack to get that Tusks? Yes, exactly. Or but why the fuck did they go for the the like? That’s the layup like That’s the layup song go for I am the Walrus. If you got $3 million like, why are you? Why are you going with who’s saying that? Fleetwood Mac What? Where you going with Fleetwood Mac when you could have the Beatles? All right, I think it was a good choice. That’s that’s a great choice. It’s well for this movie because it’s a B side, but yeah, Kevin Smith even said himself that, like most of the budget, was spent on licensing that I mean, probably not a lot of the budget was spent unlicensed. Sing that song. That’s a pretty big song. We’ll see if we’ll see what get pulled off a YouTube for two and 1\/2 seconds of that. But ah yeah, it’s just so bad. All right, So let’s move on to some other things that the other bad things terrible jokes based off of tired Canadian stereotypes. Just not even interesting joke. Not even not. There’s no hey, did you know that Canadians say A and A boot and a boot did you know that it’s time that we know that they’re polite. This movie came out in 2014 in there, making jokes about that isn’t that funny? Let’s base an entire Let’s just really dwell on Canadian stereotypes and aren’t French Canadian hilarious. Let’s let’s put Johnny Depp in this. Do you care that Johnny Depp is in this Johnny Depp? Okay, No, First of all, no. You know what? You know what putting Johnny Depp in this movie does. It makes you go, Oh, shit. About 20 minutes into this to seeing that character you go. Oh, that’s That’s Johnny Depp. Yeah, he really was in a bunch of weird makeup and maybe a prosthetic, and I was like, Why are they making him up so much? Second, I didn’t recognize him, but then I looked. I’m like, Oh, it’s cause it’s Johnny Depp. By the time Johnny Depp shows up, the movie should be fucking over. But instead there’s 40 minutes left of Johnny Depp just kind of expounding on this serial killer who turns his victims into something we don’t know. What spoilers. It’s a walrus, Uh, and and then and then it’s just and then it’s just Johnny Depp. Just kind of just going to in the scenery. You sure in the senior is just just Johnny the ideas like, wouldn’t it be funny if Johnny Depp was did a ridiculous French Canadian accent? So So what? It turns out no, it’s not funny. Yeah, and what it accomplishes is like when the movie’s already over and you’re and you’re still supposedly telling a story, the audience halfway through goes, Oh, shit, that’s Johnny Depp and then gets on their phones to get on imdb to make sure that that’s actually Johnny Depp. So now you have half the audience just gone right? Oh, man, this movie, another be plot is Wallace is coupled it a cuckolded, edited by his friends and podcast partner, played by Haley Joel Osman. Do you care about that story line? I don’t except to say that Haley. I said this during while we were watching, but Haley Joel Osmond is just unfortunate looking because he looks like a child actor who grew up. Yeah, he’s He’s probably the most child actor that grew up pissed. Yeah, looking. I mean, Macaulay Culkin’s pretty close, I think the thing with Haley Joel Iseman. He’s still got I don’t want to, like, rag on somehow because mostly, like everyone looks like a weird version of the child themselves. Except you don’t actually get to know the weird version of Child. Exactly. Don’t see like you don’t miss the transition you see in the whole time. But with Haley, Joel Osmond has a particular thing where his face is very small. Yes, comparison to his head When he’s Yeah, it’s It’s strange because yeah, I don’t want a rag. He did a fine job. He’s Everything he’s been in has been great. He gave us six cents. Jesus Christ, like he was great. And, ah, most recently the boys on Amazon. You were telling me about that. You should watch that. But But all suffice does. Suffice it to say you don’t care about his story line or his character that gets way too much time, right? Um, talk about this. Briefly. Howard Howe was abused as a child by a community of pedophiles. Um, it feels like it’s what Smith is using as a reason for why he’s insane. Here’s Here’s the clip from From the Movie on. So for the next five years. I was beaten. I was tortured. I was raped. I had things in my mouth and no human being should have a taste. I never thought of you as a person. He just thought to use me. And usually they didn’t. Priests, politicians, interests, even the nurses. No night watchman alone. Which is all to satisfy the most peace, physical and financial desires through the rectum and lips of a child. Like I get it. You grew up Catholic, and you had a hard time because because And I mean, I like my heart goes out to anyone who was who was abused as a child. Like 100% right don’t like. And? And the whole point of this movie, like the through line on this movie, is like, Why would you want to be a person? It would better. It would be better to be just something as a name as a walrus, Right. But ah, boy, man, you could do a lot. You could do a lot more footwork. Yeah, it feels it feels a lot. It feels pretty cheap. Using that is like a plot point, but not actually like attaching it to anything other than just People are bad. Yeah, And again, like my heart goes out to eat to Kevin Smith. Like, I’m sorry for what happened here legitimately, but this was this was a bad way to do it. Yeah. Um, the scene with Johnny Depp and Michael Parkes is probably one of the most interesting parts of the movie. But I’m not going to say it’s good. It’s It’s meta interesting because they’re two actors just absolutely chewing the scenery. It’s Johnny Depp doing a ridiculous French Canadian accent and Michael Parkes doing like a almost touched. Yeah, he was a bit Southern American type accent. Yeah. Um, here’s Here’s a clip of that. Just to give you a taste. I have it. Here it is. Good afternoon. Tea, sir? I am Philip went So do kid Dick. Oh, Did you come here by a biter? You come here about the spider? Yeah, Yeah, Yes. Ah! All right. So this movie is basically a much worse version of the human centipede. But you brought this up while we were watching it. I just wanted to briefly touch on what human centipede did better. Ok, One of my favorite films. Yeah, human centipede is Bryce’s baby. Yeah, so Human Centipede drew out the explanation of what the doc was going to do. The people so part of, like the’s body horror movies, especially with a insane scientist, the draft is the insane scientist, explaining exactly what he’s going to do to you and why that’s like we’re half the horror comes from where you realize this guy is fucking insane. Yeah, and you have to sit and watch and see his delight at his idea. Yeah, it’s It’s the Clockwork Orange thing where they’re prying your eyes open and making you watch something you don’t want to watch. And it completely doesn’t do that in this film, um, human centipede. There’s a much slower passage of time and showing of the recovery process of the surgery, which is also like, just horrifying but also very interesting. And it just shows, like a lot of like, what would this actually be like? I just don’t want to watch him and send a beat so badly, and then the the tone. This is where, like just why it’s such a glorious fill. The tone I was trying to write down what the tone of human centipede is, and it’s so difficult to say exactly what it is. I imagine it’s It’s like hell on earth. It’s played so straight and committed. It’s so committed and but somehow still over the top. But it’s not like hacky. Uh, it’s it’s over the top and how much it’s playing it straight, right? It’s like it’s like saw if saw took itself even more seriously. So it just underlines the ridiculousness of the premise. And it feels like it grounds this horrible idea in this ridiculous premise in reality, which makes it horrifying, Um, and a really focused on the horror of the protagonist situation and Tusk like it just says like this happened. But it doesn’t really dwell on what the protagonist thinks about or they’re actually experience. It just it just shows them any screaming. That’s it. It’s silly that I mean, that’s all the years shown about, like, his experiences that it’s done in the East any any. He doesn’t like it. Yeah, um, the ending with the walrus duel to the death, it really could have been great. It was an interesting idea. Having Howard in like, another walrus suit and try to battle to the death with their tusks, but again felt firmly right on his face. From the directing standpoint, the choreography is terrible, like it’s literally just like if you’re lying next to each other and just kind of like rolling into each other. Yeah, that’s that’s it like and if that’s if you’re limited by the costumes, okay, that’s fine. But try to shoot it in a way that it looks like there’s something happening other than that. And it just didn’t. I just looked like I felt long, like a medium shot or a wide shot of them kind of nudging each other. And then it ends with Justin Long, like tackling the guy and stabbing him with his tasks is and it’s just that’s that’s and then another ending is tacked on with the girlfriend feeding a fish to him. And this is actually we missed it if we had listened or if we had watched all the all the credits. So we’ve been treated to this clip from the smog cast when they’re discussing the third, okay, we skip we skipped all the way to the very end of the of the credits because it looked like there was a like, there was a scene at the end. And they’re waas. Yeah. Welcome this podcast. I’m Kevin Smith. Scott Mosier. Oh, shit. All right, So here’s the third act. He then goes and puts on his suit, you know, made of human skins. And so you realize he’s done this before? Like, I’m not the first lodger and shit like that. So he’s in it. You’re in yours, and you guys have to have one. Morris fights on the beach. Always love each other on you. Start like we start saying is man indeed a walrus it hard. You ultimately get him and fuck, I think what has happened at the end is that once he makes that switch, yeah, he can’t go back like the clinic for the criminally insane or somewhere. And you see, you know, like his buddy, he’s got something wrapped in a newspaper. You know what’s going on? Yes, eyes awesome. And it is like it’s like another walrus enclave. A better version of where he waas because he realized they can’t reverse the process. Yeah, he’s funny. He’s got even in his head. He’s gone full walrus and he throws in the fish and then fucking the walrus man scurries over to it all gross and starts biting at it. The ground they play like some sad piano music roll credits as we pull back in this overhead watching fucking this facial, there’s a song that’s just like big sender in your way. Need a hashtag for this conversation. Needs to grow to hash tags. I am Field that inside. So this actually parlays nicely into something I was. I was mentioning about this movie. It’s written as a comic book. This this movie would work as a comic book very well. And by the way, if you’re not familiar, Kevin Smith does author comic books, and he’s good at it. Ah, really good at it, because because of that dialogue, you just heard that all plays very well on the page because it needs to be obvious. It needs to be exposition, all dialogue. It needs to be all of these things. So if you’re looking for good Kevin Smith comic books, go check out, I think, uh, he has a green arrow. One called my quiver or something like that. Check out that grate shit, not tusk. Yeah, um, to me the best possible ending would have been if they had just put him back together if they just like, yeah, put that, too, and just had him horribly like mangled and stuff. But that would be like the only thing they deem it like have a modicum of redemption for this film is if they just did something as ridiculous is like Oh, yeah, and then they just put him back together. And now he’s like, just a human again. But he’s got legs again, but instead they the most ridiculous. Like I get it like I like. I get the ironic, sad irony of putting him in a in a basically 1\/3 rate zoo in the middle of Manitoba somewhere. But it’s not. See that’s the thing like it goes from again that works in a comic book. Really well, it’s is like, Oh, he’s a walrus. He’s full walrus now, but like you never felt like he was still a human after the reveal anyways. And it’s yeah, and it’s not like it’s not like it’s wasted on me that this was just a goofy goof that was meant to be fun and funding for you to make. But, you know, I mean, presumably people paid to see this. It’s just a giant. Well, not a giant piece of shit. Not a lot, because it is the final bullet points. So $3 million was the budget, and the cumulative worldwide gross was $1.8 million. I’m sure they’re making that up on the back end because it’s been on Netflix for years. I don’t think they make millions of dollars from Netflix, though. I don’t know how. I don’t know. I mean, this is the kind of movie that the buzz around it before it was so large about like, how ridiculous would this movie be a movie about someone turning into a walrus? But you would assume that it would be able to make $3 million But it didnt mostly because anyone that saw it probably told other people, Don’t go see It is bad if I recall human center peed. That was actually so that was released in still in the era of I think that was, like 2007 or eight or nine. Yeah, maybe maybe even six, because I remember walking through the, you know, the Hollywood video and seeing, you know, a wall of human centipede, DVDs and being like, No, thank you. But but But then, you know, I mean, it really kept go like the the hype train for human centipede kept going because it was available was one of the first titles available when Netflix went streaming, I believe. And ah, and so I don’t know, I I don’t know what what? My point is on that other than to say, Ah, I think there’s a definite lane for this kind of movie and it be interesting if it was done right if there were more like human centipede. Not that I’m interested in watching them, because you but But this is very easy to stomach. In my opinion, this tusk is just Ah, yes. So we had two people request this, and I think they’re both patrons. I think a couple other people that were just reached out to some social media said, Check it out. So, um, we need more people asking for human centipede so I could make David watch it because he does not want to watch a video if you want us to review human centipede send us Ah, Senate Seema Info horror movie talk dot com or reach out on Facebook. Okay, so let’s move on to final recommendations. Who do you think should watch this Brown? Just just don’t pull a father like this is one that you should just search for clips on YouTube. Just get get the idea. Probably believe the only scene. I mean, it’s on Netflix, so you can skip through it. The only scenes that are interesting are the scene where Wallace and Howard are talking. When the introduction and an hour talking about his past and then him fainting skip forward to the reveal. Yeah, and that will give you a taste of, like, how much quality this movie is. Everything. Everything else is totally dispensed. Maybe maybe the very end, maybe, like the walrus fight and then the end scene with them feeding the fish Like it? Yeah, really? It’s only two things that it is on Netflix. So if you are watching looking for something horrific Ah, thio be on in the background. It is getting towards October. So I guess you could Yeah, this is but also the witches on Netflix. So watch for real I would rather watch the witch, like, five more times than watch this. Yes, but first time. Yes, but you don’t want you like you want to soak in every second of the witch. This you could just put on in the background. That’s right. Yeah. Maybe you could watch it while you’re working. Um, okay, So final recommendations is just, like, just don’t this problem, really? Don’t. Who would like it, though? Like whose? It would be a big fan of this. Oh, Kevin Smith. Fanboys mostly, uh, or, you know, people. I mean, this is one of those ones that’s a really low bar of entry into body horror. So if you if you like full moon production stuff, if you like, Just like absolute shitty horror movies to make fun of, This is Ah ah. Maybe close to that. Yeah, but but the So here’s here’s an interesting thought. So in order to get this made or gauge responsiveness of like who would like to see this story? Kevin Smith started a hashtag campaign of walrus. Yes. And hashtag walrus. Yes. And hashtag walrus. No. And and so you know, we could Dio is we could start that that campaign right back up and just ah, tweeted Kevin Smith hashtag walrus. No, just just light him up and and, you know, tag us horror movie talk in there and let’s see if let’s see if we can get Kevin Smith angrily rant and give us exactly what we want. Some some time on from his valuable is super valuable podcast This month, the podcast mum cast So, uh, so hashtag walrus. No. Yeah. Um, okay, let’s move on Thio Games and bits. New Way never did the mid roll. I don’t think so. We didn’t do the middle. So Hey, guys, if you would like to support the show if you if you find this funny or interesting or even annoying, you can go ahead and head on over to our website at horror movie talk dot com, check on out at the top of the page there. If you want to become a patron, that helps us out a whole lot. 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If you like streaming horror, it’s the best way to go for sure. Um, finally, we’ve put a call out to ah to call for writers for our block if you’re interested in writing about horror movies, um, and horror movie topics not necessarily reviews, because that’s what we do in the episodes. But horror movie topics um, we’re accepting submissions reach out to us on Facebook or Twitter, and we’ll be happy to see what you got in. We could give you suggestions if you can’t come up with an idea. Yeah, and we’ve had some people reach out to us, and I’m super excited because it sounds like they are, you know, horror connoisseurs. And and so they have some interesting content coming your way soon. All right, let’s move on Years, tagline. Taglines is a game where we come up with alternate taglines for the movie we’re reviewing. So I’ll go first. You go first, actually. Yeah. Okay. Tusk. It takes a bite out of your time. Ah, Tusk. You’ve heard the saying that this cat has claws? Well, this walrus has heart tusk touching tale of a man who loves a walrus and a man who is a walrus. Dusk, Thea Oscar goes to Justin Long. He was He was shafted that year, man. I mean, he really should have got it. Yeah. I mean, how are you supposed to act with your tongue? Cut out Tusk Human scent ap Sorry, Tusk Human Centipede without all the fixings. Tusk. At least we know that Kevin Smith has less money to make movies like this Now Tusk picture a 10 minute long story stretched out in the one hour and 40 minutes and Oh, yeah, Johnny Depp That’s all I got. I got some more. OK, go for Tusk. It could have used Jay and silent Bob Tusk. I think a tusk the same way I think of people with blue hair. It’s just like, Oh, it exists. Yeah, look atyou. Let’s not interact with it. Let’s I know everything I need to know about you now. Oh, I was thinking like elderly people. Blue hairs like blue hair. No, I’m talking about, like, dyed blue hair. Okay? Yeah, It’s just like, Oh, yeah. And you all have the same picture. We’re all thinking of the same person. Um, I think I have one more. Ah Ah, yeah, I don’t actually, if they this would have been a very interesting film if it was a Jay and Silent Bob sequel, right? If it was silent Bob, that was turned into the walrus. Whoa, Dude, look at this crazy crap is going on over here. And that’s this. Worst J was just like observing. Yeah, Yeah, I really could have called him Fat boy. Okay, last bit. Gonna talk some horror movie news s so we don’t have to cover all of this. I’ve put a bunch of quotes in here If there’s anything interesting that we actually want to go deeper into. Netflix is S O Netflix just released a trailer for their Netflix and Chills event kind of event things. So it’s a special Halloween season release schedule of four original horror movies who so first on September 27th they’re gonna put out in the shadow of the moon. Um, but but but but s. So it’s like a serial killer movie. That’ll be I’m excited for a serial killer movie. Yeah, they’ve got a lot of serial killer content on Netflix should. And if you, if you start watching like mine, Henderson will forget about it. You’re like the algorithm will be like, Oh, you like serial killers. Here’s Here’s all the fucking serial killers. It’s just like every TV anyway. Um, on October 4th, they release in The Tall Grass, which is based on a novella by Stephen King and Joe Hill. So if any of these jump out at you that you want more information, anything, people being sure we could read the synopsis, but I don’t really care that much. No running Over Fractured will be released on October 11th. I don’t know what fractions about on. Then Eli, released on October 18th is about something, and then rattlesnake. We’ll be released on October 25th. It’s also about something also about presumably a rattlesnake. I think I think fractured has someone recognizable in it. Okay, you go, you’ll figure it out. Um, so So this is notable because Netflix does know how to do horror movies. Like if If you remember about this time last year, maybe November last year we reviewed the ritual, which is, Ah, horror movie done by Netflix. Great. Just Ah, really? Yeah, there’s there’s there’s been some good content put out on Netflix. The ritual The Apostle is probably worth watching, Even Bird Box and the profound bird bird box was fabulous. We’ve reviewed all of those, um, so yeah, they’re kind of going a little deeper into horror. They actually released a special you Earl that will land you on all of Netflix’s horror offerings. If you go to dub dub dub dot netflix dot com slash netflix and chills. It’ll just put you on the landing page for the horror genre. That’s just a quick if you want to simulate shudder. Yeah, through Netflix. You could do that. But why would you want to do that? You know 30. 40 trial by using HMT. Um so well, in the in the poster, this episode will put ah link to the YouTube trailer for that Netflix and Chills event. Next item synapse Films Bringing is Bringing Dario are Gento, Suspiria to four K ultra HD in November on November 19th 2019. That’ll be cool and be a full restoration fork. A restoration of the uncut, uncensored Italian 35 millimeter negative with color correction supervised by cinematographer Luciano Tivoli, Jonno and ah, but but but But it’s a great I don’t think I’ve actually watched the original yet, but we reviewed the remake, which is apparently nothing like the original. I’ve seen bits and pieces of the original, and it is effective. There’s a reason it’s good. Yeah, special features. We’ll include two audio commentaries by authors and our gentle scholars, Derek Botello and David Dill, Vala Troy Howarth. Whatever. Um, bunch of other special features. 123456 Like six notable special features. You can check it out. We’ll put ah the list on the post for this episode. John Carpenter’s Halloween is returning to select theaters beginning September 27th. Yeah, this will be This will be huge. Yeah, it’s ah restored and remastered digital prints, and it was created under the supervision of world renowned cinematographer Dean Cundy. Um, so that will be interesting. Actually, I check the schedule and it’s gonna be a Kiggens theater. Oh, shit. Which is interesting, because last year we went to kick ins theater to watch the original Halloween, but was put up put on by just a local podcast here. Yeah, a small cast, if you will. A, uh, it’s the podcast called the horror killer. I’ll, um, you check them out. Um, if you’re interested in that, get tickets at www dot cinna life entertainment dot com slash events Last Halloween. Another news item. Brendan Fraser is all in for a new mummy movie. Should the opportunity present itself. Shocking Hollywood collectively replies. Yeah, we know guys, just if anything was going on over there like anything at all, I’m really I’m just really excited about whatever it is you’re excited about. Yeah, and it seems like the most likely thing of that is the moment. So it’s like if Christopher Lloyd said, Hey, guys, I’m all for doing another back to the future sequel if you if you need me like yeah, we know, like obviously way, we know that you’re not doing anything. You would make a great that right. We’re not doing that right now or it’s like the Bill, the Bill and Ted’s excellent adventure sequel that’s coming up the not Chiana Reeves guy. It’s probably like, Oh, thank God that it is. I thought that was an interesting but I I don’t understand what brought in and Frasier did to fall out of. I think he was. Well, uh, he got he got fatter and uglier, lost his hair, But George of the Jungle, though Yeah, well, I was never a huge Brendan Fraser friend. To be honest, I didn’t mind him. He hit me. He hit all the expected marks. For what about Monkeybone? Bryce monkey pants. Just always like I could always expect. Kind of kind of not that funny, but goofy but passable. I gotta fuck that’s that’s That’s where he’s at. I got a fun recollection of high school where I was like trying to be a human being for a moment. You know, where I was, like, I don’t know how to be like you people. So let me. So I got one of those three ring binders that had, like, a clear sleeve for the, you know, to put whatever it was. And I was like, Oh, kids are like displaying artistic things on their binders, saws. They just printed out a giant picture of Brendan Fraser. It’s alarming how close you are. So I had a subscription to PlayStation magazine, and in it was a an ad for a wacky looking movie that I had never seen or really heard of. But it was called Monkeybone, and it had, like, a weird little suggestive themes and and kind of fun little. So I took an Exacto knife and cut out all the little little portions of this, including Brendan Fraser and and the wording Monkeybone at the top and displayed them at is like a shadow box at the front of my three ring binder. And then kids just called this was like sophomore year. And then I was Monkeybone. Wow. How much did you regret that after watching the film? I was I was bought and I was like, This is how I do it right? And they’re like, Yeah, look at you. Stupid. No book. I was like, Okay, I’m doing it. I think I’m fitting. So you go Really was like, I got my niche. Now I’m monkey find monkey book like that. I didn’t even like I knew it wasn’t quite, like matching up with how later art being artistic work, right? But it was It was the best. I had, like a right. Nice. And now you have a fair to middling podcast. Showed all of them fuckers. Who’s Monkeybone now? Idiot. Um, speaking of shudder, we weren’t speaking to shutter, but we’ve mentioned them. So should have released a trailer for an original film called Blood Machines. The trailer looks is actually really interesting. It’s kind of like it’s a cosmic horror movie that looks a lot along the style of, um, Mandy. Lots of color, but kind of cosmic or elements will link the trailer on the post to crowdfunded English language French production that follows to space hunters who witness a mystical phenomenon when they see the ghost of young one crawl out of a machine they destroyed. That sounds like right up my alley in the Like that I love the cosmic. Or that’s my favorite. No, no release date as of yet, but go check out the trailer is pretty interesting. We’ll have it on the post for this. This episode at horror movie talk dot com Andy Machete details to deleted scenes that would be part of a potential supercut of both it movies. So I think we mentioned this on the last episode that that Andy Machete has said that he’s interested in doing a supercut where he combines both it films into one gigantic, like six and 1\/2 hour long movie. He talked about two scenes. There’s a scene in the 16 hundreds. These decided not to put in to the film because it was a little confusing would touch more on the origin story of Pennywise. He also talked about a deleted scene where the celestial turtle ner known as mature in an ancient figure who appears in King’s It novel as well as the dark tower. So Okay, good cuts. You know, it’s interesting. Actually, the Pennywise origin stuff might might have been interesting, but ah, yeah, that Z is interesting when you have, like, a two hour and 45 minutes. What? What is cut like At what? At some point, your leg Was there anything that hit the cutting room floor other than his feet on DA And, you know, it’s interesting to it. Chapter two is getting a lot of flack right now for not being LGBT friendly. The Pennywise air Pennywise was very homophone is not, As it turns out, he’s a bad guy. Yeah, he’s not. He’s not accepted. He’s fired. I can get on board with the eating children part, but I draw the line at homophobia. Why would you want him to be inclusive of any part of you? Why would you want him to be on your side anyways? Um, cut more things. Amanda Seyfried is in talks to star Netflix’s horror thriller Things Heard and Seen, uh, which is a movie that could be directed by Sherry Springer. Berman and Robert Pulcini, who were directed her, were nominated for an Oscar for American Splendor. Did you ever see that movie never did. Paul Giamatti as the famous comic book writer. I can’t remember his name. Do you have a good? Do you have a good impression of him of Paul Giamatti? Yeah. No. Okay, I just can’t stop thinking of I can’t remember who it is that does all the Paul Giamatti impressions. I think it’s on the Adam Corolla show, but where it’s just, he’s just on injury. Think I from private parts basically a pig pig vomit. Big moment. Anyone’s that’s That was a really good movie, so this might be like a pretty good movie. The story, a story of things Heard and Seen, centers on a young couple who moved to farm near a small town in upstate New York. Their new home is cursed by the murder of its former owners, and as haunted secrets revealed themselves, the husband and wife’s own marriage reveals itself to have it darkness of its own. Stop it, Um, okay, a couple. Just two more things and we’re gonna go. Toni Colette, our favorite from hereditary, joins the cast of Guillermo del Toro. Is it guilt? Gilera? Guillermo, this is saying it right. This is the most difficult region ever done. Toni Collette are fair from her secretary, Gilma de Toro’s. It’s only hard because because Bryce Hansen is reading it. He’s a mealy mouth piece, a shit Guillermo del Toro’s Nightmare Alley, the next movie being directed by Guillermo del Toro. And it’s an adaptation of the novel by William Lindsay Gresham, which was published in 1946. The novel spawned its first feature film just one year later, starring Tyrone Powers and blah, blah, blah, blah blah. Who cares? Uhm, Tyrone is like the strongest name you could give a child. Well, other than Murdoch, Murdoch is fucking strong to my. My youngest middle name is Murdock on Lee because I couldn’t convince Errand to give it as his first name. But if there was any kid that was named Murdoch, would it not be calling totally would be column is such a fucking Murdock? Yeah, we’re over at your home, Murdoch. We were over at David’s daughter’s birthday, her third birthday last week last week, and your sister in law Look at Colin. It was like, How old is he? Was like, Oh, yeah, This month, he’s gonna turn to She’s like God, he he’s not too yet because he was standing next to Charlotte’s bigger than my three year old. Yeah, he’s just and my three year old is not small like she dwarfs a lot of these way fi kids like there like she’s, she’s I mean, she’s not thick or anything like that. But she’s she’s not a small girl. Yeah, if you were to, like, take a normal sized three year old and like having put their arms down to their side. If you were to, like, draw a rectangle around their shoulders and the arms of their side, widen it by about like an inch, that would be just Collins chest. Absolute unit. Um, he’s wide so that that Nightmare Alley notable also in the cast is Bradley Cooper, Cate Blanchett and Rooney Mara, and sounds like a really good cast. That’s gonna be huge. That could be good, of course. Like I don’t know, Bird box and And the perfection had a really good cast, too. But they’re like, Dude, what do you talk about Bird Box? And is he was huge. Do you remember that? Like this head of steam on that? Yeah. No, I mean, I guess I like both of those films. I like Bird box. A lot is a phenomenon. Uh, okay, So, sadly, Final final. No, The nail in the coffin finally dropping a movie pass shuts down with its parent company citing failure to raise funds on Friday movie past notified remaining subscribers All you bless your heart for still subscribing a movie past. I’m sure they’re very, very shocked at this, but they’re going to shut down. Service is effective September 14th. So it already happened. As of this podcast release, um, its efforts to recapitalize movie pass have not been successful to date. Um, and even even with movie passes of evident demise, I read the press release. It’s actually, like, kind of bittersweet. I kind of felt bad for him because they mentioned that they really did change the movie industry. The yeah, yeah. They in effect accomplished their purpose one year ago. This time one year ago, we were we were subscribed to it. Yeah, it was great for like, a week. And then, like they the shit hit the fan in terms of capitalization and they just could not provide. Service is I think It was just kind of off and on for like, actually providing the service that they promised. But even with movie passes evident demise, the service’s spurred theater chains, including AMC Regal and Cinemark Tow, launch their own rival subscription plans. And last month, Emcee said it. Stubbs A List program, which lets subscribers see three movies weekly for 20 bucks a month, had hit 900,000 subscribers. See, here’s my here’s Here’s My Angle. I’m going to try and get a M C on board. Tiu sponsor us to sponsor them. T sponsor that their service? Because Because, let me tell you, Bryce AMC already sponsors the show. There, they own shutter. That’s true. So let’s let’s got to have some sort of hashtag walrus. Yes, or horror movie talk? Yes, for AMC HMT sponsorship. Yes, yeah, we It would be so sweet Thio to get some sort of deal going. Let’s do Let’s start the hash tag. AMC hashtag AMC sponsorship for HMT now. Yes, don’t do that. We’ll think about it and we’ll get back to you with something that might actually work. Or if you work for AMC Corporate, you just drop him a line and tell us to contact us. That whatever. Um, whatever. That’s our show for today. Oh, it is not. I would like to say thank you to a few people. Jeannie Borland, who gave us a stellar review on Facebook, Who’s like these guys. Brightened my bright my drive Every time I’m going to work, I’m like, Hey, Janey, Thank you. Yeah, it’s really nice. We really appreciate you and listening to us and the nice words that you said about us And also her birthday was Friday the 13. Wow. Dude, I wonder if she’s still with us. Do you wish we had planned? Still with us? Yeah. I mean, your birthday on Friday the 13th. They’re gonna make it out of that. 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After multiple patrons and listeners requested, we sat down and watched Tusk on Netflix. We regretted our decision. This film is all blubber and no craft. Kevin Smith proves his limitations with this failure of a body horror film. After multiple patrons and listeners requested, we sat down and watched Tusk on Netflix. We regretted our decision.



This film is all blubber and no craft. Kevin Smith proves his limitations with this failure of a body horror film. In this Tusk Review episode we break down what went wrong and what went right with the execution.







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Also, the face I would make if I was forced to watch this movie again.



Tusk Trailer




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Tusk Movie Synopsis



This horror movie is brought to you by the same guy that brought you Yoga Hosers and Cop Out. He now brings you a body horror movie based on a joke craigslist personal ad. In Tusk, Justin Long, plays Walrus, I mean Wallace Bryton, who runs a podcast with friend Teddy Craft (Haley Joel Osmond). Their podcast is mostly based off of making fun of internet cringe videos, and as such, Wallace flies to Canada to interview this movie universes equivalent of the Star Wars kid.





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When Wallace arrives, he finds out that unfortunately, his interviewee has killed himself. Desperate to find material for their upcoming episode, Wallace then discovers a bizarre personal ad in the bathroom stall of a bar. He goes to meet an enigmatic retired seaman named Howard Howe played by Michael Parks. Mr Howard tells tale of his adventures at sea and of a particular shipwreck where he was miraculously saved by a passing walrus. Before long, Wallace finds himself drugged and captive to Howard's twisted plot to recreate his walrus savior at Wallace’s expense. 



Short Review of Tusk



Sound interesting? It’s not.



Tusk is what you get when you make a movie based on a joke. The premise is entertaining enough for a fake trailer, but not a feature length film, and definitely not with Smith at the helm. I expected a lot more, but the commitment and budget did not pull off the intense and twisted body horror tale necessary to hold my attention. It was shot in 15 days with $3 million and it somehow feels more rushed and cheaper than that.



Check Out Our Review of IT (2017)




https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/04/it-2017-review/




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It Chapter Two Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/11/it-chapter-two-review/ Wed, 11 Sep 2019 07:01:03 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=2883 We saw It Chapter Two, and I have to say, I can make plenty of criticisms about this movie, but on the whole, this is a well done ending to a high budget franchise that has delivered the scares. Skip to Intro - 0:28Skip to Trailer - 4:09Skip to Synopsis - 06:36Skip to Review - 13:07Skip to Score - 15:25 Skip to Spoilers - 24:09Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:14:10Skip to Horror or Porno - 1:15:00Skip to Outro - 1:31:17 It Chapter Two Trailer https://youtu.be/xhJ5P7Up3jA It Chapter Two full movie is available to pre-purchase and rental on Amazon, and probably other places It Chapter TwoWatch the full movie of It Chapter TwoRent/Buy on Amazon It Chapter Two Synopsis If you would like to be reminded of the first chapter of this series which is also directed by Andy Muschietti, check out our review from last week, where we go over the whole first chapter. It Chapter Two picks up 27 years later and details the lives of the kids turned adults from the first movie. As a quick recap, our character list is: Bev - The girl in the group played by Jessica ChastainBen - The fat boy/new kid turned CEO hunk played by Jay RyanBill - Stutterer turned author played by James McAvoyRich - Biting wit who wears glasses turned Comedian played by  Bill Hader Mike - Token black kid who stayed in Derry played by Isaiah MustafaEddie - Munchausen by proxy kid turned Munchausen by proxy adult played by James RansoneStan - Feeble Jewish kid turned feeble Jewish adult played by Andy Bean Mike, Rich, Bill, Bev, and Ben, but no Eddie... Mike, has begun to notice nefarious happenings in Derry and as you might guess, it’s been 27 years since the Loser’s Club made their pact to fight It if it ever came back. Mike sends the call out to all of his long-lost friends, and they respond with dread, but come home anyway.  Check out Our Review of It (2017) https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/04/it-2017-review/ The Loser’s Club has a cloud of forgetfulness that has descended upon them in the time since their Derry days, and Mike, being the only member to stay in Derry has to help them recall what happened and how they can beat it. As the Loser’s Club sets out on Derry, they are reminded of the reason they left, the clown, the fear, and the life they left behind. It Chapter Two Movie Review It Chapter Two is similar enough to the first movie that you can rely on many of the same things that worked. The intense subject matter, your mom jokes, and the camaraderie are all there. We even get the kids cast back for a bounty of flashbacks and memories. It also has a hefty bag of very effective scares, that are less frequent, but more potent. "How about a hand?!" No thanks PW... Where It Chapter Two differs is the length and interesting subject matter. At 2h 49min, It Chapter Two is more than a half-hour longer than the first entry. I’ve never been a fan of long movies because at the 2h 30min mark I just feel like any reasonable story can fit everything and the kitchen sink in there. My mind wandered multiple times through the emotion-driven dialog, and it was a bit boring. I wasn’t a big fan of the action-laden ending either. That being said, this is a solid horror movie that may be one of the most successful franchises ever, and it’s not without good reason. The cast, acting, direction, and story are great. There is fun to be had, and the scares are for real. I wish they kept it tighter. Score for It Chapter Two Movie 8/10 Spoilers for It Chapter Two Introduction to Our Adult Characters It Chapter Two opens with a few recollections from the first movie, including a shot of Bev in the trappings of the Dead Lights, but the most notable first scene is the savage beating on some gay men in Derry. These men are having a fun time at the local carnival and are then picked on by the local hate group. The group beat one of the gay men to the point that everyone in the audience w... We saw It Chapter Two, and I have to say, I can make plenty of criticisms about this movie, but on the whole, this is a well done ending to a high budget franchise that has delivered the scares.

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It Chapter Two Trailer

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It Chapter Two

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It Chapter Two Synopsis

If you would like to be reminded of the first chapter of this series which is also directed by Andy Muschietti, check out our review from last week, where we go over the whole first chapter. It Chapter Two picks up 27 years later and details the lives of the kids turned adults from the first movie. As a quick recap, our character list is:

  • Bev – The girl in the group played by Jessica Chastain
  • Ben – The fat boy/new kid turned CEO hunk played by Jay Ryan
  • Bill – Stutterer turned author played by James McAvoy
  • Rich – Biting wit who wears glasses turned Comedian played by  Bill Hader
  • Mike – Token black kid who stayed in Derry played by Isaiah Mustafa
  • Eddie – Munchausen by proxy kid turned Munchausen by proxy adult played by James Ransone
  • Stan – Feeble Jewish kid turned feeble Jewish adult played by Andy Bean
Most of the adult cast of It Chapter Two
Mike, Rich, Bill, Bev, and Ben, but no Eddie…

Mike, has begun to notice nefarious happenings in Derry and as you
might guess, it’s been 27 years since the Loser’s Club made their pact to fight
It if it ever came back. Mike sends the call out to all of his long-lost
friends, and they respond with dread, but come home anyway. 

Check out Our Review of It (2017)

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/04/it-2017-review/

The Loser’s Club has a cloud of forgetfulness that has descended
upon them in the time since their Derry days, and Mike, being the only member
to stay in Derry has to help them recall what happened and how they can beat
it.

As the Loser’s Club sets out on Derry, they are reminded of the
reason they left, the clown, the fear, and the life they left behind.

It Chapter Two Movie Review

It Chapter Two is similar enough to the first movie that you can rely on many of the same things that worked. The intense subject matter, your mom jokes, and the camaraderie are all there. We even get the kids cast back for a bounty of flashbacks and memories. It also has a hefty bag of very effective scares, that are less frequent, but more potent.

Pennywise the clown offering a helping hand
“How about a hand?!” No thanks PW…

Where It Chapter Two differs is the length and interesting subject matter. At 2h 49min, It Chapter Two is more than a half-hour longer than the first entry. I’ve never been a fan of long movies because at the 2h 30min mark I just feel like any reasonable story can fit everything and the kitchen sink in there. My mind wandered multiple times through the emotion-driven dialog, and it was a bit boring.

I wasn’t a big fan of the action-laden ending either. That being
said, this is a solid horror movie that may be one of the most successful franchises
ever, and it’s not without good reason. The cast, acting, direction, and story
are great. There is fun to be had, and the scares are for real. I wish they
kept it tighter.

Score for It Chapter Two Movie

8/10

Spoilers for It Chapter Two

Introduction to Our Adult Characters

It Chapter Two opens with a few recollections from the first movie, including a shot of Bev in the trappings of the Dead Lights, but the most notable first scene is the savage beating on some gay men in Derry. These men are having a fun time at the local carnival and are then picked on by the local hate group. The group beat one of the gay men to the point that everyone in the audience was audibly uncomfortable. Then they tossed him into the river, where, you guessed it, Pennywise was waiting for him. 

Pennywise the clown with crazy pointy teeth
Time to see the dentist!

This scene
was somewhat out of place but extremely notable. I get it, it’s meant to set up
that fear is back in town. It shows that this movie is about brutality. It just
didn’t involve any of the main characters at all, and it felt strange.

The movie
then brings us up to speed with every character in the Loser’s Club – that’s
right, all seven of them. This is a theme in the movie, “let’s check in with
Bill for five to ten minutes.” which would be fine if there weren’t six to
seven people to catch up with the whole way through the movie. 

Thankfully,
Stan takes pity upon the audience early in the movie and kills himself in the
bathtub when Mike calls him to tell him about the return of Pennywise. 

Midsommar! One of the Best Movies this Year!

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/07/10/midsommar-review/

The Loser’s
Club has become an adult version of themselves. Bev is in an abusive
relationship; Eddie basically married his mom and does risk assessment; Rich is
a comedian. 

The old
Bowers boy was arrested as a youth after killing his father and has been placed
in a prison for the mentally ill. His inclusion in this movie is another point
that could have easily been left out, and the movie wouldn’t have suffered.

The Chinese Restaurant Scene

The Loser’s Club meets for the
first time in years at the Chinese Restaurant in Derry where they quickly fall
into their childhood roles of your mom jokes and noogies. Then the fortune
cookies come out, and things get crazy. Fortune cookies start running amok, and
Mike is left smashing the place up, it’s funny.

It Chapter Two Pennywise smiling a sinister smile
“Heya Bill!”

Finding the Artifacts

Each of the Loser’s need to find their artifact or the thing that ties them to It. Mike basically leads them down the path toward defeating It, and it begins with his knowledge of how It got here. He talked to a Native American tribe, the Shakopee, that had passed down how to beat Pennywise down through their tribe ever since he showed up like a ball of light from outer space in the previous century. They beat it with the ritual of Chud making the light, dark. 

It Chapter Two Scary Grandma
Hey Gram, tell me about Derry.

So, the friends split up to find their respective totems and artifacts. Beverly heads to her old apartment where she meets with the new resident, a kindly grandma who has some strange hostess habits.

Rich heads to the town square park and has a run in with a Paul Bunyun statue that knocked my socks off. I mean, it scared the shit out of me.

Bill finds his old bike for sale in an antiques shop run by Stephen King himself and then runs into Pennywise a few times in the sewer, and a carnival.

Eddie visits the town pharmacist to find the most unsanitary conditions I can imagine in the backroom. There is a vomit comet – it’s super effective.

Eventually the characters find their artifacts and totems, and they are:

  • Bill – Paper boat
  • Eddie – Inhaler
  • Bev – Note from Ben (She thinks it’s from Bill)
  • Ben – Yearbook page Bev signed
  • Rich – Token from arcade
  • Stan – Head wraps from hideout
  • Mike – ? – Mike’s artifact might have been a newspaper clipping detailing his parent’s death

The Action-Laden Ending

I won’t go into terrible detail about the end of this movie, so if that’s something you are dying to hear about, listen to the podcast. What I will say is this movie takes a hard turn when our group goes to confront Pennywise in his lair below the sewer system that they defeated him in in the first chapter. It turns into a spooky action movie.

It Chapter Two Dead Lights little girl

Look, I get it – it’s what happened in the book. Fine. They even set up the weak ending for the whole damn movie by constantly saying that Bill writes weak endings for his books. Bill is the Stephen King stand-in that he includes in every book. It wasn’t super effective for me and it lasted at least ten minutes longer than I felt it needed to.

That being said, it worked to an extent and stayed true to the source material. It’s not like you can just rewrite the ending to perhaps the most iconic horror novel ever written and not get any flack. Plus, what would you do if you went off the source material? It’s already so deep into a weird place that IT may as well be a giant spider!

The group defeats it by shouting it down, minimizing their fears, and taking the bite out of the things they are most scared of.

Final Recommendations for It Chapter Two

If you are a horror fan, this is one of the biggest titles there is, period. It’s not only big, it’s good. The scares are real, the story is compelling, and there are plenty of laughs. Catch this in theaters, and if the thought of a (near) three hour long movie make you tired, bring a pillow because you will still have fun.

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It Chapter Two Synopsis



If you would like to be reminded of the first chapter of this series which is also directed by Andy Muschietti, check out our review from last week, where we go over the whole first chapter. It Chapter Two picks up 27 years later and details the lives of the kids turned adults from the first movie. As a quick recap, our character list is:



* Bev - The girl in the group played by Jessica Chastain* Ben - The fat boy/new kid turned CEO hunk played by Jay Ryan* Bill - Stutterer turned author played by James McAvoy* Rich - Biting wit who wears glasses turned Comedian played by  Bill Hader * Mike - Token black kid who stayed in Derry played by Isaiah Mustafa* Eddie - Munchausen by proxy kid turned Munchausen by proxy adult played by James Ransone* Stan - Feeble Jewish kid turned feeble Jewish adult played by Andy Bean



Mike, Rich, Bill, Bev, and Ben, but no Eddie...



Mike, has begun to notice nefarious happenings in Derry and as you
might guess, it’s been 27 years since the Loser’s Club made their pact to fight
It if it ever came back. Mike sends the call out to all of his long-lost
friends, and they respond with dread, but come home anyway. 



Check out Our Review of It (2017)




https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/04/it-2017-review/




The Loser’s Club has a cloud of forgetfulness that has descended
upon them in the time since their Derry days, and Mike, being the only member
to stay in Derry has to help them recall what happened and how they can beat
it.



As the Loser’s Club sets out on Derry, they are reminded of the
reason they left, the clown, the fear, and the life they left behind.



It Chapter Two Movie Review



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IT (2017) Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/04/it-2017-review/ Wed, 04 Sep 2019 07:01:44 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=2839 In preparation for IT Chapter 2 coming out this week, we watched IT (2017) as well as the 1990 Miniseries starring Tim Curry. If you haven't seen IT and are a horror fan, you are probably in the minority, since it (IT?) is the highest grossing horror movie of all time. Skip to Intro - 0:33Skip to Trailer - 6:36Skip to Synopsis - 09:17 Skip to Review - 09:57Skip to Score - 13:55 Skip to Spoilers - 22:17Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:23:39Skip to Taglines - 1:24:20Skip to A Chat with David's Wife about Horror or Porno - 1:27:00Skip to Outro - 1:31:17 IT 2017 Poster We watched It. We already have seen it, but we watched it again. It was good. We liked it. IT THE MOVIE! https://youtu.be/hAUTdjf9rko IT is available to rent on Amazon Prime, Youtube and other places probably. IT (2017)Watch the full movie of IT (2017)Rent/Buy on Amazon IT 2017 Synopsis IT (2017) is a total rip off of Stranger Things. It features a group of boys in the 80s who discover a young girl with the special power to give them boners. Actually, IT (2017) is based on the Stephen King novel “IT”. The film follows “the losers club” which is a motley crew of six young boys and a girl who find themselves haunted by Pennywise the Dancing Clown played by Bill Skarsgård. Pennywise is very literally dread incarnate, and torments the group of kids with their worst fears. Upon research, the group finds out that Pennywise has been tormenting and killing children for millenia.  IT Movie Review The film tackles the source material admirably. It’s hard to capture on screen the concept of the monster being fear itself. You get a real feeling of dread throughout, and it remains one of the best group coming of age stories, second only to King’s other adaptation: Stand By Me.  Check Out Our Review of Ready or Not https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/08/28/ready-or-not-review/ I’m glad I got to watch this again, because my first viewing was so colored by my nostalgia for the 1990 TV miniseries starring Tim Curry. And while I still do like the direction of the Pennywise character a little better in the miniseries, I think that overall IT 2017 is a far superior film. We watched the miniseries to be able to compare it to this film and the upcoming Chapter 2, and I don’t know what to tell you, it does not hold up. https://youtu.be/cmOLwrvH-Ag?t=61 My favorite Pennywise scene in Stephen King's IT (1990) IT 2017 is one of the best mainstream, general audience horror movies to come out in the last decade. Director Andy Muschietti keeps most of the dread from the source material and includes some modern production and jump scares to appeal to fans of the Conjuring universe. Overall, I really liked it even more the second time. This film has probably the best child cast of all time. Comparisons are readily made to Stranger Things (especially since Finn Wolfhard is in both) but the acting from these kids in IT (2017) is far superior in my opinion. Score for IT (2017) Movie 8/10 Check out our review of It Chapter Two https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/11/it-chapter-two-review/ Spoilers for IT Expand for Spoilers The opening scene with Georgie losing the paper boat that Bill made for him. This is the scene that really sells every version of this story, whether it's the novel, the miniseries, or the modern iteration. The main difference here is that Muschietti leans into the "hard-R" when Georgie's arm is graphically ripped off by Pennywise. Georgie, giving Pennywise a hand. Pennywise isn't the only danger in IT. Henry Bowers and his gang torment the group of friends on the regular throughout the film. And torment is putting it lightly. Henry doesn't just bully them, he tortures them. In another scene that shows the commitment of making the film a heavy into the paint of an R-rating, Henry deeply carves his initials into poor Ben's stomach. All of a sudden, In preparation for IT Chapter 2 coming out this week, we watched IT (2017) as well as the 1990 Miniseries starring Tim Curry. If you haven’t seen IT and are a horror fan, you are probably in the minority, since it (IT?) is the highest grossing horror movie of all time.

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IT 2017 Poster

We watched It. We already have seen it, but we watched it again. It was good. We liked it. IT THE MOVIE!

https://youtu.be/hAUTdjf9rko

IT is available to rent on Amazon Prime, Youtube and other places probably.

IT (2017)

Watch the full movie of IT (2017)

IT 2017 Synopsis

IT (2017) is a total rip off of Stranger Things. It features a group of boys in the 80s who discover a young girl with the special power to give them boners.

Actually, IT (2017) is based on the Stephen King novel “IT”. The film follows “the losers club” which is a motley crew of six young boys and a girl who find themselves haunted by Pennywise the Dancing Clown played by Bill Skarsgård. Pennywise is very literally dread incarnate, and torments the group of kids with their worst fears. Upon research, the group finds out that Pennywise has been tormenting and killing children for millenia. 

IT Movie Review

The film tackles the source material admirably. It’s hard to capture on screen the concept of the monster being fear itself. You get a real feeling of dread throughout, and it remains one of the best group coming of age stories, second only to King’s other adaptation: Stand By Me. 

Check Out Our Review of Ready or Not

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/08/28/ready-or-not-review/

I’m glad I got to watch this again, because my first viewing was so colored by my nostalgia for the 1990 TV miniseries starring Tim Curry. And while I still do like the direction of the Pennywise character a little better in the miniseries, I think that overall IT 2017 is a far superior film. We watched the miniseries to be able to compare it to this film and the upcoming Chapter 2, and I don’t know what to tell you, it does not hold up.

https://youtu.be/cmOLwrvH-Ag?t=61
My favorite Pennywise scene in Stephen King’s IT (1990)

IT 2017 is one of the best mainstream, general audience horror movies to come out in the last decade. Director Andy Muschietti keeps most of the dread from the source material and includes some modern production and jump scares to appeal to fans of the Conjuring universe. Overall, I really liked it even more the second time.

This film has probably the best child cast of all time. Comparisons are readily made to Stranger Things (especially since Finn Wolfhard is in both) but the acting from these kids in IT (2017) is far superior in my opinion.

Score for IT (2017) Movie

8/10

Check out our review of It Chapter Two

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/11/it-chapter-two-review/

Spoilers for IT

Expand for Spoilers

The opening scene with Georgie losing the paper boat that Bill made for him. This is the scene that really sells every version of this story, whether it’s the novel, the miniseries, or the modern iteration. The main difference here is that Muschietti leans into the “hard-R” when Georgie’s arm is graphically ripped off by Pennywise.

Georgie from IT 2017 Review
Georgie, giving Pennywise a hand.

Pennywise isn’t the only danger in IT. Henry Bowers and his gang torment the group of friends on the regular throughout the film. And torment is putting it lightly. Henry doesn’t just bully them, he tortures them. In another scene that shows the commitment of making the film a heavy into the paint of an R-rating, Henry deeply carves his initials into poor Ben’s stomach.

All of a sudden, the gimmicky side kicks obsessed with fire or belching seems strangely out of place. But, come on, who doesn’t like a character named Belch?

Belch from IT (2017)
BRRRRAAAAAUUUUUUPP

The Losers Club Fears

Throughout IT, there are scenes that show the different fears of the Losers Club.

  • Bill’s fear of actually accepting that his brother Georgie is dead.
  • Mike’s fear of burning alive like his parents
  • Stanley’s fear of a creepy painting
Creepy painting coming to life in IT
Stanley’s creepy painting coming to life.
  • Ben’s fear of the headless kid he discovered during researching the town’s history.
  • Bev’s fear of the sink
  • Eddie’s fear of germs / Lepers
  • Richie’s fear of clowns

Some of these work better than others. Stanley’s creepy painting feels like it is straight out of The Conjuring. Wait… It is taken straight out of the Conjuring.

An oil painting of the Nun
Look Familiar?

Richie’s fear of clowns also felt very tacked on. It seemed like an excuse to include a room full of clowns.

Ben’s fear also felt kind of tacked on, but at least it made sense in the moment. As he was researching about the town’s past tragedies, he notices a decapitated head in a tree.

Can we also just take a moment to point out how shitty the librarian is for encouraging Ben to stop studying and go play with friends?

Librarian from IT 2017
Why you reading tho?

The Ending of IT 2017 Explained

The ending of the film is very satisfying. The children realize that Pennywise has no power over them as long as they aren’t scared of him and realize that everything he throws at them is an illusion.

As Pennywise’s power is sapped from him, they proceed to kick his ass and free all the children that are floating in his lair. Unfortunately, they all seem to be already dead.

They all float down there
Hey… I guess they do all float down here.

Final Recommendations for IT

I definitely recommend watching and even rewatching IT (2017) , especially as the sequel is coming out this week. It is a horror movie of the highest caliber, that doesn’t shy away from shocking you with violence against children.

Transcription of the Episode

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This episode of horror movie talk brought to you by seat creep, the best app for buying tickets to sporting events and concerts that you never had a chance to buy. What’s that? You say you were on the ticket master site and ordered the second they went on sale and nothing good was left. That’s because we bought them within nanoseconds of them going on sale so no one else could go ahead and cry to Ticketmaster. They’re in on it, too. Sure, you could buy the tickets that are left at the back row behind a pillar, but you know you’re going to buy from a scalper. Might as well be from us because fuck you. Hello and welcome to horror movie talk and opinionated and accidentally funny horror movie review Show your panel of experts. Hosts each week are Dr Bryce Hansen, who holds a phD in Spook ology, and Professor David Day, the foremost expert in Scare No nose. New theatrical releases always get priority, but we also review older horror movies both good and horrible. I am Bryce Hanson and I’m Davide, and we’ve been having technical difficulties. Yeah, man, it’s been an hour of trying to get things set up, right. And now I have to get up again and adjust my I’m so irritated, and it’s gonna be a great episode. Okay, Yeah. We have two identical mike’s that I’ve had since, you know, for, like, a decade. But I haven’t really used until now. And one of them just shit the bed for some reason. So we could really use some more patriotic of you. Anyways, uh, we got a great show for you today. We’re gonna be talking about it. 2017 2017 0 I thought we were talking about sex. Oh, no, no. This little episode have been prayer Parent for the wrong thing on. Do that, though, before we get into it. I just want to plug our website horror movie talk dot com. There you can find links to our social media and various links to podcast subscription platforms. We post every Wednesday, so subscribe. And if you use iTunes Sorry. Use apple podcast. Leave us a rating. Also, our good friend David Day has a podcast on the side called the Positive A cast. This is a short daily podcast where I just tried to inject your day with some you know, some good feelings and rights groups, retreats, talking about making people feel good, talking about making yourself feel good. And just generally, you know, getting your day started off for ended off, right? So and it’s actually it’s been doing pretty good since the Rice Krispie treat debacle. Things have been picking up quite a bit so again today we’re gonna be talking about it. The movie from 2017. We’re going to start out by giving a brief review and our score for the film. We scored on a scale of 1 to 10 1 being miserable and ah, 10 being so good at transcends genre boundaries. And five just being a completely average film that hits all the expected marks. Yeah, you guys know how one through 10 works after we give the score will get into spoilers and take a deeper dive into what we like and hated about the film. And then later we’ll be doing perennial favorite bit tagline haggling. Hey, um you know, uh, we kind of I wanted to do another round of horror or porno, which is probably my favorite bit that we’ve ever done from our last episode, but it might be like to. Well, first of all, I didn’t have enough time to prepare for it. Because we’ve spent It’s a very, very, very useful time watching the miniseries from 1990. So it was worth it. And ah, but also having it back to back, You know, we don’t want to fatigue. Well, I mean, that’s like a special. That’s a special game, you know, though, I do it next time, you know, But that ready That last episode that we released, ready or not is I mean, so we’re recording this, you know, obviously, before you’re listening to this, we don’t do this list. Isn’t life? I thought this was radio. It’s just how time works. You do things before they happen, as and sometimes as they’re happening anyway, so that the past is more past In the past, we had this debate earlier, but ah, no, the ready or not episode it is on track to be one of our very best downloaded episodes ever. Um, and, uh, even that one had a debacle around it. We’ve had a Yeah, my wife. Rough technical issues Week. My wife is Ah, potentially thinking about stopping by because she’s so angry about Hori horror or porno. Uh, she I I started playing it for her, and she was like, This is fun. And then ah, and then it got to a point where she was like, I do not I no longer support you doing this show anymore because she was so upset so she might stop by on this episode. And ah, and let us have a piece of her mind. We’ll see. Ah, so moving into the review, he watched it. We already have seen it, but we watched it again. It was way liked it. If the movie it was it was good, it was good. Yeah, it was pretty good. No, it we have to emphasize it s episode. It was good, right? Just like on the miniseries in the nineties miniseries. They really hit that it hard. Yeah, by the way. It’s like I said earlier. Defeat it. Like Bryce said earlier, we we just got done last night watching the longest fucking movie of I’ve ever seen ever. Well, it’s supposed to be watched in two parts, which we actually kind of did. But the miniseries from from 90 and we’re gonna be releasing an episode where we go over that dredge, um, for our patri on members and man, that that thing is just packed full of nostalgia. And I mean, that thing is, that thing is the thing that movie studios tap into when they’re like, we gotta make stranger thing, pull out the footage. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, here’s the trailer for it. 2017 near kid universes rolls around. You think that you’ll always be protected and cared for, Then one day, you realize that’s not sure. Because we near alone as a kid monster. See you is weaker. You don’t even know they’re getting closer until it’s too late. Yeah. Did you get my grandfather thinks this town is cursed. That all the bad things that happened in this town because of one thing and evil thing. So is he looking with me two? I saw something. Clown. Yeah, I saw him too. What happens when another torch goes missing one of us? We’re just gonna pretend it isn’t happening Like everyone else in this town. If we stick together Wait. Yeah, but yeah, flow. So it is available to rent on Amazon prime. That’s where we watched it. It’s also in YouTube and probably other places. Probably, you know where you get movies. It 2017 is a total rip off of stranger things. It features a group of boys in the eighties who discover a young girl with the special power to give them boners. Actually, 2017 is based on the Stephen King novel It. The film follows the Losers Club, which is a motley crew of six young boys and a girl who find themselves haunted. Bye Pennywise, the dancing clown played by a Bill scars guard, Pennywise is very literally dread incarnate and torments the group of kids with their worst fears. Upon research, the group finds out that Pennywise has been tormenting and killing children for millennia. The film tackles the source material admirably. It’s hard to capture on screen the concept of the monster being fear itself. That’s kind of the idea that Stephen King was going for just that feeling of. I think the opening sequence is the best illustration of that of Georgie going down a dark stairway into the basement to get something. Yeah, because I think that’s like a universal fear. Yes, that everyone experiences in childhood where you don’t know what you’re scared of. But it’s there. But whatever it’s going to get you, it’s like whenever you whenever you think it’s gonna get me What what is that? And that’s what Stephen King is trying to use as the monster in it. Yeah, Irrational fear. All right, Um, so the film, that’s pretty good of capturing that idea. You get a feeling of dread throughout. It remains one of the best coming of age stories, second only to King’s other adaption. Stand by me. I mean, I think it’s you know, I mean, there’s several that have done done it. Now it’s it’s hard to think of one. I mean, they think one better than stand by me is like the pinnacle obvious like I can. But that was that was the whole purpose of that, right? Where is that? This is not necessary so much. This is That is a nice sidebar in it. I’m glad to watch its watch this film again, because my first viewing was so colored by my nostalgia for the 1990 miniseries starring Tim Curry. And while I do like the direction of the Pennywise character a little better in the miniseries. I think that the overall IT 2017 is a superior film. We watched the miniseries to be able to compare it, and, ah, to to this film and the upcoming sequel that’s coming out next week. Yeah, for us. And ah, I don’t know what to tell you. It does not hold up the miniseries. No, there’s there’s some great ideas and there is some still impactful scenes and and visuals. But it doesn’t hold up in terms of like a film for a lot of reasons, though, right? I mean, it’s not easy. It’s not fair to compare either the production value and it’s a TV show. It’s got every excuse in the world to be just awful, just very, very bad. And it’s not. It just doesn’t hold up very well. It was a miniseries made for TV in 1987 that released in 1990 and so and we’re watching it. I understood why it it impacted me, impacted me so much when I was, I guess I was eight. Yeah, and ah, that’s just that’s just prime time for being impressionable and like, wowed by anything. Yeah, but anyways, it is definitely, Ah, better film, mostly because it’s, you know, great production value, but also because it’s a hard R. Yeah, yeah, a really hard arm. Yeah. Ah, 2017 is one of the best mainstream general audience horror films that’s come out in the last decade. Oh, easily, and the the box office numbers show that it’s it’s still the highest grossing horror film of all time. That doesn’t surprise me one bit. Ah, director Andy Mu Shu knew she Eddie keeps most of the dread from the source material and includes some modern production and jump scares to appeal to fans of the conjuring universe, which I’m not always a huge fan of. But it was. It was upon second viewing. It wasn’t as agree, just as I remember it. It was kind of sprinkled throughout its not, ah, 100% jump scares. Overall, I really liked it. I liked it even more the second time. Watching it, I give it a score of eight at a 10. I think that’s the score that I expected from you, if not a little lower, even like just Ah, knowing, uh you and how you work. Um, but for me, this this was such a it was like it was like a signal that horror was back, like, not just back, but like big, you know, like this. Like they’re so there was so much about the release of this film that just ended up like delighting me because it was like, everybody was excited for this. It was like, remember it Because because And we’ve been discussing this coming up t this to this moment and you know it the book waas I mean, probably still is the biggest horror novel ever. Yeah, it was a huge phenomenon. Yes, and I think the only one that rivals it is this the shining right? Yeah, but but doesn’t even like it is. One of those is one of those titles. And one of those you have the image of the the book seared into your into your memory because it was everywhere. It was in everyone’s house. Everybody was interested in whatever this weird thing was, and ah, and so it was a phenomenon back then, And this movie tapped right back into that and got all those people re excited about all this stuff. And so it was. And then the movie itself was so much fun for me and went so hard in the paint on the rial, disturbing, um, content that that you would hope it would write It didn’t it? Didn’t shy away from anything. Well, it shied away from something, right that no. One. It’s my understanding, though, that that that that stuff that really blew stuff may be present in the second installment. Yeah, I guess we won’t go into spoilers of the novel, but we’ll talk about in a spoiler section. But there’s if you read Stephen King. You know, he is kind of a weird sex pervert. There’s always a weird sexual element. There are, like, some subtle, I mean, maybe not to settle. There’s there’s some sexual kind of content, and and, uh, in this film, but not what’s in the novel. You know, a lot of illusion, allusion, illusions off, you know? Yeah, touching kids and weird shit and ring. Ah, but But it adds that really unstable feeling terror element to to the movie. And I think for me, I think this is ah nine. And when it was released, it was probably 10. Well, how do you go down? Because it is not a fun movie to necessarily to rewatch for May I know this was a really great movie on first viewing, like it’s just doesn’t have very much replay value for me. Um, and I realized that even in the theater as I was watching, it was like, There’s not gonna be a second time for this because it is a jump scare factory and all the things that worked really well for me were those were those big, horrifying jump scares. Yeah. No, I mean, I think I think nine is fair, but I don’t know. I understand that, like most people would read rate this like a nine out of 10. But for some reason, it just It just doesn’t make it there for me. Yeah, I know. 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But even with that and with this being a shorter month and last month in terms of how many episodes we released, we’re still almost common amount of downloads that we had last month, which is huge. So thank you. So thank you again. So, yeah, let’s talk about it. What about it? Let’s talk about it, baby. Okay, Talk about you and me. Let’s talk about all the bad clams. S o. The opening scene of it is probably the strongest of the movie, and it’s really what sells the whole story. And it’s surprisingly consistent between the book, the miniseries and this movie. But as it works its work so well, he actually does. Here’s ah, here’s a clip of Pennywise and his introduction here is it. Here we go. Hi, Georgie. What a nice you want it? Please look like a nice boy. But you have a lot of friends. Three of my brothers. My best. Where’s sick? Could you come up? I don’t give a about You want to join? I’m not supposed to take stuff from strangers. Oh, well, I’m penny wise and allow. Ready wife George. Georgie, meet penalize way on strangers. And then here’s since I pulled it. Here’s the Ah, 1990 version for comparison. Hi, Georgie. You’re going to say hello. Oh, come on. Don’t you want a very wise of your dad, Georgie? Every wyszynski I joined Pennywise dancing around you are, Georgie. So now we know each other. Yes. Yeah. So I guess the set up. If you don’t, you’ve never seen it or read it. So have you been hiding in a drain somewhere? Eso this scene? It has Georgie going to his brother. Bill. Right. Star start. Bill us a bill and it’s raining outside and he asks them to make a paper boat for him to play with. And so Bill’s kind of sick. And then Georgie goes down to get some wax to paint the boat or whatever. So it’ll float, and that’s that’s the great scene to where it kind of sets up the concept of it’s going to get you. And so he’s scared of the dark, and then it goes out and starts floating the boat, and it flows down a a dark storm drain. And then inside the drain is this clown just like, Hey, whoa, what’s that clown doing in that drain? And so Pennywise introduces himself and see. This is why it’s so great, because, I mean, it’s it’s hard to like explain why it works so good. But it were having a clown inside a storm drain. If you’re a little kid, yes, like the logic of it, like somehow makes sense. But you also know that it’s wrong. Yes, there’s there’s a little standoffishness because, well, wait a minute. There’s a man in the drain, but it’s a clown like that s so that’s like something that’s weird but also something that’s good. And so you put those together, and that’s how little kid logic works right? It’s like it’s like how your kid walks up to you and is like my name’s pinky purple and you’re like, Yeah, okay. And then they’re happy with that. They’re just like they’re like, they take you going. All right, whatever on there like, ah, validation you like That’s the least satisfying validation ever. But they’re just looking for the surface level. And so that’s how the clown in the drain work sucks, cause it It’s like it is off putting. But also, it’s a cliff. Yeah, that it explores several things about the relationship between children and adults in terms of their fears. Yeah, and the danger that they face first is adults just generally don’t care. Like That’s a theme that’s really exploring this film, that part of the the supernatural occurrences that the adults in this town turned a blind eye to all these children missing and getting murdered. Just they are abnormally ambivalent about it. And there’s something about that toe where you could relate to if you remember back as a kid, where real shit is happening in your life and no adult cares or understands what’s going on because it can’t be that bad. Their kids, yes, and then the other aspect is that adults are actually dangerous, right that an adult in a clown costume could actually be wanting to kill you. Yeah, Or, you know, someone could want to rape you or, you know, not have your best interests at heart even though they’re an adult and you’re kind of beholden to them. Yeah, So there’s lots of, like, really cool areas that the story explores in terms of these severe and childhood and the relationships between children and adults. And, um, it’s really great. All of those are things that Stephen King is seemingly just very obsessed with. Yeah, or at least he was in his early career. Yeah, So Pennywise introduced. And it’s just such a great like men. The scars, scars guard is so perfect for this. Hey, he just he just plays it just dead on the voice of the dead stare, the drool that’s dripping out of its huge lip. Yeah, see, here’s Here’s where we might diverge because I actually do like Tim Curry’s Pennywise. I love Curries. Um, I and it’s it’s not very different, especially watching them back to back. I realized that that Curry’s Pennywise is actually still super menacing. Yeah, when he’s talking to the kids because I remember it being kind of like just a clown, you know, just like he’s a goofy ass clown. Yeah, but something’s off because he’s in a storm train. But in reality, Curries voice is still really menacing. He has Pennywise talking to the kids, and so it’s I was kind of latched onto the voice with Bill Sparks Bill Scars guard like I thought it was too scary how you played the clown, but it’s actually pretty similar, and I think he he did do a really good job when I watched the second time. But the thing that’s missing from it 2017 is there’s no real moments where Pennywise is being just a clown, right in the miniseries there is it’s a couple moment, that intro, the setup, the intro that you played. He is being kind of just a clown, right, But But after that, almost almost never, right. Like in the in the miniseries usually sets up some of the more menacing Pennywise scenes with him just being a clown, like just being kind of a goofy like plane with noisemakers and oh, damn, I forgot to pull that cliff wait, get, um, plane with like noisemakers and like Talyn really shitty Chuck’s. But also, you know, making balloons filled with blood pop in your face. Yeah, and, you know, monsters, hands grabbing at you kind of thing, Which, to me makes it more terrifying because it’s this. There’s something scary about a really goofy clown coming after you versus a scary clown that it’s made to be scary, you know, going back to ah, Thio scars Guard versus Curry. I think I think I prefer scars. Guard, Um, they’re both great. They’re both. I mean, it’s it’s hard to compare them, really, and it’s just a matter of taste, I think. What? Ah, what bothers me a little bit about the Curry clown is first of all, he’s perfect to play the clown, right? Because he’s he’s he’s got that face that’s just kind of carny ask, you know, like two big Yeah, it’s too big, It’s tired looking. It’s it’s just it’s ah, 55 year old smoker who’s been smoking since he seven, right? And, um, but simultaneously, it’s not a good pick because it’s Tim fucking Curry, and it’s It’s like, you know, it’s just one of those guys who is so universally known for his for who he is that that it kind of brings me out of it a little bit. I just go. That’s Tim Curry. That’s Tim Curry. Every time ago, though. Look, there’s Tim Curry right there. Yeah, I mean, I think the for me it’s the voice his voice is Penny wise is can go from just goofy to Superman. Insane? Very easily. Yeah, And but in Scar’s guard, I was so shocked at how well he was able to portray just the most evil and menacing clown ever. Just like if you want a scary goddamn clown. He is it. Yeah, no pun intended. Yeah, Bill scars. Guard is is great in a in the that trivia talks about how he researched different cycle. So you looked at Norman Bates and, um, the shining What’s his name from the Shining? Yeah. Yeah, and, ah, Clockwork orange. Just all these. I mean, sounds like mostly Stanley Kubrick psycho films. So really like, you know, looking up through your eyebrows kind of thing. Yeah. So that’s like the major Stanley Kubrick signal of evil. Um, but it’s great. So the major way that this film divulge is from the miniseries ever is the divulge. It diverges, And here it is that it’s a hard R. And it is genuinely shocking when Georgie Arms gets ripped fucking clean off. Yeah, it sets the tone for the whole movie. It just It just goes, Oh, we’re going for it. We’re doing this. Yeah, we’re mutilating little kids, right? And it’s adorable little kid. Oh, man, he’s He’s even cuter than the Georgie from the original right, Which is also very cute. I mean, they’re both really cute little child actors. So Georgie’s arms get ripped off, and then the cat on the porch gives the same reaction that I have. Just like, Whoa, What the fuck? Hey. Well, what happened? Um, my question to you. So is this the best child cast ever? Yeah. Yeah, it is. I mean, aside from from, maybe, ah, what’s that? Stephen King stand by me. I mean, that might be that might be a little better. River Phoenix, and yeah, I don’t even know. I bet if we watched that, then we could realize some of the stout nostalgia. Yeah, Maybe he might be affecting that, like a horse without memories with me. Yeah, I mean, it’s it might be the best child cast like it’s surprising how, how good, it’s really strong. In fact, it’s It’s why stranger things work so well, right? You know, it’s just a perfectly cast kid lineup. And there’s there’s one that’s in both right. The master warn Richie. Yeah, I don’t know if he’s the best one from From stranger Things. He definitely is. And in this movie, in my opinion, I don’t know. I think I think I liked Eddie and ah and Bill a little better in this film. Yeah. I mean, they’re all so good. Yeah, they’re all they’re all good, but yeah, I mean, even even like, what? I just finished the third season of stranger things, and it’s already like there. I haven’t even bothered. They’ve They’ve met their limit. It’s like they’re getting annoying. And there, there, their bag of tricks is pretty limited. Yes, that age. Yet for some reason, with this film, they really found, like, a really good mix of kids that they could pull it off. Yeah, and the bullies in this are perfect. Yeah. I mean, they’re definitely bullies being bullies. Yeah, um, they’re the meanest fucking bullies in the entire world. Yeah, I mean, that’s that is the difference between, you know, generic bullies and the gang of Henry with his last name. Winkler. Henry Winkler. So Henry is like the main bully, and he’s got a gang of friends that have their own gimmicks. Apparently. So there’s the guy that belches l just names belch, and there’s the guy that likes fire. Uh, but Henry is a prodigy, genuinely terrifying in this film in particular because he is really a psychopath. Yeah, he’s convincingly a psychopath. He’s clearly a kid that who has been, I mean, what a great actor like they went to him and they were like, Your dad beats the shit out of out of you every night. Okay, go. And that’s the kid who he portrays, a kid who is just savagely beaten by his by his cop father and who’s told he’s worthless. And just that shit rolls right downhill to all the other kids in school. Yeah, and there’s also some mean girls that urn like the opening of the film, but that never appear again. Yeah, that’s right. That felt kinda tacked on pelican mean girls. But It was just like people are mean to Bev to Yeah. I don’t know if you have to, Like, put that in the film because I think it’s bad enough that she’s kind of rape fire Father. Yeah, all the time. I mean, that’s enough. But also, slut shaming. Yeah, but also slut Shaming. That’s right. I guess that’s the purpose of those mean girls, too. Accuser being a slip. Yeah, but I mean, it works it all. It all set it up perfectly to be thio. Have you feel real empathy for these for these kids to really feel like. Okay, now you’re part of the losers club, you know? Yeah, the the Henry Gang. Think the torments the losers club is really great. And And how they set up him displaying his psychopathy. Yeah, it is great that he attacks Ben the fat kid and let me say great casting for the fat kid sometimes. I mean, I was a fat kid growing up, So when they cast fat kids and they’re just kind of chubby, you like Chunk from it just made me feel miserable, like, Oh, everyone’s ridiculing the kid. That’s like, kind of a little overweight. Just I’m like, actually fat price. You’re not fat, You’re husky. I hated that Maur I that made me feel worse than if my mom was just like, Look at you, fat fucking slob. If she said look at you, fat fucking slob, I’d have felt better than if she was like, No, you’re just husky. Oh, that was my kryptonite. Yeah, Yeah, I really identified with Ben in this in this film is like, you know, when he takes off his shirt, it’s like, Yeah, he’s a fat kid. Yeah, and Ah, and this is another. But this is like, the second portion of the movie that where the the gang is quote unquote picking on on Ben when in reality, they’re fucking carving their name into his stomach. And this is another signal where it’s like, Jesus Christ, this movie is not fucking around at all. What is happening and sorry about that. And the it is just so shocking and also kind of believable. You’re like, Yeah, this could happen. I remember being a kid. There were fucking really tense moments. Where if there is, if there is an actual psychopath. When I was growing up, Yeah, I could I could envision being having initials carved into my stomach. I remember. I remember moments and I can’t even, like, pull them out if singularly. But I definitely remember moments where I was like, Things are super serious right now and my life might be in danger, like, you know, and this is that feeling of things are very bad. And and then the car rolls by as thieves. Kids, We’re cutting him up. Yeah, and, uh, cutting it. Carving his name Henry into India and seeking full H. And it’s like, not not like scrapes. It’s really gonna need stitches. Got cutting into him hard, and ah, then it kicks him and and falls down the hill, which is probably the more frightening thing. And then he screams, I’m gonna cut your fucking tits off. Good God! And this So basically all that to say This movie fucks life, it fucks Yeah, it’s it’s really great. And ah oh, I forgot to pick Play my my clips of belch Oh yeah Play Belge So here’s I love the idea that there’s a character named Belch. His whole purpose is just to belt Yeah, he’s He’s the Belcher. And I almost wish they did it. Maur if it was just more ridiculous if it was literally that’s all he did was belching people. I think you’re on to something I want. I want this character to exist. Uh, wow. Yeah, that was Bravo. Yugo. Here’s belt from it. 2017. Almost like just in the room. Got better than that. Come on. And then here is just for comparison sake Since I pulled it. Here’s Ah, 1990 belch 90 belches 90 wages Way better wait. And also use my boy more goofy in that miniseries. Um, so, yeah, in this film that the Henry Gang is it’s basically, like Biff Tannins Gang and get back to the future, but way more menacing. Yeah, Yeah, it is like if tenants can. You ever thought about that? Um okay, so then we go to Bill, who’s the brother of Georgie that got his arm ripped off and Bill goes back to his house and his dad’s in the garage. And, like, Bill, what is the ship? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And he’s got all his habit trail set up. And Bill is showing his theory of where Georgie is or where he could have gone. Bill misses his little brother terribly. And as and as a way of coping with it, he’s trying to strategize to find his little brother in the sewer system. Yeah, and, ah, his dad is really sick of his shit spent this? God damn it. George is dead. But if the storm swept St George Ian, we should have a car. He’s dead. Jesus. Which isn’t, You know, it’s not too ah sympathetic for your son that that lost. Well, he just lost his son. He’s going through a hard time too. He doesn’t know how to react. This is But more importantly, where am I supposed to put my habit trail? You guys want to see a hilariously fun movie? Check out the evil within its free on Amazon prime. Yeah, we have an episode of very, very early. I think that’s like 1\/3 or wait. Is that the one that we held off forever? Yeah, it’s like that. No, no, no, that was Ah, we held off. It’s like seven or eight. The evil will never within Yeah, the evil within is very early episode. So I just pulling that clip. Watching some of it’s a great dialogue is just so it’s literally feels like the room. Yeah, it’s very strong. It’s a horror movie. It’s very odd. It’s free. It needs more attention. It does need more attention. You all need to go to Amazon and watch the evil within. It’s a It’s a is a strange gem of a bad, very good bad horror movie that you all should check out. Ah, you know. So, yeah, Bill’s dad is sick of a shit. Is another adult That’s just like there’s There’s nothing going on. Just let let things lie as they are very one dimensional, you know? But I think that brings up a good point because that that clip featured bills stutter, huh? Ah, pretty, pretty heavily. And ah, I thinkit’s think were woke enough to the point where I think we need to start asking, Should that role have gone to someone with a real stutter? Um, those people do exist and they need rolls, too. So why did you get an actor to do it, right? Well, why not get I mean, why did you get somebody who doesn’t have a stutter to do a stutter. Those people need work, too, right? And why didn’t you give the role of Pennywise to someone with Parkinson’s or a real clown? Because every time he attacks, the camera is really shaky. Yeah, a real clown with Parkinson’s, right? Someone who has been a clown and identifies as a girl I I identify as a clown. I just knew bouffant it. There’s an excellent job of showing the different fears, um, of the different kids. So each kid basically gets their own little vignette of their fears. I think the miniseries and the book does a little better job of doing this. Some of the ones in this film are definitely tacked on to be just a generic jump scare yelling or a device that they they want to the scene in the film. So they made a fear around it right, and it lands like as a as a as a tool to scare. It does land. It’s just it’s just a throwaway. Yeah, or it’s just a little obvious what they’re trying to do. Great. So, Georgie is his fears great. Just the fear of the dark fear of just being a little kid and not understanding What’s going on, Bill? His fear of just losing Georgie and really wanting Georgy back and that being played on, Um, it’s great, Mike, the black kid in this one is haunted by the memory of his parents burning in a horrible fire which you wrote next to this. No, you said Matt. Yeah, it didn’t. You fucking monster. And kind of like, I don’t know, It just didn’t Didn’t work for me as much I think they wanted to do. Yeah, I mean, well, he wasn’t very flushed out as a character. Yeah, and so it was hard. I mean, but they took away a big part of his character from the original character. He’s He’s the guy that knows all about the town history. Like for some reason, he’s really into history and they injured in the miniseries in this one that’s been right. Yeah, And in the book, it’s It’s Mike as well that that knows all the town history and some, but they attribute all that toe Ben, and it’s the fat kid who knows history, not the which is fine. Um, and then let’s see. Ah, Stanley, he’s I got the fear that is the least good one, which is a creepy painting, and that and that they lean on the most. I feel like they’re like the creepy painting Lady is really working for us, and it’s like you think this is This is where they take it right out of the conjuring. I mean, this is literally like the nun from the conjuring. Yes, and they’re like, Well, this will work. Let’s let’s shove that in And it feels shoved in. Yeah, in the original one, is it Stanley? What was his fear? Stanley Waas. The He’s the funny Know Richie’s the funny kid, right? Well, no, not in the miniseries in 2017. Yeah, Ritchie’s fast talking and funny, but in the miniseries, he’s very diminutive and kept clean by his mother. No, that’s That’s Eddie, that Oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry, Richie. Richie is Seth Green and the miniseries. Yeah, I’m sorry. So, Stanley, it’s kind of weird in this movie. He’s Jewish. They, like, lean onto the fact that he’s Jewish, and in the miniseries he’s a Boy Scout and leaned heavily on the fact that he’s a Boy Scout and I can’t remember which it is in the book. Are you talking about Seth Green? No, Stanley, we’re switching to We’re switching kids too fast here. Okay. In the miniseries. Do you remember the kid? That’s the boys. Yes, he is. Stanley. Yeah. In this film. Do you remember the kid that’s Jewish and has the scary painting coming after him? Yes, that Stanley. OK, OK, so I can’t remember what Stanley’s fear in the miniseries waas. Yeah, I don’t think it actually shows it. I think that’s the thing that they dio thing that comes after Oh, no, no, no, no. It was the skeleton. No, it was the mummy. Yeah, in the miniseries. Yeah. And this one. It was just a scary painting. Yeah, it just doesn’t land as well. Yeah. I mean, the mummy doesn’t blend really well either. Yeah. I mean, you see, that’s the thing with, like, having it around kids. It’s all it’s more convincing that they’re scared by lame things. Because if you remember what you were scared of as a kid, it was It was lame. Shit. It was like the mummy. It was like the wolf man. That’s why it’s why this movie works so well is because kids are scared of actual scary shit. Yeah, kids are scared of shit that lives in a closet. And now you’re like add nothing lives in the closet. But if something does live in the closet Holy shit, that’s scary. Like you’re scared of, like, financial like issues. And that’s not that’s not really scary. What if they made it? What if the sequel for for it If it Chapter two was just based on adult fears and it was just the personification of bills or the personification of not having enough money for retirement? I think that I think the way you Yeah, exactly. It’s or like a laying on your fears of your body. Just kind of slowly breaking down. Yeah, yeah, Like, out like I got And I woke up today I got a new wake My shoulder won’t ever stop hurting for the rest of my life. Well, this is it. This is how I go. That’s pretty much everything. Every time something happens in my body, that hurts. I’m just like Well, this is it. This is what my experiences from now on. Yeah, on the added to that Just Dad. Another thing onto my back um, so Ben’s thing is the headless kid coming after him from the He’s like researching the past of the of the town, and a big part of it is this explosion that happens on Easter Room, and there’s a headless kid that starts attacking him. And that’s another one. That’s just kind of tacked on because it also feels like something from a jump scare movie of Does a headless kid running after you with jiggly motion something Something to note in all this, the 2017. It was released in three D, and they leaned heavily on things running at the audience. There’s a lot of shit running and reaching and jumping toward the screen, and and so that is a theme here. And it’s why it’s why it worked really well on first viewing for me and then second time around, it was like, Oh, yeah, I forgot. There’s a movie is just a bunch of shit running at me. Yeah, but while you were watching that shit in the theater is like, Oh, God, Oh, golly, I gotta run away like it was panic inducing. Um, the last one that feels kinda tacked on is Richie He just says in this film that he’s afraid of clowns. And Richie is kind of the the wisecracker of the group, and he says he’s afraid of clowns, and the whole purpose of that is so that he can get trapped in a room full of clowns. It’s like, all right. They wanted a room full of clowns, and so they gave him a fear of clowns is very obvious in the in the original. He’s the one that’s scared of the wolf man, which I get. It doesn’t work that great, but it’s the same thing. Clowns, wolf, man. That’s the same thing. The ones that do work is Ah, Eddie. He’s afraid of germs. He’s the one that’s, like, really doted on by his mom. That’s kind of Ah, Munchausen by proxy Mom and his penny wise. Or it attacks him with a leper. Yeah, like a like a dude with the big club foot and missing the nose is missing a nose, and he’s just hacking up goop all the time. And he’s got a pill for ready to swallow. And he’s constantly like swallow Bill, just like Jesus Christ, Please, no. And then Bev, the the girl. Hers isn’t necessarily rich off a fear. What? I don’t know, Addy. I’m sorry. That was Eddie. Yeah, the terms. And then Bev the girl has probably the best sequence, but it isn’t necessarily attached to a fear. It’s more of like this is a pretty awesome sequence to do. Which is the blood coming out of the sink? Yeah, she hears the voices in the sink, and then all of a sudden, the blood comes out and, um, I don’t know. You could say that this is a little over the top because it’s literally. Every crevice of the bathroom is covered with blood. It’s crazy, like everywhere. Like underneath. It’s like someone took a power washer and with blood and just sprayed everything and got every nook and cranny. There’s no if you’re like a blood splatter analyst like you would not be able to identify where the source of the blood came from. Yeah, remember evil dead too. Or where he shoots the wall and then that little drip of blood comes out. And then it’s a fire hydrant of blood or or similar scene nightmare on Elm Street. In the original. With them, right the bed that sucks him down. But even then, like, it doesn’t cover the entire room. And like underneath the bed? Yeah, yeah, it’s a It’s a full blown Rob Zombie scene, which is kind of weird. Like the set decorator probably went a little overboard on it. Great does. In the in the scene she’s talking about her dad is like, What’s wrong? It’s like the sink. And it’s like, Well, I mean, even pointing at the sink is kind of like, No, it’s everywhere. Just say the everything look anywhere in the bathroom is covered in blood. You see how the bath you remember? What the Do you remember? What color the walls in the bathroom. Where? How? Things were different colors in the bathroom. They I mean, maybe you don’t remember the exact color, but it wasn’t blood, right? It wasn’t like blood red. Yeah, and it’s also the most effective demonstration of parents. Just not seeing anything that the kids see. And then also her her fears just, you know, getting raped by your dad. Reasonable fear. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if if that’s what your dad does. Very reasonable. Yeah. Ah, super creepy. Okay. What else should we talk about? Let’s talk about this little bit librarian, librarian, librarian. So Ben is really into reading books after and researching, and the librarian comes up to him handsome a book, and she’s Her whole attitude is like Why you reading so many books is she is the worst librarian ever. Like she first of all, she’s cast very well. She just written poorly because she’s this old doting lady who you would expect to be in the library in is she is your classic, uh, you know that she is a library in looking lady. She comes up to him, she gives him a book and she’s like, in school over. He’s like, Yeah, she’s like, Why reading somebody books? Shouldn’t you be outside? Kids were supposed to, And then she goes on to lecture him. About what? About not going to the library. Don’t you have any friends like you? Like the summer is for being outside like not reading books about the history of the city were in idiot. Okay, And then she walks away. She’s like, Fuck you, Here’s a clip. I found it. Isn’t it summer vacation? I would think you’d be ready to take a break from the books. I like it in here. The boy should be spending a summer outside with friends. Don’t you have any friends? I have the book now, bitch. Fuck you. Yeah, that was that was a great, like just I think in the book, the Librarian just is really concerned for for Ben, which makes a lot more sense. Yeah, like he’s in there every day kind of thing. So she knows him and she wishes that he had more friends, but she keeps it to herself. She doesn’t like Hey, go outside, fatty man. It would have been great if if she had gone into, like, a lecture about how fat Iwas she’s like, you know, You think e mean? Yes, this is This is definitely a better film. There are some things that I want to point out that are better in the miniseries in terms of, like structure. Maybe we should save that for the miniseries. No, we’ll talk about it too, but okay. But basically how they get introduced in the miniseries is more convincing and closer to the book, which is it happens much more organically like and the reason why they meet feels very much more like a kid activity that other kids would be into, which is mainly building a dam. Yeah, yeah, which is activity that I think every kid has done down in the Baron’s going down in the water run off area and being, like, get lots of sticks and mud and stones here. It’s building. Damn, damn! And so they kind of start doing that. And there’s new ones that kind of get introduced because that water runoff areas kind of a natural area to run away from police. Yeah. Ah, And in this movie, they just kind of all know each other. Yeah, already. The only ones that get introduced our our Ben, Bev and Mike. Yeah, but they get introduced in decent ways, like Ben gets introduced cause they hear him getting beaten up right now. And then they run. They’re like, Well, we can’t just let somebody just beat on some kid. So they go down there to help him, and then right when they dio Yeah, I mean, I guess the purpose for all I know, That wasn’t Ben. That was the black kid. Yeah. Mike Mike. Yeah, It just felt it felt less organic. It was fine. It just felt not as as relatable. Right? Maybe I’m jacking prices. Ah, has way too much nostalgia for the 1st 1 and it shows right now. Okay. One of the great things about this group of kids is the joking banter throughout. Very convincing. More so than the miniseries. Much more because they because the miniseries had their hands died, I’m sure like you can’t put a lot of this stuff on TV. Whereas you could definitely fit it into an R movie. Yeah. Here’s, um, Eddie going off about gray water. Our teacher is coming in square water. What the hell’s going on? One. It’s basically piss and shit. So I’m just telling you, guys are splashed around and millions of gallons of dairy. So what? Are you serious? My cock up Policing. You okay? I can smell that from here. Forward Is your breath walking back into your face? Yeah, it’s great. Probably just your breath wafting back into your thing. Lots of your mom jokes. And, like talking about each other’s mom’s pussies and stuff like it feels much more real. What the shit that kids would talk about isn’t that weird. That that’s like that is that’s what feels Really? Yeah, I’m talking about your mom’s busy. That’s why that’s why South Park works, because kids are foul mouth. Oh, man, are they ever? But it’s just so strange that, like that is the truth, probably throughout all of history is like, No, it doesn’t make sense for it to be like cute banter. It makes sense for it to be your mom’s pussy. Like throughout human history kid banter is that, um, I think we’ve s o. I mean, they’re they’re all grouped together, and they’ll figure out that they’re all tormented by the same clown Pennywise, and they bond over that. And then they all decide to get to the bottom of it and get rid of this clown. However they can. And they kind of latch on pretty early that the Pennywise only has power. If they’re afraid of him, right, he’s He’s less powerful if you I know that it’s just a figment of your imagination. Very much of John F. Kennedy, the only on to fear is fear itself kind of thing, right? So ah, penny wise. Throughout this movie, the other thing that I kind of have a beef with an ever talk about is the shaky clown syndrome, and I wish they were more creative with how Pennywise attacked the kids. There are some creative ways that the attacks, but for the most part it’s show fangs run towards the camera very shakily. Yeah, um, there’s, you know, there’s a lot of pensive staring as well. Yeah, but that’s not an attack. That’s just like, I mean, in the in the I think in the book and in the miniseries that it plays more on each kid’s individual fear. Or like there’s something doing unexpected things. There’s some aggressive balloon Ah, chases. Yeah, some balloon advancements. So, like a great scene from the miniseries of the shower scene, where the Pennywise like comes out of the drink, blame ations his hands into the into the drain and widens it. Yeah, yeah, that I don’t know why, but that that seems very specifically sticks with me. As as like being very disturbing. Like I remember as a kid being like Jesus Christ, you just pull the drain open like that. Um, Bev, the girl in this movie is super effective and she is a creep magnet and Ah, yeah. I don’t know how much I can say without incriminating myself. Yeah, Bryce is being very careful with his words. He’s She’s a creep magnet. All right. We’ll just, uh we’ll just say that on Bryce concert here being all creepy. I mean, what what do you What do you think of bed, David? Well, damn. Look at those hot children, David. It’s gonna haunt me until they’ve until I die. Yeah, I mean, she’s She’s very striking her pain. I totally understand why she’d be a creep magnet. Yeah, George, She’s like, I mean, not only attacked by your dad, but there’s, like, a creepy pharmacist That’s super super schlubby. Yeah, this is she, like, takes advantage. There’s a thing that this movie plays on, and, Ah, and they’re not. They don’t shy away from which is there’s something very attractive about a young girl knowing she’s very attractive and using it to her advantage. I mean, not not even that I think she’s just very friendly and very like she is. She’s aware of herself, and I mean, she’s what you call it. She’s flirt, flirtatious, right? She understands the power of flirting. I mean, yeah, so but she’s not like a temptress or something. Oh, yeah? Well, that’s a That’s a pretty thin line. Uh, I mean I mean, you know, So I don’t know. What would you say about a girl? A girl who approaches a pharmacist and is like, Hey, you look with those glasses, You look kind of like Clark Kent. And then when he plays back into her thing in a very creepy way, she’s like, uh, you know, it’s like, Yeah, yes, there’s that. You know, it’s It’s just I mean, if you’re told, like by everyone that you’re a slut and you’ve probably never actually had sex. Well, other than you know what, your dad, rather than the rape, then, yeah, I think you you like, use it to your advantage. Yeah. No, I’m not. I’m not arguing with that. It’s just something that this movie uses very effectively. They don’t show. And then, like, this is probably the most effective portrayal of pre teen sexuality. Sexuality? Yeah, of the girl appearing in the group of boys and the boys are all just like that one scene where she’s sunning herself. You after they go swimming and all the boys were just sitting there, like, just just in awe of this. You know, it’s so this is the ultimate nostalgia because I can, really I mean, this was all of high school for me just being like, Look at those beautiful creatures, Look at them. But don’t go near. Don’t do not approach them because you will scare them away. Your terrible, ugly, ugly face will terrify them, and ill is it’s a completely mysterious force. The the power that an attractive woman can have over a young boy. And they do not have the facility to handle it. There’s like, I’m so glad I have girls because just just looking at they’re so far advanced compared compared to. And I think back on myself and I’m like Jesus Christ, I was ill equipped like I was just just so dopey, you know, And, uh and I mean, I guess everybody’s dopey, and I I’m probably giving too much credit to anybody just because I you know, it says too much about me. But man, that feeling of being ah, young lad with lots of hormones going through me and then just not knowing what to do with my hands. You know, just being like I I got nothing. I just wish I had something, man. Wouldn’t it be great if I had something? And this this movie captures that pretty great in a couple different scenes with the boys Admiring Bev? Yeah. Yeah. And always with respect, you know, you always the way that I remember it. And it’s the other people, the people outside of this group that are perverted and weird, the people who are calling her a slut or a whore or whatever it is, they’re the creepy ones because they view her that way. These kids don’t they respect her. Yeah. I mean, it’s the thing with the With the Losers club is that they’re in awe that she’s around them right, and they don’t want to ruin a good thing. Don’t scare away. But they can’t. They can’t treat her like just one of them because she has this power over them, which I don’t think even women understand what that’s like. They just don’t understand the power or the the energy that’s created from like a young boy. It’s attracted any boy man now, like Yeah, even even now, but especially at that age, just like just barely breaking through puberty, it’s like it is weird. It’s the amount of just confused, conflicted and impressively strong feelings are. Yeah, if you if you think about all the stories that are told are all the myths that Air told over history are mostly to help explain or manage the feelings of that of going through puberty. You have all the superhero stories of of getting new powers like it’s basically explaining that, like all of a sudden, it’s apparent trying really hard not to be too obvious that they’re given the sex talk, right? Like all of a sudden, it’s this extreme source of energy and anxiety and, like impetus, yeah, towards something that you have no no exposure to. All of a sudden, you know exactly what you want as it’s it’s It’s weird, but it’s very, very effective. This is Yeah, this is a movie. Where if you No, never mind. Okay, um, you got you guys could make up your minds about what he was going to say. Uh huh. Okay, I’ll say it. So you know how there’s nothing more creepy about people on Reddit explaining the difference between a feeble file and a pedophile. No, I don’t know. Can you really don’t know if I’ve come across this a couple times? And there’s something very pathetic about it. I don’t understand. Sophie B file is like drawing a difference between a pedophile, which is a kid, someone that’s sexually attracted to young children. And Phoebe File is someone that’s attracted to, like a just barely post pube Essen. Oh, so so kids under age. But like, yeah, like a 14 to 16 year old okay, thing would be in a feeble five. Yeah, contracted to young girls that air. So is people trying to justify their their legal pedophilia. Well, that’s not It’s not even legal. It’s just saying like, this is a different thing and like I mean, right, they’re calling. They’re basically saying like, Yeah, it’s not technically legal, but it makes sense evolutionarily right, which is Yeah, it’s true. But also don’t touch kids. Whatever. I see someone talking about like it’s not pedophilia. It’s a Phoebe Ophelia. I’m like you’re you’re a creep. Yeah, like if if If that’s the if that’s the hill, you’re going to die on the drawing that line, like no one wants to be around you. Sorry. It has nothing to Yeah. So this this movie would be would definitely be a movie where their people be Those people explaining the difference between pedophilia and a fever affiliate. Justo, make them sort of self field. Yeah, and the answer to that is Yes, sure. Evolutionarily. Yeah. There you there. They’re very there. It makes sense evolutionarily, but you know what? It doesn’t make sense. They’re not. They don’t have the capacity to make good decisions because they’re still in their mind. They’re still a kid, right? They got a lot of maturing to do. Like I I’m just barely an adult right now. And I’m 35 I think, in terms of like, brain maturity, it your brain isn’t doesn’t stop growing and developing until, like, you’re 25 like that’s when you reach a point where you can actually make good decisions. Yeah, basically, it’s just everything else is is you actually do not have the ability to make long term decisions, right? And it’s not fair for it’s It’s so creepy and terrible for an adult two, even even to go, You know, essentially prey on, you know, 18 to 23 45 year olds. Yes. It’s just it feels like preying on something because it’s because it is kind of iss. Right? Yeah. Um, not to say that I wouldn’t want to, but it’s wrong, right? I can recognize that. If hemophilia? I don’t know. If so, I’m 37. Like, where is the line for 37 isn’t it? Isn’t there like a like a jokey rule? It’s, like, half your age plus something. Oh, I’m gonna say I’m gonna say the best the best. Like if if you’re measuring the word Best buy youngest that a 37 year old could go for eyes 27 just 10 years off. Yeah, but if you were 40 I would say 29. Okay. You know, Yeah. Uh, there’s there’s such arbitrary lines in the sand, though. I mean, yeah, yeah. Asking the hard questions are movie talked in the research, so you don’t have to. The production design of it 2017 again is really using modern horror tropes of having just super dark and dank apartments and settings like everywhere. Looks like kind of a crack house, but mo the dank the day s O that the dank apartments for Bev and Eddie, um are something that just feels out of Ah, Harmony, Corinne. Film like gum. Oh, okay. Yeah. Um is harmony Corinne? Is that a man? Uh huh. Okay, he’s a weird dude. Yeah, it’s It’s a weird name. It is a very hard named a place where many, Corinne, it might be harmony or Herman. I’m actually not quite sure about that. Um, you know, we do a lot of research for these episodes. Eddie’s mom in particular is like this weird gross hell man character. She’s a cross between, like a Tim and Eric character and a character from gum. Oh, yeah, we’re just gross. Like weird. Strange. She just wearing this dirty windbreaker. And she’s Yeah, she’s kind of like in a fat suit. Almost. Yeah, she’s just strangely overweight. Like greasy. Yeah. Sweaty, sweaty. Yeah, she’s very Tim and Eric that’s dead on. And very Gummo. And, uh, yeah, she’s She’s one of the best parts of this movie. Yeah, and so she’s kind of Munchausen by proxy. She’s, you know, telling Eddie that he’s got all these sicknesses and stuff and got him on all these pills. And then he eventually finds out that they’re all placebos, that there’s actually nothing wrong with What is he column e got a clip when he finds out that the sickness Okay, what what sickness, Mom. These are their bows. That’s probably one of the best wines. Best funny moments of the greater good. He was such a huge, such a well done character. Yeah, so this film really explorers all these, you know, concepts and doesn’t pretty well. There’s lots of jump scares pretty much you could take out from any other modern film. But that doesn’t really well in this film. Two. It’s not super important to talk about the plot other than they’re they’re being attacked by clown and that it’s based on their fear. Eventually, they kind of go on the attack. They go into a haunted house and the well house. Yeah, the well house. And then they’re attacked by Pennywise. And then they don’t succeed. They go into his underground sewage layers, do it. They do it once they attack in just the house, and that’s when Eddie gets his arm broken. And then there’s kind of a montage, the kind of nothing really happens. And then they just go back, Yeah, and then go underground into the sewer system. And that’s where they kind of have their final battle, which is pretty effective. It’s confronting fear. They confront fear and they kind of use, um, them some kid logic. They It’s not as explained as it is in the book about the concept of It’s like using child logic to attack. It’s a damn sight better than the miniseries, let me tell you. But yeah, the danger is, if you want to do it more, Um, if you wanted to do it more like the book, you have to take a lot of exposition, all dialogue to explain it. Yeah, and it just comes off. Not great, right? And and I think I think it doesn’t effective job of basically, you know, portraying that these kids are standing up to what they’re afraid off. You know, the one. The one issue I have with this is is it’s It’s shocking how weak Pennywise is for something that is that he is self described as eternal, you know? Well, yeah, I mean, it’s it’s that’s The thing is that he’s weak because they don’t fear him right anymore. And so they’re on the attack, and that’s like the power and he still menacing while they’re attacking. But it’s just he’s not effective. And fear comes back every 30 years, right? So and what is that? That’s about a cycle of a generation. So every time you have a new generation born, you have fear reborn. So I think, yeah, I think it I mean, it probably makes a lot more sense in the book. It’s and it makes a decent amount of sense in 2017. But the minister is pretty lacking. Um, there could see posts. There is a rose. Let me see it. And then they attacked him. And then Pennywise kind of start disintegrating. It’s cool. It’s really cool. Every time he gets hurt, his blood floats. Yeah, it floats up, which is super neat. And then also yeah, his layer where it shows all the kids floating because they make a big deal of like we all float down here. And that is probably the one of the coolest visuals. Is this giant stack of dead bodies and live bodies that are floating around in the air like they’re zero gravity float, float, float, float, float, float. That’s what we should do when we go to see Chapter two. We should get in the theater and right before you know right is the starting credits are rolling. Would be like starting champion, float, float, float, float and everybody behind. We let flow flow or probably just be us sand flow. We could try to do it like the Mighty Ducks, where someone that just goes float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float. Yeah, and then we will get the whole get the whole theater to do. It’ll be great. It’ll work out exactly as we imagined in our heads. We’ll put it on Instagram if we can figure out how to use it. Yeah, you should video Bryce. We can’t be those people. We can’t be the old people who don’t know how to use the new stuff you have aware. So they they finally kind of defeat Pennywise and it it feels like this could be just a self contained movie. If it didn’t work out, this would have been like a fine, self contained movie. They don’t necessarily need the sequel. And, to be honest, like the kid’s stuff is way more interesting than the adult side of it. So I’m kind of curious what they’re going to do with Chapter two. It’s got a great cast, so it’s got all the pieces that they need. So but we’ll see. Um, attack him. Pennywise kind of disintegrates. And then he says, Kind of an on the nose final Goodbye. Which is there? All right, we get it. Ah, so yeah, that’s that’s it. There’s probably some more so we could talk about, but that’s the main points that I wanted it cover. So what’s the What’s the final recommendation for it, man? Definitely. See it. You should see it if you haven’t seen it yet to prepare for chapter two. Yeah. Um, it sze cheap, like four bucks on to rent. It’s a high quality. Well done. Really disturbing. Um, more movie like solid, solid horror movie that I mean, I If that sounds terrible to you, it is for you. If it sounds great to you, it’s gonna be pretty great. And if you haven’t seen it, what the heck you doing? Spin out for two years? So shall we do? Let’s just let’s do tagline years. Tagline. Um, lines is a game where we come up with alternate taglines for the movie. We are reviewing that. I think you’re better student VfL. You want to go first? You want me to go? Sure. I’ll go first. Minor. Bad way. Always say that, but it always pulls through it. 2017 Making horror. Pito again? I used to be kind of paedo it. 2017 God damn! Look at those hot children. No raping This is my treat. Okay, go ahead. My 2nd 1 is a clip that we have queued up. This is from the Simpsons. When Homer can’t stop thinking about that billboard he saw four clown college thesis action you’re supposed to be monitoring is on fire. Funny clowns are scary. Ah, it Stephen King’s classic without the weird sex stuff. But a little bit of Okay, My third is a follow up clip from The Simpsons where Homer is crafting a circus tent out of mashed potatoes at the family dinner. That’s the match. But ma’am, don’t have someone. Theo. Theo, You people have stood in my way long enough. I’m going to clone college. I don’t think any of us expected him to say that. That was my exact reaction in this movie. I’m going to clown College 2017 like, stand by me, But with more arms being ripped off. Yeah. Yeah. At least one more. Next, we’re gonna be talking with David’s wife. But her reaction to horror porn? Oh, yeah. She she wasn’t It wasn’t a big fan. We’ll have to let her tell the story. Yeah, we’ll let her tell the story. So here we go. And Ah, Okay. So set the scene for me. You’re listening. Does David come to you with the episode and say you have to listen to the horror porn, or you like natural listening to it. So, um, he told me about the idea and the very beginning, and I got very excited about it because I’m a huge Howard Stern fan, a huge Howard Stern fan, And they do this type of stuff all the time on the show, and I always play along with it. And so, uh, he let me listen to it, uh, before you guys put it out. I got a sneak preview, right. It’s one of the perks of being married to someone in harmony is very exciting. And so, uh, first of all, I couldn’t hear. I mean, it was on his computer, the it was going through his headphones, so I didn’t hear, like, full on everything. You didn’t have the hip bones on. No, I didn’t have him on. Oh, okay. He just turned up the volume really large. Very David. Um, and I got into it in the beginning, and then it was when he got to the hocus pocus form. And then I realized you’re bullshitting me. Thing isn’t really And I got very angry. Whoa. Bullshitting you. In what sense? Because I thought it was really I get really? So on the stern Show that it Israel that was Don’t you remember hocus pocus? Stop it. What? See, I just don’t understand your reaction on the Stern show. The last time they did one of these, it was like, um, they would play a clip of somebody giving a speech at an award show, and then you had to guess whether or not it was the at the Emmys. That the person was giving the speech for or if it was at the adult video awards, Okay. And it was awesome because you’d have people up there being like, I just want to make all the ladies in this category for all their hard work and be like, Oh, that. And then Robin on the show would guess what? Itwas it all gas. And then to be like, it was the adult video for them. So anyways, I just That was not authentic. Once I realized it was old joke. I mean, it was funny. No, no, it was I mean, it was really funny photos, mostly because it was unexpected because I didn’t remember those parts. I mean, after the episode, I mean, he showed me all the clips. It was totally legit. Like those air definitely debt. You men go back to hocus pocus. I mean, out of context. It seems like no way that couldn’t be from hocus pocus, but I mean it is No, it’s not. David didn’t show you the clips. You’re messing with me. So you’re angry at David was very angry and I told him that he shouldn’t play that e j headed it out because other people were playing along and would get mad. Ah, you don’t know how delighted. You probably do know how delighted David was at that reaction. Yeah, because it’s better than he could have ever expected it to go. What? You made me even angry. All right, well, it’s not for everyone. Well, we’re going to do it again. This this episode. But we didn’t have time. We’ll probably do it on chapter two. We’ll see how it goes. Maybe maybe you’ll win this time. Okay. Thanks for stopping by care. Thank you. That was hilarious. Okay, what a delightful anecdote. You crazy, crazy lady. So that’s horror movie talk for this week. Thanks for listening. And again, go check out horror movie talk dot com. 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In preparation for IT Chapter 2 coming out this week, we watched IT (2017) as well as the 1990 Miniseries starring Tim Curry. If you haven't seen IT and are a horror fan, you are probably in the minority, since it (IT? In preparation for IT Chapter 2 coming out this week, we watched IT (2017) as well as the 1990 Miniseries starring Tim Curry. If you haven't seen IT and are a horror fan, you are probably in the minority, since it (IT?) is the highest grossing horror movie of all time.







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IT 2017 Poster



We watched It. We already have seen it, but we watched it again. It was good. We liked it. IT THE MOVIE!




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IT is available to rent on Amazon Prime, Youtube and other places probably.











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IT 2017 Synopsis



IT (2017) is a total rip off of Stranger Things. It features a group of boys in the 80s who discover a young girl with the special power to give them boners.



Actually, IT (2017) is based on the Stephen King novel “IT”. The film follows “the losers club” which is a motley crew of six young boys and a girl who find themselves haunted by Pennywise the Dancing Clown played by Bill Skarsgård. Pennywise is very literally dread incarnate, and torments the group of kids with their worst fears. Upon research, the group finds out that Pennywise has been tormenting and killing children for millenia. 



IT Movie Review



The film tackles the source material admirably. It’s hard to capture on screen the concept of the monster being fear itself. You get a real feeling of dread throughout, and it remains one of the best group coming of age stories, second only to King’s other adaptation: Stand By Me. 



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I’m glad I got to watch this again, because my first viewing was so colored by my nostalgia for the 1990 TV miniseries starring Tim Curry. And while I still do like the direction of the Pennywise character a little better in the miniseries, I think that overall IT 2017 is a far superior film. We watched the miniseries to be able to compare it to this film and the upcoming Chapter 2,]]>
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Ready or Not Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/08/28/ready-or-not-review/ Wed, 28 Aug 2019 07:01:58 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=2802 We saw Ready or Not in theaters, and while my expectations were extremely low, I can honestly say that this is one of the best new movies I’ve seen all year. It’s a dark comedy that has plenty of high stakes and tension which made for a fabulous experience. Skip to Intro - 0:18Skip to Trailer - 7:20Skip to Synopsis - 12:55Skip to Review - 16:11Skip to Score - 17:59Skip to Positivicast Drama - 23:42 Skip to Spoilers - 28:10Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:36:21Skip to Horror or Porno - 1:39:20Skip to Outro - 1:52:21 https://youtu.be/ZtYTwUxhAoI Ready or Not can be found in movie theaters now! The full movie! Watch Ready or NotFull Movie Available for Pre-order on AmazonReady or Not Ready or Not Synopsis Ready or Not is the story of a beautiful, young couple, Grace (Samara Weaving of The Babysitter) and Alex Le Domas (Mark O’Brien of Arrival) on their wedding day at Alex’s family estate. The Le Domas family are the heirs and proprietors of a Milton-Bradley esque board game company and are the kind of wealthy that begets butlers, maids, and like 20 dumbwaiter’s in their palatial mansion.  The Le Domas family are made up of Alex’s brother, Daniel Le Domas (Adam Brody of Jennifer’s Body), father Tony (Henry Czerny), mother Becky (Andie MacDowell of Groundhog Day), and the rest. The Le Domas family are as proud as they are superstitious and cruelly witty.  Right before they consummate their marriage, Alex tells his new wife that in order to be accepted into the family she has to play a game with them at midnight. She agrees, and through a ritualistic choosing method she learns that she will be playing Hide and Seek. She soon learns that Hide and Seek is the only game you don’t want to play with the Le Domas family, as they are now going to attempt to kill her to hold up their end of a bargain with the devil that their great, great grandfather made. Ready or Not Review Ready or Not is directed by Matt Bettinelli-Olpin and Tyler Gillett, who are most notable for the underground horror favorite V/H/S. Lots of the people who worked on this film have some horror chops already, which may have some role in how well it turned out. I think most of the credit for this coming together can’t be attributed to any single source. Everyone did a great job on this movie. Truly witty banter mixed with horrendous scenes of shocking brutality punctuates, the “just another day” feel of this black comedy. The Le Domas Family out for blood! I was so impressed with this movie from the 15 minute mark and on, that I have no choice other than to score it highly. I will be watching it again the same way I watch Cabin in the Woods and Tucker and Dale vs Evil - to have fun while laughing at incredible dark comedy.  Score for Ready or Not 9/10 Spoilers for Ready or Not The movie starts with Daniel (the brother) helping to kill a guy in the family house. To be precise, a guy is clearly trying to run away from other adults, and the child Daniel outs him to everyone. They then drag the man to his doom in the “family only” room. The Family The family is made up of a bunch of rich people stereotypes, all of whom have a biting dry wit, and plenty of personal foibles. There is the: Overweight brother-in-lawMenacing auntCoked up sisterUnbearable rich kidsMan-in-charge fatherWoman-in-charge-of-man-in-charge motherUnenthusiastic but well-meaning brotherCome-from-the-streets sister-in-law Alex explains to Grace that they play a game at midnight, and it could be chess or checkers, or any game, but you don’t have to win, you just have to play.  Recent Classic Horror Movies? Check out Our Review of Evil Dead (2013) https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/05/01/evil-dead-2013-review/ I would like to take a minute to point out that the family name that she is marrying into is Le Domas - which you may know is French for, “The Dumbass”.  Hide and Seek Begins They funnel We saw Ready or Not in theaters, and while my expectations were extremely low, I can honestly say that this is one of the best new movies I’ve seen all year. It’s a dark comedy that has plenty of high stakes and tension which made for a fabulous experience.

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Watch Ready or Not

Full Movie Available for Pre-order on Amazon

Ready or Not Synopsis

Ready or Not is the story of a beautiful, young couple, Grace (Samara Weaving of The Babysitter) and Alex Le Domas (Mark O’Brien of Arrival) on their wedding day at Alex’s family estate. The Le Domas family are the heirs and proprietors of a Milton-Bradley esque board game company and are the kind of wealthy that begets butlers, maids, and like 20 dumbwaiter’s in their palatial mansion. 

Ready or Not movie poster

The Le Domas family are made up of Alex’s brother, Daniel Le Domas (Adam Brody of Jennifer’s Body), father Tony (Henry Czerny), mother Becky (Andie MacDowell of Groundhog Day), and the rest. The Le Domas family are as proud as they are superstitious and cruelly witty. 

Right
before they consummate their marriage, Alex tells his new wife that in order to
be accepted into the family she has to play a game with them at midnight. She
agrees, and through a ritualistic choosing method she learns that she will be
playing Hide and Seek. She soon learns that Hide and Seek is the only game you
don’t want to play with the Le Domas family, as they are now going to attempt
to kill her to hold up their end of a bargain with the devil that their great,
great grandfather made.

Ready or Not Review

Ready or Not is directed by Matt Bettinelli-Olpin and Tyler Gillett, who are most notable for the underground horror favorite V/H/S. Lots of the people who worked on this film have some horror chops already, which may have some role in how well it turned out. I think most of the credit for this coming together can’t be attributed to any single source. Everyone did a great job on this movie. Truly witty banter mixed with horrendous scenes of shocking brutality punctuates, the “just another day” feel of this black comedy.

The Le Domas Family out for Blood
The Le Domas Family out for blood!

I was so impressed with this movie from the 15 minute mark and on, that I have no choice other than to score it highly. I will be watching it again the same way I watch Cabin in the Woods and Tucker and Dale vs Evil – to have fun while laughing at incredible dark comedy. 

Score for Ready or Not

9/10

Spoilers for Ready or Not

The movie starts with Daniel (the
brother) helping to kill a guy in the family house. To be precise, a guy is
clearly trying to run away from other adults, and the child Daniel outs him to
everyone. They then drag the man to his doom in the “family only” room.

The Family

The family
is made up of a bunch of rich people stereotypes, all of whom have a biting dry
wit, and plenty of personal foibles. There is the:

  • Overweight brother-in-law
  • Menacing aunt
  • Coked up sister
  • Unbearable rich kids
  • Man-in-charge father
  • Woman-in-charge-of-man-in-charge mother
  • Unenthusiastic but well-meaning brother
  • Come-from-the-streets sister-in-law

Alex
explains to Grace that they play a game at midnight, and it could be chess or
checkers, or any game, but you don’t have to win, you just have to play. 

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I would
like to take a minute to point out that the family name that she is marrying
into is Le Domas – which you may know is French for, “The Dumbass”. 

Hide and Seek Begins

They funnel
the family into a private, family, only game room and proceed to tell a story
about the beginning of the Le Domas family fortune. They explain that a small
box will shuffle some cards and spit out a card with the name of the game to be
played. The box says Hide and Seek, and everyone bites their lip except Grace.

Grace is a little buzzed and gets sent off into the house to hide while the Le Domas family plays a goofy record that lasts for 100 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLm6Z3If5OU
Yay, let’s play a game!

The
soundtrack to this movie is fabulous, consisting of goofy and off-putting older
songs mixed with classical and orchestral pieces that really make Ready or Not
feel grand.

The family
arms themselves with some old-timey weapons and turns off the camera system to
pay homage to the way the game was meant to be played, and they set out to find
and sacrifice her.

Ready or Not Grace with gun
Check them kicks

One thing
that stood out to me while enjoying this movie – hide and seek works really
well for a horror premise. Besides the fact that many horror movies are made as
a big game of hide and seek, you have the inherent excitement that comes with
empathizing with the hidey…hider? You also have the tension involved with being
the seeker. The game itself works for me.

Fabulous Acting

Every bit
of acting in this movie was hammy and fun. It was a well-acted movie, and holy
hell, Samara Weaving can scream! If she isn’t the new scream queen, I will be
damned. She has that true terror in her screams that really makes the audience
shudder.

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The maids looked just like the backup dancers in the Addicted to Love Music Video

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The Stakes are High!

The first
death comes early, when the nanny goes looking for one of the kids who she was
charged with keeping in their beds while the rest of the family tries to murder
Grace. The nanny is filtering through the rooms looking for the kid, and she
stumbles into the room where Alex has just met Grace to tell her what’s going
on. Alex and Grace hide and before they know it, the coked-up sister runs in
the room and shoots the nanny in the face. Lots of gurgling ensues. Lots. Like
a lot. It’s quite funny.

Ready or Not Grace pointing Elephant gun
Oh lawd she comin

Once Grace
realizes the stakes, she panics, but also becomes a badass – ripping off parts
of her wedding dress and eventually finding an elephant gun and bandolier.

Cocaine’s a Hell of a Drug

There are
plenty of tense moments and close calls, the coked-up sister keeping
accidentally killing people who tend to gurgle a lot. It’s a super dark running
gag, and they play it up a lot.

We learn
that the Le Domas family believes that if they don’t perform the sacrifice on
Grace by dawn, they will be killed by satan for their breaking of the family
contract with him. None of the family is actually sure about it, but they all
err on the side of playing it safe…wouldn’t you? 

Throughout the Ready or Not, we see Daniel show remorse about being tied to a family who performs ritual sacrifices to Satan. Something about and as the movie draws to a close we are left on the edge of our seat as to whether he will defeat these personal demons. 

Ready or Not Grace in goat pit
At one point Grace falls into a pit of dead goats…and more…

The evil
eye aunt eventually tells the story of how Ale should be the leader of the
family, and he needs to embrace his new role as the head of the dumbasses.

What an Ending!

Toward the
end of the movie, the family has Grace on the alter and just as the pass the
sacrificial cup around and take a swig; they learn that they were poisoned by
Daniel who wants to help Grace escape. 

Alex
realizes that Grace won’t stay with him after this and even he turns on her to
save his own skin.

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As the
family converges on her, the drapes are pulled back to reveal the sun! The
family shrinks back in terror, expecting to die…but they do not. They stand
and realize that they have been wrong about the deal with the devil this whole
time. How silly of them!

Then, one
at a time, after the relief has set in, they burst like overfilled water
balloons full of blood! It’s horrendous. The aunt, boom! The dad, boom! Even
the two little kids, boom! Fabulous!

Ready or Not Grace covered in blood
Unwinding after a long night!

A first
responder comes to the now burning down house and finds Grace smoking a
cigarette on the back law and asks her, “Jesus Christ, what happened to you?!”
She slowly responds, “….., in-laws.”

Final Recommendations for Ready or Not

If you love dark humor, gore, and just really well-done movies, you should see Ready or Not. I would be surprised if this title didn’t find its place among titles like Tucker and Dale vs Evil.

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We saw Ready or Not in theaters, and while my expectations were extremely low, I can honestly say that this is one of the best new movies I’ve seen all year. It’s a dark comedy that has plenty of high stakes and tension which made for a fabulous experi... We saw Ready or Not in theaters, and while my expectations were extremely low, I can honestly say that this is one of the best new movies I’ve seen all year. It’s a dark comedy that has plenty of high stakes and tension which made for a fabulous experience.







* Skip to Intro - 0:18* Skip to Trailer - 7:20* Skip to Synopsis - 12:55* Skip to Review - 16:11* Skip to Score - 17:59* Skip to Positivicast Drama - 23:42 * Skip to Spoilers - 28:10* Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:36:21* Skip to Horror or Porno - 1:39:20* Skip to Outro - 1:52:21




https://youtu.be/ZtYTwUxhAoI
Ready or Not can be found in movie theaters now! The full movie!





Watch Ready or NotFull Movie Available for Pre-order on AmazonReady or Not











Ready or Not Synopsis



Ready or Not is the story of a beautiful, young couple, Grace (Samara Weaving of The Babysitter) and Alex Le Domas (Mark O’Brien of Arrival) on their wedding day at Alex’s family estate. The Le Domas family are the heirs and proprietors of a Milton-Bradley esque board game company and are the kind of wealthy that begets butlers, maids, and like 20 dumbwaiter’s in their palatial mansion. 







The Le Domas family are made up of Alex’s brother, Daniel Le Domas (Adam Brody of Jennifer’s Body), father Tony (Henry Czerny), mother Becky (Andie MacDowell of Groundhog Day), and the rest. The Le Domas family are as proud as they are superstitious and cruelly witty. 



Right
before they consummate their marriage, Alex tells his new wife that in order to
be accepted into the family she has to play a game with them at midnight. She
agrees, and through a ritualistic choosing method she learns that she will be
playing Hide and Seek. She soon learns that Hide and Seek is the only game you
don’t want to play with the Le Domas family, as they are now going to attempt
to kill her to hold up their end of a bargain with the devil that their great,
great grandfather made.



Ready or Not Review



Ready or Not is directed by Matt Bettinelli-Olpin and Tyler Gillett, who are most notable for the underground horror favorite V/H/S. Lots of the people who worked on this film have some horror chops already, which may have some role in how well it turned out. I think most of the credit for this coming together can’t be attributed to any single source. Everyone did a great job on this movie.]]>
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47 Meters Down: Uncaged Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/08/21/47-meters-down-uncaged-review/ Wed, 21 Aug 2019 07:01:03 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=2782 This week we are reviewing 47 Meters Down: Uncaged. This film took a great premise and solid jump scares, but still bored me for half of the film. It definitely delivers on crunchy shark action, but if you want more than on-the-nose expositional dialogue and tissue paper thin character, maybe just rewatch Jaws. Skip to Intro - 0:40Skip to Trailer - 6:20Skip to Synopsis - 7:27Skip to Review - 8:22Skip to Score - 10:01Skip to Positivicast Drama - 16:16 Skip to Spoilers - 28:10Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:07:38Skip to Taglines - 1:09:45Skip to Horror Movie News - 1:12:33Skip to Outro - 1:19:07 https://youtu.be/AvXjx8SZbv8 47 Meters Down: Uncaged Trailer 47 Meters Down: Uncaged can be found in theaters now. The full movie! 47 Meters Down: Uncaged Synopsis 47 Meters Down: Uncaged is the sequel to the 2017 film, 47 Meters Down. It is by the same director, Johannes Roberts, but an all new cast of disposable teens. The film is about four American teen girls in Mexico that go scuba diving into a secret submerged Mayan City inside underwater caves. The Mayan caves hold more than just the Mayan version of the terracotta warriors, it also contains deadly albino Great White Sharks! The sharks are blind, but that presents no problem for them, since their other senses are heightened, and these basic bitches keep screaming and clamoring about. With their air supply dwindling in the claustrophobic space, the girls and others get picked off one by one by the insatiable eating machines as they try to make their way out. Watch 47 Meters Down: Uncaged47 Meters Down: Uncaged Full MovieStream On Amazon Review of 47 Meters Down: Uncaged This movie has a lot going for it. It has a great premise, plenty of quality jump scares, and delivers on the promise of brutal shark attacks. For me though, all of this is undercut by a boring, paint-by-numbers, super on-the-nose script. Much like The Meg, 47 Meters Down: Uncaged has a script that is obviously simplified so that it is easier to translate for international audiences. What the script doesn’t contain is a character that I care about, or any interesting dialogue. The strength of the film is the design of the sharks and the shark attack sequences. The action sequences are visceral and come fast and sudden. Also, Quenton Tarantino would probably be a big fan of this movie since about 1/5 of it is devoted to close ups of women's feet kicking towards the camera. In the end, I was cheering for the sharks to kill everyone, because at least that ending would make it interesting. This isn’t a movie that I would recommend running to the theater for, but if you want to see a movie about sharks eating people, then you will definitely enjoy this. While I did enjoy some moments in this film, I was checking my watch any time that someone wasn’t getting eaten by a shark. It’s not terrible, but it’s also not very good. Score for 47 Meters Down: Uncaged 4/10 If you like horror movies based in Mexico, check out our review of The Ruins: https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/05/08/the-ruins-movie-review/ Spoilers for 47 Meters Down: Uncaged Expand for Spoilers One of the features of this film is the weird soundtrack. It's an amalgamation of 80's pop music juxtaposed with an atmospheric electronic score. Which would be fine, but when you see a young black man absolutely rocking to an INXS song, it tends to distract. The Opening The opening of the film features the main character, Mia, played by Sophie Nélisse, being pushed into a pool by some stereotypical mean girls. The setting is in Mexico on the Yucatan peninsula, but there is nary a Mexican to be seen, nor Spanish to be uttered. This is one of the many things in the movie that never get explained. Check Out Our Review of Tusk https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/18/tusk-review/ We find out that Mia's Sister Sasha, played by Corrine Foxx, This week we are reviewing 47 Meters Down: Uncaged. This film took a great premise and solid jump scares, but still bored me for half of the film. It definitely delivers on crunchy shark action, but if you want more than on-the-nose expositional dialogue and tissue paper thin character, maybe just rewatch Jaws.

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47 Meters Down: Uncaged Trailer

47 Meters Down: Uncaged can be found in theaters now. The full movie!

47 Meters Down: Uncaged Synopsis

47 Meters Down: Uncaged is the sequel to the 2017 film, 47 Meters Down. It is by the same director, Johannes Roberts, but an all new cast of disposable teens.

47 Meters Down Uncaged movie poster

The film is about four American teen girls in Mexico that go scuba diving into a secret submerged Mayan City inside underwater caves. The Mayan caves hold more than just the Mayan version of the terracotta warriors, it also contains deadly albino Great White Sharks! The sharks are blind, but that presents no problem for them, since their other senses are heightened, and these basic bitches keep screaming and clamoring about. With their air supply dwindling in the claustrophobic space, the girls and others get picked off one by one by the insatiable eating machines as they try to make their way out.

Watch 47 Meters Down: Uncaged

47 Meters Down: Uncaged Full Movie

Review of 47 Meters Down: Uncaged

This movie has a lot going for it. It has a great premise, plenty of quality jump scares, and delivers on the promise of brutal shark attacks. For me though, all of this is undercut by a boring, paint-by-numbers, super on-the-nose script. Much like The Meg, 47 Meters Down: Uncaged has a script that is obviously simplified so that it is easier to translate for international audiences.

What the script doesn’t contain is a character that I care about, or any interesting dialogue.

The strength of the film is the design of the sharks and the shark attack sequences. The action sequences are visceral and come fast and sudden.

Also, Quenton Tarantino would probably be a big fan of this movie since about 1/5 of it is devoted to close ups of women’s feet kicking towards the camera.

In the end, I was cheering for the sharks to kill everyone, because at least that ending would make it interesting. This isn’t a movie that I would recommend running to the theater for, but if you want to see a movie about sharks eating people, then you will definitely enjoy this. While I did enjoy some moments in this film, I was checking my watch any time that someone wasn’t getting eaten by a shark. It’s not terrible, but it’s also not very good.

Score for 47 Meters Down: Uncaged

4/10

If you like horror movies based in Mexico, check out our review of The Ruins:

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/05/08/the-ruins-movie-review/

Spoilers for 47 Meters Down: Uncaged

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One of the features of this film is the weird soundtrack. It’s an amalgamation of 80’s pop music juxtaposed with an atmospheric electronic score. Which would be fine, but when you see a young black man absolutely rocking to an INXS song, it tends to distract.

The Opening

The opening of the film features the main character, Mia, played by Sophie Nélisse, being pushed into a pool by some stereotypical mean girls.

The setting is in Mexico on the Yucatan peninsula, but there is nary a Mexican to be seen, nor Spanish to be uttered. This is one of the many things in the movie that never get explained.

Check Out Our Review of Tusk

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/18/tusk-review/

We find out that Mia’s Sister Sasha, played by Corrine Foxx, isn’t a big fan of Mia, because reasons.

Their dad is an underwater archaeologist(?) that just made a new discovery. He can’t spend time with Mia because he needs to set up the new site, so he gets them tickets to a glass bottom boat ride to see sharks feed.

A Fateful Decision

Mia and Corrine ditch the boat ride with the mean girls and instead go with two of Sasha’s friends, Alexa (Brianne Tju) and Nicole (Sistine Rose Stallone) to a secret lake.

Sasha and friends inviting Mia to go with them in 47 Meters Down: Uncaged.
Come oooooooon!

They discover scuba equipment meant for the archaelogist and decide to dive to see the sunken Mayan City.

Why is the Mayan City under 47 Meters of water, you ask? Don’t!

Albino Shark Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo…

The Mayan City is barely explored by the girls or the script before they start getting eaten by giant blind albino great white sharks.

Mostly the people that get eaten are the ones that the girls meet at regular intervals. Finally when they find Mia’s father, he takes them to the surface and shows them a rope to climb up.

The sharks show up soon after and start attacking before the first girl can climb up. When Corrine tries to clambor up,the rope breaks.

Pause.

The rope breaks from the weight of two skinny teen girls.

This is the caliber of script we are dealing with.

hanging on the climbing rope in 47 Meters Down Uncaged

The Ending of 47 Meters Down: Uncaged Explained

The film ends with Mia and Sasha, the last survivors, finding their way to the glass bottom boat and getting saved. But not before getting bitten by regular, non-albino great white sharks. Mia, in a constructed badass moment, stabs the shark biting her with a sharks tooth she was carrying.

In an attempt to communicate a non-existent character arch, Mia shares a look with the lead mean girl. But the moment carries the same amount of gravity as a feather on the moon.

Final Recommendations for 47 Meters Down: Uncaged

If you want to see sharks eat people and you really don’t care about anything else, this is the movie for you.

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This week we are reviewing 47 Meters Down: Uncaged. This film took a great premise and solid jump scares, but still bored me for half of the film. It definitely delivers on crunchy shark action, but if you want more than on-the-nose expositional dialog... This week we are reviewing 47 Meters Down: Uncaged. This film took a great premise and solid jump scares, but still bored me for half of the film. It definitely delivers on crunchy shark action, but if you want more than on-the-nose expositional dialogue and tissue paper thin character, maybe just rewatch Jaws.







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https://youtu.be/AvXjx8SZbv8
47 Meters Down: Uncaged Trailer



47 Meters Down: Uncaged can be found in theaters now. The full movie!



47 Meters Down: Uncaged Synopsis



47 Meters Down: Uncaged is the sequel to the 2017 film, 47 Meters Down. It is by the same director, Johannes Roberts, but an all new cast of disposable teens.







The film is about four American teen girls in Mexico that go scuba diving into a secret submerged Mayan City inside underwater caves. The Mayan caves hold more than just the Mayan version of the terracotta warriors, it also contains deadly albino Great White Sharks! The sharks are blind, but that presents no problem for them, since their other senses are heightened, and these basic bitches keep screaming and clamoring about. With their air supply dwindling in the claustrophobic space, the girls and others get picked off one by one by the insatiable eating machines as they try to make their way out.





Watch 47 Meters Down: Uncaged47 Meters Down: Uncaged Full MovieStream On Amazon











Review of 47 Meters Down: Uncaged



This movie has a lot going for it. It has a great premise, plenty of quality jump scares, and delivers on the promise of brutal shark attacks. For me though, all of this is undercut by a boring, paint-by-numbers, super on-the-nose script. Much like The Meg, 47 Meters Down: Uncaged has a script that is obviously simplified so that it is easier to translate for international audiences.



What the script doesn’t contain is a character that I care about, or any interesting dialogue.



The strength of the film is the design of the sharks and the shark attack sequences. The action sequences are visceral and come fast and sudden.



Also, Quenton Tarantino would probably be a big fan of this movie since about 1/5 of it is devoted to close ups of women's feet kicking towards the camera.



In the end, I was cheering for the sharks to kill everyone, because at least that ending would make it interesting.]]>
Bryce Hanson and David Day yes 1:21:04
Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Review https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/08/14/scary-stories-to-tell-in-the-dark-review/ Wed, 14 Aug 2019 07:01:34 +0000 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/?p=2762 We went and saw Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, and it was average with a smile. Skip to Intro - 1:01Skip to Trailer - 9:32Skip to Synopsis - 12:00Skip to Review - 14:00Skip to Score - 21:35 Skip to Spoilers - 26:57Skip to Final Recommendations - 1:01:20 Skip to It Came from Social Media - 1:03:34Skip to Taglines - 1:06:42Skip to Outro - 1:15:56 Those ingrown hairs make for the best pops! Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Trailer https://youtu.be/A11tX8iu0zQ Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Synopsis Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark is a movie about four stereotypical kids (Stella (Zoe Margaret Colletti), Ramon (Michael Garza), Auggie (Gabriel Rush), and Chuck (Austin Zajur))who enter a haunted house on Halloween and find a book that has more scary stories than they bargained for! As the teens fight bullies and work their way through early November, they begin to realize that the book they took from the house is haunted, and the spirit that haunts it has a penchant for writing scary stories about the teens and their acquaintances that always come true. Watch Scary Stories to Tell in the DarkScary Stories to Tell in the Dark Full MovieClick here to Watch As the teens wrestle with teen hood and their own demons, they are forced to come to terms with the reality that this book and the woman who wrote it are trying to kill them in scary story ways. There are lots of chases, jumpscares, racist cops, and nostalgic feels to be had in Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. It even culminates in exactly the way you might think it would, which we will mention in the spoilers section. The Boo Book Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark is a movie loosely based around the 1981 book of short stories of the same name, which spawned two other books. More Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (1984), and Scary Stories 3: More Tales To Chill Your Bones (1991).  All three books are available for purchase on Amazon for a pretty good steal, and they still hold up. Want To See Short Stories Done Right? Creepshow Review! https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/01/30/creepshow-1982-review/ Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Review The movie takes some of the stories and ideas from the books and throws them together into a mashup of jumpscares and dark sets. The screenplay was adapted from a screen story written by Guillermo del Toro and rewritten by Dan Hageman and Kevin Hageman, who, I feel may have done it less service than del Toro might have. While Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark wasn’t terrible, it was only a little bit more interesting than average. The plot made sense, the acting was on point, the production was pretty good. It’s nothing to write home about, and the payoffs are completely underwhelming. The nostalgia was nice, but isn’t it always? Maybe that’s what makes these nostalgia grabs so offensive, it works every time, and it’s so low effort - but I guess you could say the same thing about jumpscares, and I love those. Score for Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark 6/10 Wanna See a Fun Summer Blockbuster? Check Out Our Review of The Meg! https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2018/08/24/the-meg/ Spoilers for Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark The movie starts with a bully who says, “Let’s go scare some kiddies tonight, guys!” This is, perhaps, the goofiest line I can think of and teed off the movie well.  The main bully, Tommy (Austin Abrams), is the least assuming bully on the planet, small in stature, slight of build, fair of complexion, and is constantly drunk and rattling off goofy lines like this. It’s a joy to behold, and one of those touches that makes it goofy and real at the same time. Dean Norris is the only cast member you might recognize in this movie, and he is a great actor, who plays the main character’s (Stella) dad. The only problem with this is anytime I see Dean Norris I just think, “They’re not rocks, they’re minerals, Marie!” If We went and saw Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, and it was average with a smile.

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Those ingrown hairs make for the best pops!

Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Trailer

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Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Synopsis

Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark is a movie about four stereotypical kids (Stella (Zoe Margaret Colletti), Ramon (Michael Garza), Auggie (Gabriel Rush), and Chuck (Austin Zajur))who enter a haunted house on Halloween and find a book that has more scary stories than they bargained for! As the teens fight bullies and work their way through early November, they begin to realize that the book they took from the house is haunted, and the spirit that haunts it has a penchant for writing scary stories about the teens and their acquaintances that always come true.

Watch Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark

Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Full Movie

As the teens wrestle with teen hood and their own demons, they are forced to come to terms with the reality that this book and the woman who wrote it are trying to kill them in scary story ways. There are lots of chases, jumpscares, racist cops, and nostalgic feels to be had in Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. It even culminates in exactly the way you might think it would, which we will mention in the spoilers section.

The book from Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark
The Boo Book

Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark is a movie loosely based around the 1981 book of short stories of the same name, which spawned two other books. More Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (1984), and Scary Stories 3: More Tales To Chill Your Bones (1991). 

All three
books are available for purchase on Amazon for a pretty good steal, and they still hold up.

Want To See Short Stories Done Right? Creepshow Review!

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/01/30/creepshow-1982-review/

Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Review

The movie takes some of the stories and ideas from the books and throws them together into a mashup of jumpscares and dark sets. The screenplay was adapted from a screen story written by Guillermo del Toro and rewritten by Dan Hageman and Kevin Hageman, who, I feel may have done it less service than del Toro might have.

While Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark wasn’t terrible, it was only a little bit more interesting than average. The plot made sense, the acting was on point, the production was pretty good. It’s nothing to write home about, and the payoffs are completely underwhelming. The nostalgia was nice, but isn’t it always? Maybe that’s what makes these nostalgia grabs so offensive, it works every time, and it’s so low effort – but I guess you could say the same thing about jumpscares, and I love those.

Score for Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark

6/10

Wanna See a Fun Summer Blockbuster? Check Out Our Review of The Meg!

https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2018/08/24/the-meg/

Spoilers for Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark

The movie starts with a bully who
says, “Let’s go scare some kiddies tonight, guys!” This is, perhaps, the
goofiest line I can think of and teed off the movie well. 

The main
bully, Tommy (Austin Abrams), is the least assuming bully on the planet,
small in stature, slight of build, fair of complexion, and is constantly drunk
and rattling off goofy lines like this. It’s a joy to behold, and one of those
touches that makes it goofy and real at the same time.

Dean Norris is the only cast member you might recognize in
this movie, and he is a great actor, who plays the main character’s (Stella)
dad. The only problem with this is anytime I see Dean Norris I just think, “They’re not rocks, they’re minerals, Marie!” If
you play the main detective in Breaking Bad, you ARE the main detective from Breaking Bad.
Which makes me feel sorry for Dean, but at the same time, “Jizzus Christ,
Marie!”

https://youtu.be/yDVIrp8XaWI
I’ve got some geodes coming!
I just love this.

There are a few different spooks going on in Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, so I will try to lay them out for you in a way that doesn’t ramble as much as the movie does. Keep in mind; this is the spoilers section:

Harold the Scarecrow

Harold is the fattest, ugliest, most desiccated corpse of a scarecrow I have ever seen in my life. I’m not sure, but Harold may be the dead body of Tommy’s (the bully) stepdad, whom Tommy hated very much. There is no backstory here; there is only Tommy beating Harold constantly with a bat and beer bottles to impress his friends? Harold has his revenge on Tommy by turning the cornfield into an endless maze and stabbing Tommy with a pitchfork that gives Tommy straw man syndrome. The effects of straw man syndrome include coughing up hay, having hay come out of your fingers, and hay fever. If not cured, the patient will become a scarecrow.

Harold the Scarecrow
Just hanging out with Harold

Sarah Bellows, author of the Scary Stories Book

Sarah was part of the Bellows family, the founding family of Mill Valley, PA. She was also a little different, and therefore the shame of her family, tortured and experimented on by her brothers, left in a dark room and generally mistreated. She wrote and haunted the book that our protagonists found and causes all of the mischief and murders in the movie.

The Toe Lady

The Toe Lady is basically a corpse who had some of her body parts inserted into Auggies chili/stew by Sarah Bellows writing. As Auggie takes a bite, he notices what he is chewing on is the big toe of the Toe Lady. Auggies is pulled under his bed by the Toe Lady and never seen again.

Toe Lady
Miss placing a toe is so common

The Red Spot

Chuck’s sister finds what looks like a pimple on her cheek before a date with Tommy, the jerk. A few days later, right before she is going on at a school play, she attempts to fiddle with it, and spiders come gushing out of her face. The others react quickly enough that she manages only to be placed in a mental hospital instead of winding up dead.

The Red Room

When the teens decide to find out more about Sarah bellows to hopefully save their skin, it’s Chuck’s turn to go. Chuck finds himself in a lockdown situation in the insane asylum. A strange-looking girl who looks and acts like something straight out of a Studio Ghibli movie walks at him down long corridors. Everywhere he turns, she is there. Four of her converge on him until one of the girls envelops him in her crazy folds.

Red Room insane lady
Who needs a hug?!

The Jangly Man

The heavy hitter of this movie is the body horror fiend known as The Jangly Man. Senior Jangles, as he likes to be called is a contorting, crunching, body morphing, horror that possesses the ability to fall apart limb from limb and reconfigure himself at will. This guy is after Ramon, and boy is he spoopy.

Mr. Bo Jangles

In the end,
the two remaining teens, Stella and Ramon manage to make it out thanks to
Stella’s quick thinking. She manages to convince Sarah’s ghost that she will
write her story for her. Oh yeah, Stella’s a writer… So there’s that.

Final recommendations

While Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark wasn’t bad, it wasn’t great. It was pretty by the books. Its the movie you would write if you were tasked with writing a movie based on the book, Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. If that sounds like fun to you, give it a whirl, otherwise meh.

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Those ingrown hairs make for the best pops!



Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Trailer




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Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Synopsis



Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark is a movie about four stereotypical kids (Stella (Zoe Margaret Colletti), Ramon (